If you have to boast about Amatuer accomplishments then you havent done much as a pro

Why beat around the bush, just say what you really wanted to say. Another GGG diss thread.

no one even talks about that..we mention his pro wins man Cool...just cuz you don't bring it up, doesn't mean others don't. Loma is starting to build a good resume, a great resume for 10 fights, but an amateur record like that can't be ignored. If not for nothing, just the insanity of only losing 1 fight in over 300. I'm in awe of it purely as a stat, not cuz it has anything to do with his pro career.

tell that to the fans who say wilders bronze medal is proof of his boxing ability, oh and ive lost count of how many times wards gold medal is mentioned on here.... literally no one mentions Wilders Bronze medal nor acts like he is great..and show me the threads and posts about Wards gold medal...we praise his pro accomplishments son

it's cool when people talk about ward being undefended since he was 10 or some sh*t tho. Fan boys will be fan boys. no one even talks about that..we mention his pro wins man

Then why have Amateur Boxing? Everything counts for something. A MLB player doesn't discount his minor league, or college play. A NFL/NBA player doesn't act like his college play meant nothing. Everything counts, at some level. If you think amateur boxing's only merit is bragging rights then you're missing out on the whole point. The subject of the thread is people bringing up amateur records only when it's convenient. Like "Loma doesn't even have 10 pro fights" as an excuse but the same people say, "He's so experienced he has 400 amateur fights". I'm saying, they aren't parallel and amateur fights don't validate a pro resume.

Honestly how many ATG'S ever talk about amateur accomplishments?? do you even know Ali's amateur record?? or even care?? if you have to keep mentioning Amateur sh1t for a fighter you support then their resume is thinner then wet paper One of the greatest trainers accentuated the importance of an amateur background: Emanuel Steward

On a similar topic, I like the trend of these decorated amateurs jumping into the championship level right away (Rigo, Loma, Beterbiev, ect.). I hope this continues, tired of guys with 30-40 fights barely stepping up.

Gee I wonder why this thread was made? Could it be more xenophobic insecure jealousy?

Honestly how many ATG'S ever talk about amateur accomplishments?? do you even know Ali's amateur record?? or even care?? if you have to keep mentioning Amateur sh1t for a fighter you support then their resume is thinner then wet paper Tell that to RIGO, FLOYD, WARD, KOVALEV, LOMO, GOLOVKIN, KLITSCHKO, WHO ARE ALL ON THE P4P LIST WITH GREAT AMATEUR BACKGROUNDS. Not too mention past all time greats who have had great amateur records. Ali had a gold medal. De la hoya gold medal. Foreman gold medal. Leonard gold medal. Very few greats didn't have a great amateur pedigree. Most did. So your argument makes no sense.

What about Shawn Porter's amateur career? He should be a beast because of it but nope.

It's usually just the other way around - If a favorite of your's excelled in the pros but failed at times in the amateurs, it's easier to dismiss the latter by simply claiming, "Derp derp, the amateurs don't matter." Saying the amateurs don't matter is basically saying the Olympics don't matter. In other words, you're a retard. They may not fully dictate how well you'll end up doing as a Pro, but they still matter. You're still competing against others in the same skill set and coming away with either a win or a loss. You also don't get to pick whom you compete against in the amateurs, unlike the way you usually get to do in the Pros.

A great amateur will usually be a great pro. So it's not entirely off-base to use it as a reference.

Honestly how many ATG'S ever talk about amateur accomplishments?? do you even know Ali's amateur record?? or even care?? if you have to keep mentioning Amateur sh1t for a fighter you support then their resume is thinner then wet paper It's cool when people talk about ward being undefended since he was 10 or some sh*t tho. Fan boys will be fan boys.

If you ain't **** in amatuers you ain't gonna be **** in the pros

Well it's true that fanboys who dig up amateur accomplishments are often doing so because they are defensive about their favorite fighter's professional accomplishments. (Not always) I agree that amateur accomplishments should not hold significance in discussion about where a fighter ranks P4P/HOF/ATG etc... ...BUT I also think that impressive amateur records do mean something about how well you can box. It takes a lot of skill to win tournaments against the best amateurs in the world.

Who's this a shot at? GGG or LOMA? Loma is 9 fights into a professional career so I think it's fine to still talk about how decorated an amateur he was plus 2 gold medals in something special. GGG didn't win Gold but he had an amazing amateur record but he's already made a big name for himself in the professional ranks so the only time his amateur record should be mentioned is to say he's faced many different styles and his record shows he can box as well as punch as we've seen in the pro ranks.

It's nice in track & field, swimming and other Olympic sports. Boxing, not so much

This is just wrong. Boasting about amateur records is not meant to be a replacement for a professional resume, and it's not meant to say that someone will beat someone else because they did so in the amateurs (ex Bute vs Golovkin, Loma vs Valdez), but to say it doesn't matter is absolutely wrong. A great amateur boxing career is something to be proud of, in some cases more so than being a 'world champion'. What Rigo, Loma, Golovkin, Katie Taylor, Claressa Shields, Floyd, Ali, Spinks have done in the amateurs is remarkable and should be lauded. It does not make their professional resume better, but don't you dare deride them for staying in the amateurs longer than some others.

Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson TWICE as an amateur, which kept Tyson out of the Olympics. Mike went on to smoke Tillman in the FIRST ROUND as a pro. GTFO with the amateurs talk.

Yeah, I look at amateur records like I look at minor league stats in baseball. They're cool, but really don't mean much