Rigo was/is way more overhyped than Lomachenko

You're leaving out an important piece of the equation. You can't just say HBO without citing Top Rank. The same Arum that said Mayweather ''he's a great defensive figther, nobody wants to watch a defensive fighter.'' Basically Rigo affected Top Rank's stock value in Donaire. It really has nothing to do with HBO. However I'll admit Rigo on the undercard for Cotto vs Alvarez was funny as fck my dad and brother said ''wtf is dis shıt'' so in theory corporate goes with the casual POV... However, Kellerman and Roy were praising Rigo schooling Donaire on HBO. They are commentators representing HBO's brand of boxing. Kellerman literally said, ''if you're a boxing purist this is great to watch, but it's not for everybody.'' Did Max just change his opinion in the sports world? Because RJJ has been heated in saying what the sport needs is Rigo vs Loma. How is RJJ wrong as a significant commentator for HBO Boxing and the fact he was a platform star. If didn't matter then wtf is Leonard doing on PBC broadcasts? What's worse is HBO doesn't respect RJJ's opinion. I bet Lampley has a big say in it. TBH, if I were running HBO I'd fire Lampley to restrategize ''rebrand'' its commentary. I mean fans have already acknowledged it going down hill. Why isn't there some theory that boxing fans have gotten tired of Lampley? Let's be real, the dude ain't great. Rather hear Al Bernstein an Leonard on a dual cast than RJJ and Lampley, and it saddens me to say that because I like to hear Roy. He knows what he's talking about. I mean Rigo got two Golds. If his style was ''boring'' then the Olympic committee should've just said 'yo, in the history of boxing being televised we want to preserve unique styles from the amateurs and we feel your style is not entertaining. We'll just give your the medals. You don't have to compete...because you're boring.'' Let's cut to the chase here. If someone, anyone with clout believed that Rigo has the goods to make them a boat load of money, they'd go for it. They'd do whatever it takes to get that paper; buy out his contract, promote the hell out of him, ect.

While it's true that the sport has done Rigo few favors since he beat Donaire, Rigo himself has made terrible decisions which kept him from ever overcoming the HBO blackballing. He could be in better position now than he is, but he has played a significant role in falling off like he has. the guy just needed to take risks and dish out punishment in the tradition of pro boxing. everything else would have fallen into place if he didn't fight like he did. the guy turned pro as a completetly grown man and was either unable or unwilling to adapt to pro boxing and what was required of a fighter to continue to get on TV and make the money these guys make.

That's because Rigo is not getting the opportunities. His own Promoter back-stabbed him by using the media to cut him down. Put Rigo in there with some sh(t fighters while the HBO crew shamelessly blows him..and he'll be where Loma is. Arum threw him under the bus....Walters too. "arum blacklisted rigondeaux" -some of the dumbest people you'll ever speak to. people flooded out of arenas when rigondeaux fought. other than the 50 bsceners who pretended to like the fight, virtually everybody will tell you that rigondeaux-agbeko is one of the most boring sporting events they've ever seen. is that the kind of monumental mismatch you're looking for, clownery? you foot the bill if you want to see that fight. pay the 750000 dollar license fee. go on. you can make a ton of money, right? he's super popular, right? arum is just blacklisting the guy because he doesn't like him. bob arum doesn't want to make money, guys :lol1: just get off of the internet and stop broadcasting your stupidity. i'm worried that you're a troll and you're pulling a fast one on me, which makes me look and feel like an idiot.

nonito donaire is a sure fire hall of famer and he was one of the planet's best fighters when rigondeaux embarrassed him. in that fight you have to consider what it looked like in addition to the result. the result was a win over one of the best boxers in the world, and who had gone through several weight classes since his upset W over a peaking vic darchinyan. and then you had the fight itself and how it looked. that was one of the best performances of recent memory. rigondeaux is a master counterpuncher and boxer. donaire was the perfectly aggressive and powerful opponent to show off what rigondeaux could do. if you can't take one look at one round of that fight and tell me that rigondeaux wasn't a special fighter you have no idea what you are talking about. none. that's called the eye test. some people just don't ****ing have it, so they discredit it. ask any trainer or fighter if that guy could ****ing fight in his prime. now, the argument that a man is grandfathered in as a pound for pounder on the strength of one legitimately great win half a decade ago is false. that's not how a p4p list works, either. you ahve to consider the recent track record and the ability the fighter is displaying right now. rigondeaux has not been consistent enough with his level of comp and performance to warrant a long term spot on the list.

