The Walters threads were similar. So many picked Rigo too. They’ve changed now to dismissing whoever he fights with “wait until he fights someone good” even though the same idiots are in these threads being wrong every time and hyping the other guy up.
same thing will happen to davis when lomachenko outclasses him. these same fools who like to discredit a highly skilled fighter like loma are the same ones who claim to love only fighters who are highly skilled always yapping about how skills pay bills blah blah blah. turns out it they are full of crap and you see them showing their true colors lol.
Yeah, they only like skilled and slick boxers but suck off Charlos, Davis and even Wilder but hate on Loma & Usyk lol.
Famechon was a very good boxer, could move and jab really well. I'd have liked he and Winstone to have met. I think that would have been a great stylistic match of pure skill. I think Legra was robbed against Famechon though. That was a very bad decision. He got a very lucky win over Harada in fight I but credit to him he beat the hell out of Harada in the return. He was very, very competitive too vs. Saldivar and never got KO'd. Excellent fighter.
I truly believe Whitaker is the best fighter since the Leonard-Hagler-Duran-Hearns era. Under 147 I could only really see Duran beating him of the last 50 years. Chavez and more so Carlos Ortiz at 135 perhaps would have a good chance too but he may have the slight edge.
Good one. Prime Montiel at Flyweight and SuperFly was a beast. Too Sharp was past it when he lost to Marquez imo.
I agree on both points but I'll say this:
Johnson was past his best (he'd been to prison for about a year) but he'd still not came close to losing a fight (since his early loss a debatable one to a local fighter in Ireland) and for Rafael that was a HUGE step-up. He was even a 4-1 underdog in the re-match! Rafael wasn't considered a major prospect and had never mixed with anybody close to Too Sharp's class. Those were great victories.
Johnson then went on to beat Montiel rather easily a couple of years later at a time when Montiel was looking very, very good. I think Montiel got stage fright or something because he seemed in awe of Johnson.
If, and it's a huge IF. If Thurman beats Crawford it would be razor thin. That said, I wouldn't give him much chance. Sure, he's a nice fighter. Good speed, good power (not quite what was advertised) and he's got really good athleticism but Crawford is an elite level boxer and athlete. His footwork and speed is very good, so Keith wouldn't be able to just get on his bike and peck away at Bud. Bud has an excellent jab and can defend and has a lot of variety to his offense and is about as adaptable as any fighter alive. Thurman is a bit more like bombs away early, that doesn't work, just do the same thing over or get on his bike a little.
There's really no special affects or mind blowing skill with Thurman so I think once Bud has figured him out he'd probably just walk him down or even handcuff him and school him with the jab and occasional cross.
Competitive early, then repetitive. Crawford 117-111.
This thread make me laugh. Keith ´oneslap ´ Thurman got no power, only one stoppage in his last 5 fights. Crawford got 4 in 5. Thurman too big? Lmfao he is a midjet at WW, crawford is taller and got longer arms. I see this fight been a complete shutout for Crawford, Thurman landing some soft power punch early, then Bud adjust and punish him for the rest of the fight. Easy work for Bud, Thurman is no different than the Gamboa or Diaz
I think Diaz would have given Thurman hell and arguably do enough to beat him.
Overrated by the mainstream and underrated by some of the hardcore.
Some say he’s a top 5 ever and could never lose that’s gross overrating but some say he’s a bum so that’s gross underrating.
IMO he’s anywhere from 9-12 all-time at Heavyweight and probably somewhere from 125-150 amongst the greatest pound for pound.
The same guy that got buzzed by blown up Gamboa :rofl:. Crawford would get exposed as the hype job he is. The guy has fought 0 elite fighters to even ask this question. Crawford's resume is weak as hell and as long as he stays with Top Rank that won't change. Pretty Boy Floyd by UD maybe TKO.
Exposed by the same guy that got buzzed by DeMarcus Corley and bloodied by Augustus?
You can do that with any fighter.
I think it's fair to say both guys would present the other with the hardest match-up. Floyd has operated on a higher level as he's 11 years older and had a full career to judge. He didn't seem to like southpaws or testing his skills against fellow speedsters or slicksters so obviously he'd have a hard time being talked into a Crawford match.
It would be a 50/50 matchup until either Bud proves more or Bud proves to be not as good as he's looked lately (not likely).
I mean, that isn't saying much considering there's only a handful of good ones out there. Lol
We'll see what he does and how he does it. Gamboa had this dude hurt and it took him a good round, round and a half to FULLY recover.
Actually he knocked him out the round he got buzzed.
Also, that's one fight three years ago. Crawford has even more confidence now and is a much better, more complete, experienced fighter.
Is Thurman the same guy that was hurt by Soto-Karrass? No. Fighters improve. Fighters go through things at different stages in their careers.
The same Fortuna that got KO'd by Sosa at 130?
Yet somehow when Mikey beats him that will be an amazing win.
I like Mikey, but lets stay consistent people.
Both sports have tons of stupid fans but the modern day Boxing fan is perhaps worse. Likes 1-2 fighters usually based on race and then hates everyone else and gets insecure if so much as a compliment is made of another fighter.
Barcelona fans are one's that don't care how the win is and how controversial but will delight in it. Boxing fan boys run with anything to suit their narrative.
Boxing fights you meet at fights and aren't just fanboys I'd consider among the best in sport and especially one's who respect the history and don't just spew irrational hatred.
