1st off...I am a fan of both...different flavor than boxing...but still combative.
Dana White has been pretty successful and so has MMA (UFC to be more specific) since Dana took the reigns....what if he decides to do both....take care of UFC and become a boxing promoter? Are there any rules against that decision? Would any boxing fans be put off by his decision? Would boxing lose fans/gain fans?
:Thinkingo
I for one say let him try it...he is good at giving the fans what they want....and if his fighters don't perform, he'll rip them a new one (Spider Silva).
Thoughts?
For someone who thinks that these writers are a bunch of nobodies you sure do know alot about them....maybe you should apply to be a writer/analyst for combat sports and you can do a much better job? And maybe people will post quotes from your articles.....
Great argument dude.
You can believe whatever horseshit you like.
LOL at you guys praising another Rossen boxing hit job (he writes one every few months, two straight weeks now). He is a POS phony journalist. You guys embarrass me as an MMA/boxing fan to even post that shit.
He is so full of it....guess what happened a year ago....Rampage 'ducked' Machida, and now a year and a half later the fight will happen as a PPV headliner while both are coming of a loss (its still a good fight). A year from now Mayweather-Pac will happen and it will out gross any UFC PPV 3-1, in a year the Jr Welterweights will all fight, Haye-Klit will all fight. Rossen picked the worst possible example to praise MMA, Rampage just 6 months ago was trashing the whole sport, his boss and trying to retire (this was the headline of the article btw which you quoted).
Even MMA fans outright hate Jake Rossen.
All of the MMA media is a complete joke, they are all a bunch of MMA bloggers who suck ZUFFA dick. Every monthly PPV is the best since forever, they never ask any hard questions or else they will be banned from all contact with the UFC, and ironically sherdog and Rossen are currently banned from attending UFC pressers but still suck up to them in a desperate attempt to get back in.
No mention about the #1 heavyweight not being allowed to compete against UFC contracted fighters for years, no mention that they outright refuse any notion of co-promotion. That other MMA shill, Kevin Iole, wrote a whole article about how boxing NEEDS to co-promote and work together but he defends the UFCs practice. While the other douche from Yahoo sports (Colfield) constant blogs about boxing dying with White's comments made the front page of Yahoo right now!!!!
Rossen admitted in a past article that he had not watched any boxing matches since Lewis-Tyson....and you take his opinions seriously?
Since when does finding an article interesting = praising?
For someone who thinks that these writers are a bunch of nobodies you sure do know alot about them....maybe you should apply to be a writer/analyst for combat sports and you can do a much better job? And maybe people will post quotes from your articles.....
"The UFC's business model -- where brand is king and fighters go through the turnstile -- has done an incredible thing: It's taken the ego out of fighting. There is no opportunity to emulate Floyd Mayweather, who enjoys manipulating his business and his fans like marionettes. If you're offered a fight, you take it. If you don't like it, you can sit and spin until you wise up. It's how athletes wind up with 16-7 records. There's no padding; every fight is against a killer. It's the league approach. The AFC champions don't sit down to negotiate a deal to meet the NFC in the Super Bowl. They just do it.
Can you imagine a situation in which Brock Lesnar spends nearly two years hammering out a deal to fight Cain Velasquez? Or if Velasquez fought Lesnar only if he agreed to Olympic-style drug testing?
In the context of MMA and the climate the UFC has provided, it would be absurd. The sport has created an environment where everyone fights anyone, regardless of how protective someone feels about his record or reputation. The inmates do not run the asylum.
Ironically, this was boxing's MO 60 years ago. The good fights happened when audiences were ready for them. Today, careers aren't made so much as manipulated. There's no organization with any level of authority over fighters, which is why Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao can get bogged down in levels of bureaucracy that smothers interest. Will fans buy their next respective fights? Probably. Will any of them prefer them over a Mayweather-Pacquiao showdown? Hardly.
This degree of control is not necessarily good for athletes, particularly when they feel pressure to fight hurt or take bouts outside their pay grade. (It's safe to say Velasquez won't make nearly as much for the Lesnar bout as Lesnar will, a far cry from the constant arguing over even purse splits in boxing.) Fighters have become cattle, their careers steered by forces with a primary interest in making money first and coddling second.