I am saying that HBO blackballing him and the subsequent negativity has made people not want to watch him. IMO if you put him in with good comp, the exciting will happen, just like it did in the donaire fight. Well, I can't control if someone doesn't come to fight. I wasn't saying you preferred excitement, just saying I'm ok with it and will not criticize you for it if in fact you do. Why does he need to be a cash cow? You can have great fights among guys that are not big earners. I'm not asking that he headline a card, just use resources to give him the fights we as fans want to see. Of course it sounds silly when you word it like that. That said, this isn't far from what happened. he seemed to get punished. I get his lack of english, being from cuba, and his style makes for a tough sell if you are marketing the fighter instead of the fight. Of course the main issue is what is being sold. If HBO was selling boxing, I'd think rigo would have a place on the network because when matched with top guys he would put on an exciting fight. of course those guys generate money so they aren't going to take on a high risk, low reward guy like rigo. That's the real reason Rigo isn't a bigger star. Not because he's being punished, IMO. He is not a consistently entertaining fighter & thus not considered a money maker. And as another poster mentioned, he's small & 36, which is old for a small fighter.

While it's true that the sport has done Rigo few favors since he beat Donaire, Rigo himself has made terrible decisions which kept him from ever overcoming the HBO blackballing. He could be in better position now than he is, but he has played a significant role in falling off like he has.

As good as Rigo may be, he has done nothing since beating Donaire and frankly I question whether he should be ranked p4p at all, let alone above someone like Lomachenko.

So, you're saying that if HBO & it's affiliate call Rigo boring, but he really isn't, that no one else with any clout will step up, call BS & build him up? I don't believe that. You said yourself that two well-matched, skilled fighters equals excitement, though we know that is not always the case, read Mayweather vs Pacquiao. I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that I favor a mismatch over a good, competitive fight. I just can't believe that if HBO saw a potential cash cow in Rigondeaux, that it would have called itself screwing him because he embarrassed their intended star, Donaire. Imagine: HBO execs before the Donaire vs Rigondeaux fight, "This should be a great showcase of our next Philipino star, when he beats a highly-skilled Cuban fighter!" Then after the fight, "Aww hell no! that Cuban beat our next Philipino star badly! We'll never make the kind of money we were hoping to with Donaire! This Rigondeaux guy is an awesome fighter & we could make a mint off him, but fuck that! We'll make sure he never amounts to anything! We'll say he's boring and everyone will believe us & not give him a chance! That'll teach him!" See how silly that sounds? I am saying that HBO blackballing him and the subsequent negativity has made people not want to watch him. IMO if you put him in with good comp, the exciting will happen, just like it did in the donaire fight. Well, I can't control if someone doesn't come to fight. I wasn't saying you preferred excitement, just saying I'm ok with it and will not criticize you for it if in fact you do. Why does he need to be a cash cow? You can have great fights among guys that are not big earners. I'm not asking that he headline a card, just use resources to give him the fights we as fans want to see. Of course it sounds silly when you word it like that. That said, this isn't far from what happened. he seemed to get punished. I get his lack of english, being from cuba, and his style makes for a tough sell if you are marketing the fighter instead of the fight. Of course the main issue is what is being sold. If HBO was selling boxing, I'd think rigo would have a place on the network because when matched with top guys he would put on an exciting fight. of course those guys generate money so they aren't going to take on a high risk, low reward guy like rigo.

are you serious? the dude got blackballed for beating the next filipino star...Hbos new pacquiao..even his own promoter screwed him if anything he was NOT hyped, promoted enough with his skill level It's been ten years since he left Arum/HBO. The Cuban can do no wrong with these idiots. Are you saying he has no life after HBO/Arum? Whose responsible for that?

