Everybody talks about they know about boxing, in and out of the ring..
I think roach said something that pacquiao makes a lot of misktakes { im not sure, dont bash me if im wrong :bottle: }
Has anybody seen any mistakes in pacs style?
I'll tell you what I would have agreed with you as far as the argument pac just needs to hurt Mayweather until the Mosley fight. I was surprised and impressed that Mayweather recovered so quickly from those two bombs and that it did not deter him one bit. In fact he became quite a bit more aggressive, for Floyd's standards, and was actually walking Mosley down. Initiating the fight.
that would be interesting if pac would be able to hurt pbf.. if pbf brawls with pac, pac's chance of winning would be bigger..
a defensive floyd have a better chance of winning against pac versus an aggressive floyd.
Bullshit
Marquez MOST effective punches were pot shots, single shot right hand counters, and 2 hit combos. Whenever he threw the combo the first punch would be used as a distraction to set up the mean blow coming after. Mayweather doesn't need to use combos as much since he's a much more accurate sharpshooter.
Marquez would OCCASIONALLY throw 3 punch combos which weren't always effective. As a matter of fact his combo punching is the reason he lost the damn fight; manny managed to catch him in the middle of a combo and knocked him down. That one point made him lose.
The best punches that night were all in Mayweather fashion.
that potshotting didn't earn him the win either.. :banana:
JMM's combination was the one that always caught pac, are we talking about the same fight? pac's more vulnerable when in retreat.. just be ready for his hayemaker though.. :lol1:
Everyone makes mistakes in the ring, including Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Ex: 2nd round of Mosley fight.
It's all about who makes the more costly mistakes rather than who makes the most mistakes.
I think he does it when he's blown his load and needs a breather.. he just needs to catch his breath and can't run so he just stands there and takes it til he can recover.
It may look easy but fighting the way pac fights is unbelievably demanding.
yeah he never did it at the lower weights when he was throwing punches like crazy.
he didn't do it against de la hoya since he was potshotting, conserving energy i guess.
but at the higher weights, throwing punches toe to toe must be tiring him out.
it's nothing a little extra a-side meth won't fix though. :hijacked:
Bullshit
Marquez MOST effective punches were pot shots, single shot right hand counters, and 2 hit combos. Whenever he threw the combo the first punch would be used as a distraction to set up the mean blow coming after. Mayweather doesn't need to use combos as much since he's a much more accurate sharpshooter.
Marquez would OCCASIONALLY throw 3 punch combos which weren't always effective. As a matter of fact his combo punching is the reason he lost the damn fight; manny managed to catch him in the middle of a combo and knocked him down. That one point made him lose.
The best punches that night were all in Mayweather fashion.
Nice post Grandpa! Never thought Id type that on here!
:lol1: I don't think anyone can outlanding him in Boxing today. But Manny can land enough to convincingly get a UD or SD. All he has to do is hurt Floyd enough to keep him defensive for the rest of the rounds. If he can do that, regardless if Floyd outlanding him, he would get a UD or SD. He have to do it in way that Floyd won't be able to counter him in return.
I'll tell you what I would have agreed with you as far as the argument pac just needs to hurt Mayweather until the Mosley fight. I was surprised and impressed that Mayweather recovered so quickly from those two bombs and that it did not deter him one bit. In fact he became quite a bit more aggressive, for Floyd's standards, and was actually walking Mosley down. Initiating the fight.
outpunching floyd is no big task but outlanding him, it would be freezing somewhere in florida.. :lol1:
:lol1: I don't think anyone can outlanding him in Boxing today. But Manny can land enough to convincingly get a UD or SD. All he has to do is hurt Floyd enough to keep him defensive for the rest of the rounds. If he can do that, regardless if Floyd outlanding him, he would get a UD or SD. He have to do it in way that Floyd won't be able to counter him in return.