The UFC may not be a managerial entity, but it's effectively their role in booking fights. Jon Jones is being brought up slowly; Jackson is thrown to the wolves. The actual managers are left to negotiate sponsorship deals and fax contracts. Say "no" to the UFC enough times and watch what happens.
It would be nice to champion fighters' rights and moan that promotions have too much power -- but the alternative is boxing's chaotic mess of a business. These fighters fight. Boxers talk. And fans aren't listening."
- Interesting......
LOL at you guys praising another Rossen boxing hit job (he writes one every few months, two straight weeks now). He is a POS phony journalist. You guys embarrass me as an MMA/boxing fan to even post that shit.
He is so full of it....guess what happened a year ago....Rampage 'ducked' Machida, and now a year and a half later the fight will happen as a PPV headliner while both are coming of a loss (its still a good fight). A year from now Mayweather-Pac will happen and it will out gross any UFC PPV 3-1, in a year the Jr Welterweights will all fight, Haye-Klit will all fight. Rossen picked the worst possible example to praise MMA, Rampage just 6 months ago was trashing the whole sport, his boss and trying to retire (this was the headline of the article btw which you quoted).
Even MMA fans outright hate Jake Rossen.
All of the MMA media is a complete joke, they are all a bunch of MMA bloggers who suck ZUFFA dick. Every monthly PPV is the best since forever, they never ask any hard questions or else they will be banned from all contact with the UFC, and ironically sherdog and Rossen are currently banned from attending UFC pressers but still suck up to them in a desperate attempt to get back in.
No mention about the #1 heavyweight not being allowed to compete against UFC contracted fighters for years, no mention that they outright refuse any notion of co-promotion. That other MMA shill, Kevin Iole, wrote a whole article about how boxing NEEDS to co-promote and work together but he defends the UFCs practice. While the other douche from Yahoo sports (Colfield) constant blogs about boxing dying with White's comments made the front page of Yahoo right now!!!!
Rossen admitted in a past article that he had not watched any boxing matches since Lewis-Tyson....and you take his opinions seriously?
Boxing generates so much more money than UFC I think Dana White would become corrupt just like most people have. Yall must understand I believe some of these people really do have integrity but when you are constantly bombarded with high priced under the table pay offs eventually most people will take the money or they will leave that job and a corrupt person usually follows and gets that job next.
Dana White cares about his own pockets, not the sport. UFC fighters are severely underpaid for what they do and the numbers they generate.
That's not the point, the question was "what would happen if Dana White became a promoter in boxing"...
If you want to talk about money, that's another story. I would agree boxers get paid much more money than MMA fighters but there is a reason MMA has grown so much in popularity over the last decade.
A big part of that is because of the marketing genius of Dana White. Look, I don't know the man personally but everytime i hear him in some interview with Dan Lebatard, he comes off as honest and to the point as I have ever heard anyone in that line of business.
He wants to make money, of course that's the bottom line but he also understands to make money it's about pleasing the paying customer. He doesn't want to short change the fan or even the fighter.
How many times has he paid out bonuses because a fighter put on a good show, or extended a contract to a fighter even when he lost the final in the Ultimate Fighter tourney? He's even criticized fighters like Anderson Silva for clowning in the ring and punished other fighters for doing the same thing.
White may not be perfect but at least he's real. Arum and King are single handedly responsible for destroying boxing over the years. When is the last time we paid for a good Boxing PPV that featured 3,4,5 really good fights on there?
it's always some BS ass fights with only the main card being worth while, basically we are paying $50 for ONE fukin fight.
Fuk Bob Arum, Fuk Don King and even Fuk Oscar DeLa Hoya if he's going to follow in their corrupt ass ways. He said he wouldn't and I'm hoping DLH can turn this shit industry around.
I love boxing with all my heart but I hate the business aspect of it, it's one of the most corrupt things in all of pro sports.
UFC has not implemented the "middle-man" as of yet...
That is one of boxings biggest problems when it comes to match making... The damn middle man ie. Arum, King, Shaeffer, ellerbe etc etc...
o, and solid article!!
"The UFC's business model -- where brand is king and fighters go through the turnstile -- has done an incredible thing: It's taken the ego out of fighting. There is no opportunity to emulate Floyd Mayweather, who enjoys manipulating his business and his fans like marionettes. If you're offered a fight, you take it. If you don't like it, you can sit and spin until you wise up. It's how athletes wind up with 16-7 records. There's no padding; every fight is against a killer. It's the league approach. The AFC champions don't sit down to negotiate a deal to meet the NFC in the Super Bowl. They just do it.
