This thread is brutal. And hiw about this for objectivity: thread was started before Pac-Mosley, ran through that, and no one has mentioned the PPV postfight interview and Manny's weak response to whether or not he wants to fight Floyd.
Paraphrasing- "I don't care because I'm happy with what I've accomplished in boxing and I'll focus on politics."
The story is from yesterday. It was his stomach, again. I wonder why the majority of boxing sites chose not to report this.
Personally, I'd care more about something like this than hearing updates on a lawsuit every week.
This time Pac will give him a serious beating just like Oscar, Hatton and Mosley. Pac already has the habit of retiring those men Floyd recently fought. Watchout!
It's unfortunate. While a trilogy was warranted, the timing, weight and other circumstances remove all the luster from this fight. Why bother at this point? From what I've seen and heard, only Pacquiao fans care about this fight.
It is true that PAC was rushed to hospital but not becauseof his stomach this story was 2010,
The story is from yesterday. It was his stomach, again. I wonder why the majority of boxing sites chose not to report this.
Weak thread. How long have we been watching boxing that we still can't tell whether or not a guy is shot or sevrely weathered? Or, is this a case of building Margarito up because Pacquiao dominated and seriously injured him?
There's a reason a young guy like Paul Williams is on his way out, and fighters like Juan Diaz, Fernando Vargas, Ricky Hatton, Meldrick Taylor and Chris Arreola to some extent, all began to slide at a relatively young age. There's a reason an iron-chinned Librado Andrade, Marg himself, and Carlos Baldomir finally had their chins cracked.
Years of taking excessive punishment. Years of shaky defense and a propensity to go to war, a willingness to block punches with your face. It damages you and it accelerates your expiration.
A strong argument could be made that Margarito's last hurrah was his win over Cotto in 2008. He absorbed tremendous punishment that night, he walked through the fire in one of the ATG displays of will and toughness. Since then? He got demolished and stopped by Shane Mosley in his very next fight, suspended for two years, came back at 154 and looked average in a win over a journeyman before coming down to 150 for Pacquiao and getting his face beat in. Let's not forget either- he had trouble getting down to 147 three years ago. He returned at 154 for a reason, and moving him down to 150 was a calculated move. Not that I believe the outcome would've been any different at 154, but, as a logical thinker, I have to acknowledge the fact that a catchweight existed.
Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, arguably the best of his generation and an ATG. That doesn't mean he should be able to piss on you and tell you it's raining. The Margarito fight was irrelevant, and not because everyone's a "Flomo" or Manny isn't an amazing fighter. It was irrelevant because it was irrelevant. Period. I understand the fun in arguing for your guy and taking sides in debate, but do we not, as men, get tired of all this crying, whining and hero-worship? Your guy fought a meaningless fight- wasn't the first and won't be the last time that has happened in boxing. Pacquiao gets all the credit and respect he deserves as it is, you don't have to fight so hard to defend the bulll**** too.
bull****. a fighter's prime isn't decided solely on his age. he's fought 3 times in the last 5 years. he doesn't have the wear and tear that most active boxers his age would have. he's got plenty left.
When the same things were true about Oscar De La Hoya before he fought Floyd in '07, Oscar was "over-the-hill" and a "part-time fighter."
floyd vs ortiz
canelo vs gomez
matthysse vs morales
manny vs marquez 3
arum wants to get rios on this undercard
cotto vs margs rematch
wolak vs k9
donaire vs tba
even though these obviously can change from now til then at least its a step in the right direction
Nothing's set in stone with the TR undercards, I'd hold off on calling them loaded.
Mayweather-Ortiz card is promising though.
Will you please use your flea brain once in a while? How could you ducking someone when you already fought him twice and beat him twice? think! think! use your flea size brain. You should capable of logical thinking of your own.
Michael Koncz said it though.
no we're using triangle theories to determine when a fighter is in their prime?
its apple and oranges.
If by triangle theories, you mean truth, sure. I haven't opined, just pointing out general consensus.
Do you think he is just as quick now as he was, say, 3 years ago? Watch the highlights of both and see if you change your mind. I've watched both full-fights several times and think I might see something.
Definitely did, I noticed it starting with the Marquez fight.
There were a few times where, back-pedaling or moving laterally, he got stuck on his plant leg. It's the small things that aren't visible to the untrained eye.
Floyd is nearing 35. He hasn't been in his prime for quite awhile now.
Amazing, isn't it?
34-year old Oscar De La Hoya was an over-the-hill, part-time, businessman/fighter, while a 34-year old (and more inactive) Floyd is "prime."
Just shows you, no matter what's said, how highly most think of Floyd the fighter.
I says it was uploaded today...did it take place today if you know Dios?
No, this is the session he held in Vegas for the British media, a few days before the Khan-Judah fight.
only flomos would laugh at someone who have a decease
rule # 1
u dont make jokes at someone whos not proven guilty
i just dont find it funny
:smashfrea
Came into this thread thinking a fan interpreted the quotes and drew their own conclusion. Turns out, it was ESPN. Wow, Smh.
Worst part is, like other sites, they didn't give FightHype credit for the content they wrote their story on.
Marquez is missing from Floyd's list. Mosley also hinted that Floyd would outbox Manny.
I've never heard Roy or Tyson pick Manny. In fact, Tyson leaned toward Floyd in a Hot 97 interview earlier this year.
Maybe it's because I haven't read through every page, but I haven't seen anyone mention the size and physical strength he's added with age. More specifically, upper-body strength.
Since his 2009 comeback, you can see Floyd's much more solid up top which was a factor in the way he was able to stand in front of and push Shane Mosley back. Even the smaller welterweight version of Floyd was able to fight off Ricky Hatton inside. The difference back then was he did it mainly with his legs and front hip whereas now he can outmuscle seemingly bigger, stronger fighters.
I think today's version of Floyd, while plainly not as fast, would handle 2006-2007 Baldomir and De La Hoya much easier.
Prime means, the period of time when the fighter is at his best, the whole package not just one aspect.
Is he in his prime now?
Actually, what constitutes a fighter's prime is very subjective. This thread being 10 pages long would attest to that.
All I can say is he's physically bigger and stronger now than he was 5 years ago. You further my point with your take on his Baldomir performance versus his Mosley performance. He was overly negative with Baldomir because he was largely outgunned for size and strength.
Going by your criteria, Floyd has never looked better than he did at 140. Razor sharp, footspeed, handspeed, explosiveness, power- all with the defense in tact.
He's looked his all-around sharpest at 140 and 130, a complete package offense and defense. He took more chances counterpunching and threw lighting fast combinations.
So you would say Floyd is in his prime now?
He clearly is not in his physical prime- not as explosive, fluid, fast, and agile. I'm saying he's added strength and has adjusted his fighting style accordingly.