I think Pac's chance is to knock him as quick as he did Hatton. Otherwise, i don't see him beating Floyd to a UD or SD. I don't remember the last opponent who has landed 100+ punches total punches on Floyd. I know compubox is pointless, but in order for Manny to take a UD or SD over Floyd, he's gonna have to land 100+ punches or keeping Floyd on defensive mode for the rest of the rounds.
outpunching floyd is no big task but outlanding him, it would be freezing somewhere in florida.. :lol1:
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Marquez wasn't throwing as many combos as you try to make it out to be. He averaged 43 per a round which is only 3 more than what Floyd usually does a round.
Marquez was forced to throw combos at certain points because he didn't have enough skills to completely avoid trading with manny, so he was forced to go on the offensive to protect himself.
His most effective punches came from potshots, single shot counters, and two hit combos. All things that Mayweather excels at.
JMM counters in combo everytime he landed clean on his first shot..
don't be fooled by the punch stats. :nonono:
It's hard to say Pac makes "mistakes" in the sense that it hurts him in the way he fights.
Pac I would say is a very unorthodox fighter and if you want to learn how to box, DO NOT COPY PACQUAIO.
He doesn't make mistakes in that, it's his style and his awkwardness is what catches opponents. Of course his speed and power make up for whatever technical mistakes he makes and I think the prime example of that was against JMM twice. JMM adjusted to him and showed he's the better technical fighter and it was technicality vs speed and power.
JMM caught him in ways we have yet to see in Pac's prime and that's because JMM's style and ability to counter punch. This is why I think Mayweather beats him because Mayweather is a bigger, faster version of JMM who fights much more careful.
JMM have found success on his counter-punching because he throws them precisely and in bunches..
pbf on the other hand counters with one or two shots only. he needs to have the heart of juan to have the same success as him..
Temoc is dead on here. Floyd will chop pac up and I would not be surprised to see an early stoppage, especially if Floyd hurts Manny early and forces him to fight with caution. Why you think Arum isn't pushing for this fight? We will probably see Margarito get crushed by Pac, then Pac will fight Chavez jr in Mexico City then Pac will fight Cotto. I dont see Mayweather vs Pac happenin because of the way each guy matches up.
Everybody talks about they know about boxing, in and out of the ring..
I think roach said something that pacquiao makes a lot of misktakes { im not sure, dont bash me if im wrong :bottle: }
Has anybody seen any mistakes in pacs style?
NO. per the PacRoidholics, he is God.
no doubt about that bro, pbf's defense is way way better than marquez. he's a precautionary fighter that can't be hit easily. the reason why he seldom punch in bunches coz its the only time you can hit him clean. pbf in a chess match would UD pac, no doubt... pacs only chance is for PBF to brawl with him which i think won't be possible..
I think Pac's chance is to knock him as quick as he did Hatton. Otherwise, i don't see him beating Floyd to a UD or SD. I don't remember the last opponent who has landed 100+ punches total punches on Floyd. I know compubox is pointless, but in order for Manny to take a UD or SD over Floyd, he's gonna have to land 100+ punches or keeping Floyd on defensive mode for the rest of the rounds.
i think Pac has great ideas on offense, and that has been enough to get him where he is, but the truth is he hasnt had to change. He really hasnt had to adapt to a different style. He's faced fighters who have more things in common than not. the mental part of his game to me has not improved. like i said he may not have to, but im sure we are all curious to see what happens when his offense is shutdown, and he finds himself behind on the scorecards.
But, PBF has better defense. He'll throw lesser punches, but he'll get hit lesser than Marquez did.
no doubt about that bro, pbf's defense is way way better than marquez. he's a precautionary fighter that can't be hit easily. the reason why he seldom punch in bunches coz its the only time you can hit him clean. pbf in a chess match would UD pac, no doubt... pacs only chance is for PBF to brawl with him which i think won't be possible..
yeah pac's earmuff defense isn't very good. cotto and clottey got clean uppercuts right up the middle of that D.
pac has been doing it the past two fights, don't understand why since it doesn't work at all.
He takes breather breaks and fights in explosive spurts in rounds. That shell defense he does to take breaks will not work against a volume puncher like Margarito.