Can you imagine a situation in which Brock Lesnar spends nearly two years hammering out a deal to fight Cain Velasquez? Or if Velasquez fought Lesnar only if he agreed to Olympic-style drug testing?
In the context of MMA and the climate the UFC has provided, it would be absurd. The sport has created an environment where everyone fights anyone, regardless of how protective someone feels about his record or reputation. The inmates do not run the asylum.
Ironically, this was boxing's MO 60 years ago. The good fights happened when audiences were ready for them. Today, careers aren't made so much as manipulated. There's no organization with any level of authority over fighters, which is why Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao can get bogged down in levels of bureaucracy that smothers interest. Will fans buy their next respective fights? Probably. Will any of them prefer them over a Mayweather-Pacquiao showdown? Hardly.
This degree of control is not necessarily good for athletes, particularly when they feel pressure to fight hurt or take bouts outside their pay grade. (It's safe to say Velasquez won't make nearly as much for the Lesnar bout as Lesnar will, a far cry from the constant arguing over even purse splits in boxing.) Fighters have become cattle, their careers steered by forces with a primary interest in making money first and coddling second.
The UFC may not be a managerial entity, but it's effectively their role in booking fights. Jon Jones is being brought up slowly; Jackson is thrown to the wolves. The actual managers are left to negotiate sponsorship deals and fax contracts. Say "no" to the UFC enough times and watch what happens.
It would be nice to champion fighters' rights and moan that promotions have too much power -- but the alternative is boxing's chaotic mess of a business. These fighters fight. Boxers talk. And fans aren't listening."
- Interesting......
Love the back and forth going on here guys....thanks for some of the inside info on Mr. White....you can only read about a guy so much (Wiki) and from media outlets....always best to get other peoples un-biased opinions....unlike other topics.
He'd create the Ultimate Boxing Championship belt which only fighters working for his promotion would have a shot at. He'd pretty much be running a monopoly, the fighters would be screwed.
That seems to be the problem in boxing though, isn't it?
I wish boxing had a Dana White, someone who actually gave a fuk about the sports instead of bleeding the fighters and not giving a shit.
I have heard a lot of interviews with Dana White and I'm a big fan of the man, he really cares about the sport and is as honest as you will find in someone of his position.
Of course he wouldn't have the level of success he would in boxing because of the other promoters and he understood that, that's why he jumped on the UFC.
Boxing needs a governing body, something that can cut through all this bullshit and make the fights that the fans want to see without having to deal with the Bob Arums of the world.
Dana White cares about his own pockets, not the sport. UFC fighters are severely underpaid for what they do and the numbers they generate.
No he won't. He'll be a single promoter with his own fighters. Nothing will change.
but if he owned boxing and every fighter like he does in UFC it would happen. they are marketing geniuses :alcoholic
the sport would be more exciting
fights we really want would be made
he would revive the HW division like he did in MMA
No he won't. He'll be a single promoter with his own fighters. Nothing will change.
Nothing.
Dana White owns the UFC. Every fighter that fights for UFC is controlled by Dana White. That means he can make any fight he wants.
In boxing is different. It's just not one person who owns boxing. It's promoters. GBP, Top Rank, Don King, Dan Gossen, Lou Dibella, etc.
Try and see if you can get Dana White to get one of his fighters to fight with a Strikeforce fighter. It won't happen unless the SF fighter comes to the UFC.
I thought he started out as a boxing promoter. Most people don't know that, so that tells you how successful he was.
You guys think Arum is bad. If Dana became a promoter, his fighters would get only 27% and he would get the rest. Isn't that what's going on in the UFC right now? Shane Carwin getting $40,000 for a heavyweight title main event. BS. Pac and Mayweather make more than every fighter on one UFC card put together.
He would do pretty bad in boxing, or at best as good as one of the best promoters in boxing. That's it.
The reason he's successfull in the UFC is because he can dictate everything. Totally different in boxing when you cant dictate shit.
This. If a situation occurred where he started getting too big for his own boots other promoters would freeze him out.
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