Not in this era. HBO blackballed him. Their corporate partner, ESPN, calls him boring every week. If you put him in with guys that try to win, the excitement will take care of itself. And when did excitement become the benchmark in boxing over competition? If you put two fighters on the same level in against each other excitement will take care of itself because you have 2 equally matched opponents competing against one another.Instead, we have HBO marketing "excitement" which is really them giving their signed guys opponents who will bleed or get KTFO. Is watching someone you know face an opponent that has no chance to win "exciting"? Not to me. If it is for you, OK, to each his own. I want fighters in competitive fights more than I want to see my favorite guys get easy KO's. So, you're saying that if HBO & it's affiliate call Rigo boring, but he really isn't, that no one else with any clout will step up, call BS & build him up? I don't believe that. You said yourself that two well-matched, skilled fighters equals excitement, though we know that is not always the case, read Mayweather vs Pacquiao. I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that I favor a mismatch over a good, competitive fight. I just can't believe that if HBO saw a potential cash cow in Rigondeaux, that it would have called itself screwing him because he embarrassed their intended star, Donaire. Imagine: HBO execs before the Donaire vs Rigondeaux fight, "This should be a great showcase of our next Philipino star, when he beats a highly-skilled Cuban fighter!" Then after the fight, "Aww hell no! that Cuban beat our next Philipino star badly! We'll never make the kind of money we were hoping to with Donaire! This Rigondeaux guy is an awesome fighter & we could make a mint off him, but fuck that! We'll make sure he never amounts to anything! We'll say he's boring and everyone will believe us & not give him a chance! That'll teach him!" See how silly that sounds?

Why are you being a revisionist? When rigo beat donaire he was coming off a string of victories that had him in every top 5 p4p ranking. Rigo destroyed him. Loma has not defeated any boxer as highly regarded. Added to that his loss to Salido suggests his style needs to be tweaked when in with above average bigger men with a lot of pro experience. Honestly it feels like this is another one of your coded passive bait threads. Maybe it isn't since you are just off a ban. ^^^^this i guess they think people cant read between the lines

He has one great win over Donaire, (who funnily enough is called a hype job by Rigo diehards) and this was seemingly enough to have him in the top five pound for pound indefinitely. He's been in these mythical p4p rankings for years despite a string of mediocre wins against meh opponents. Meanwhile Lomachenko has completely destroyed world class opponents such as Russell Jr and Walters, not just beat but utterly decimated. And these same people say he doesn't deserve to be ranked p4p?? Yet they had Rigo in their top 5 p4p for what reason exactly? One great win and passing the "eye test" :alcoholic . are you serious? the dude got blackballed for beating the next filipino star...Hbos new pacquiao..even his own promoter screwed him if anything he was NOT hyped, promoted enough with his skill level

Rigondeaux's win over Donaire was a great win over a top 5-10 P4P fighter and a better win than anyone on Lomachenko's resume. That's how it was considered at the time, and if you disagree with that or if you are using the Walters fight as an argument, you are simply a cretin. However, Loma's resume is deeper and better overall and is only continue to get better. These Rigo detractors are pathetic and funny as hell, they think being inactive is like him losing or being exposed. If you're not fighting, you're not fighting, that's it.

Who should he beat, Klitschko? Tyson? 130s or 140s?

You think Rigo got blackballed because he beat Donaire? This is a business, and if Rigo's style would have been considered consistently entertaining enough and thus a money maker, he would have been made a star. HBO & TR bet too much on Donaire prematurely, not recognizing his weaknesses. He's a boxer/puncher who can be out-boxed & out-punched. Not in this era. HBO blackballed him. Their corporate partner, ESPN, calls him boring every week. If you put him in with guys that try to win, the excitement will take care of itself. And when did excitement become the benchmark in boxing over competition? If you put two fighters on the same level in against each other excitement will take care of itself because you have 2 equally matched opponents competing against one another.Instead, we have HBO marketing "excitement" which is really them giving their signed guys opponents who will bleed or get KTFO. Is watching someone you know face an opponent that has no chance to win "exciting"? Not to me. If it is for you, OK, to each his own. I want fighters in competitive fights more than I want to see my favorite guys get easy KO's.