I think he's too intelligent to put himself in a position where he's in major danger. Getting cheated against Salido taught him a lot about the pro's. I think he will remain ambitious but you probably won't see him being crazy demanding with catch-weights and clauses etc;
I think he will be at lightweight to clean it out and dominate for a while. There's young talent there and at 126-130 to come up too.
I don't know.
Maybe the 2008 prospect of the year, olympian and current featherweight world champion Gary Russell Jr.
Maybe the undefeated world champion and ,power puncher, Nicholas Walters.
The former world champion Rocky Martinez.
And you can add Jason Sosa, former world champion who last year scored a win over Javier Fortuna, one of the highest ranked boxers in the division.
And it took those guys 30+ fights to have opposition as good as that on their resume.
Perspective people. Don't write Loma's career off yet because of where he's from and the color of his skin.
It definitely does have a visual affect
When you see a guy with a glistening record, you know, something like 27-0, even with less than stellar competition, it's still easy to be swayed by it
But a perfect example is the Lomachenko vs Gary Russell example
Russell was what, 24-0 going into their fight? Meanwhile Vasyl was 1-1. To a casual fan who had no idea who either was, they would expect a complete blowout by Russell.
But beneath the thin surface of those records, Lomachenko had already faced a tougher opponent in his second career fight than Russell faced in all 24 or whatever of his fights.
And that was put on full display in their fight, as the 1-1 fighter completely outclassed the 24-0 fighter.
Yeah we do get caught up in shiny records...I'm just as guilty as anybody, but in reality it's obviously way more important about WHO you fought.
That's a good point. I remember so many people thinking that was easy work for Russell not taking into account that Lomachenko A) gained experience in his 2nd fight B) was robbed in multiple ways.
I think records is a casuals way of looking at it. It's more important who you fight, when you fight them, how you fight them than having a shiny record on paper. It fits certain people's arguments.
I've been saying loma won this fight 8 rounds to 4, you just can't score blatant low blows, and it's a crime the ref didn't take 1 point off when there is nearly 50 low blows in the fight.
Yeah, that's my take. If we call the ball area as legal shots it was a 6-6 type slightly Loma 7-5 type fight but I can't give credit for those shots.
115-113 Loma but with a halfway competent ref 115-110. Probably should have lost at least 2, perhaps 3 points.
Mayweather was robbed you asshat just like Roy Jones Jr. was robbed in the Olympics :dunce:
Professional record > amateur record :dunce: :rofl:
If Lomachenko was a more skilled boxer then why did he already lose to old, shop worn, face first brawler Orlando Salido? Young doe. Weight disadvantage doe. Lowblows doe. Still an official Loss! :loser:
Aren't Jones and Mayweather's Olympic losses still official losses?
Can't have it both ways.
So you admit Orlando Salido officially beat Lomachenko in a professional bout not long ago?
I don't think anybody has denied it.
Controversial? Yes. 2nd pro fight? Yes. Tons of rules broken? Yes.
But official. Again, why is that defeat official so concrete and proof Lomachenko is a terrible fighter but Jones and Mayweather official Olympics losses still seen as "wins"?
Not surprised at all. Today's boxing fans can't appreciate more than one or two fighters in the sport without tearing down all of the others. Which makes no sense, because if you are a fan of fighter A and he defeats fighter B, you are basically saying that fighter B was overrated and not a worthy opponent, yet out of the other side of your mouth you're bragging that fighter A beat fighter B. Can't have it both ways.
These are called fans of fighters, not fans of boxing.
Very true. 90% of the stuff I see on here is fans of Boxers not of Boxing. If you have watched the sport for years and/or have the respect for the sport to learn history and respect all fighters you can enjoy the sport.
Most in here I get the impression would rather watch a replay of their favorite fighters last fight than a quality live fight/fighter.
I'm not surprised Mikey fanboys hate Loma. Seems a certain fan group hated GGG, then Kovalev, now Lomachenko. There's a connection there.
Lol you're so transparent. No he was not. People still hated him even his own damn promoter after he schooled nonito who was top 10 pfp. Lima hasn't beaten anyone as good as him yet
Walters beat the crap out of Donaire. That's in the same ballpark.
Lets see what happens. I think fans that write off a fighter based on a loss would probably do the same here. Especially since its 20 fights into his career.
I think he will lose but will compete. Brook is a very good fighter and well rounded, well schooled. Spence will have his moments but come short and it will likely serve him well moving forward.
Be better if it's Indongo. Burns would probably fare even worse in a re-match, probably getting stopped next time. Indongo is at least a different opponent and probably much easier to reach a deal with for Crawford.
Can someone explain this one to me...
Most white american boxing fans I know, in person and online, are rooting for Kovalev. We know why and I have zero problem with that.
But those same fans are now telling me that the american judges are biased towards Ward, because he is american, despite the judges themselves being white.
So how does this work? Why arent the judges favoring Kovalev just like the fans are?
Please discuss...
There's also black judges and black referees.
A lot of black American boxing fans hate European or non black fighters and we know why.
A logical answer is the Boxing world is small so it's more likely a fighter they are more familiar with especially a fairly popular US fighter will get any conceivable benefit over a foreign fighter. Rare exceptions have been Pacquaio (who actually only got 3 gifts all vs. 1 Mexican) and Chavez (Don King being a powerful man and WBC being corrupt).