You're absolutely right. Rigo is one of the most overrated fighters in the world who's living off one win 3 or 4 years ago. He has done absolutely nothing besides that one win - a bunch of barely top20 contenders, if that. I love the morons in this thread "Loma hasn't beaten anyone as good yet." Except he embarassed Walters, who destroyed Donaire as well. You have to be a complete imbecile to claim that Rigo's resume is better than Lomachenko's. Eye test? Sure, that's subjective. Resume? Get outta here. Whats with all the aggressiveness? i havent found 1 guy saying Rigo has better resume then Loma , P4P is just a list a guy makes and can do as he pleases if ppl go by the "eye test" they put their fav fighters and if they go by actual resume and fights then they get a different list all together. Rigo is an AMAZING BOXER how can he be "overrated" ? the other guys on his weight classes just out right without shame DUCKED HIM and said so , he is small and he is very old , he aint filling that frame. Also who is hyping rigo ? all of the ppl here always break his balls , the guy is UNDER rated if anything , amazing amateur career , amazing pro boxer. Loma is the same , amazing !!!!! and he is also bigger so he is instantly becomes a bigger star with better "mega fights" down the road. Note that small weight division are much more pruned to age deterioration and him at his age still being at the top is not easy. tldr- both are amazing , I rarely find ppl overhyping Rigo , if anything he is underrated , Loma is an amazing talent as well !!

No doubt that Loma is special. I just think Hype Job's passive bait thread is unfair because rigo got ranked so high because Donaire was where he was (even though I personally thought that ranking was somewhat high). Then, post Donaire, he got blackballed (because he cost HBO and TR their investment in Nonito) so the people that rank p4p fighters never moved him down because of this, which IMO is fair. If this was 20 years ago, Rigo would be given the star treatment after such a big win and would've gotten the kinds of fights that would give him the chance to erase any questions about him. You think Rigo got blackballed because he beat Donaire? This is a business, and if Rigo's style would have been considered consistently entertaining enough and thus a money maker, he would have been made a star. HBO & TR bet too much on Donaire prematurely, not recognizing his weaknesses. He's a boxer/puncher who can be out-boxed & out-punched.

What's interesting to me is Donaire was highly regarded. However, after that loss to Rigo, he never did much besides beat one-dimensional Darchinyan. And of course, he had his ass handed to him by Walters, whom Lomachenko made quit. Vasyl lost his second pro fight to warhorse Salido, but has since put on some increasingly skillful shows. This kid is special. I agree that we must see how he fares with some of the top tier guys. No doubt that Loma is special. I just think Hype Job's passive bait thread is unfair because rigo got ranked so high because Donaire was where he was (even though I personally thought that ranking was somewhat high). Then, post Donaire, he got blackballed (because he cost HBO and TR their investment in Nonito) so the people that rank p4p fighters never moved him down because of this, which IMO is fair. If this was 20 years ago, Rigo would be given the star treatment after such a big win and would've gotten the kinds of fights that would give him the chance to erase any questions about him.

Rigo is a highly skilled fighter, but not a very entertaining one to watch & a frustrating one to fight. There are fighters who don't want to fight him and fans who don't want to watch him.

Why are you being a revisionist? When rigo beat donaire he was coming off a string of victories that had him in every top 5 p4p ranking. Rigo destroyed him. Loma has not defeated any boxer as highly regarded. Added to that his loss to Salido suggests his style needs to be tweaked when in with above average bigger men with a lot of pro experience. Honestly it feels like this is another one of your coded passive bait threads. Maybe it isn't since you are just off a ban. What's interesting to me is Donaire was highly regarded. However, after that loss to Rigo, he never did much besides beat one-dimensional Darchinyan. And of course, he had his ass handed to him by Walters, whom Lomachenko made quit. Vasyl lost his second pro fight to warhorse Salido, but has since put on some increasingly skillful shows. This kid is special. I agree that we must see how he fares with some of the top tier guys.