I don't get all the "Floyd is past his prime" talk

Everyone knows that you are NOT as quick at 34 as you were at 24, EXCEPT if you are Manny Pacquiao. In that case a totally different set of rules apply.:nono: It depends on the fighter, Wladimir is just as fast now. Pacquiao I need to see how he does against Marquez.

We also have to remember that Zab Judah who was comming of a loss to Carlos Baldomir gave Floyd much more problems than Shane Mosley, Judah also dropped Mayweather in the second but missed by the ref. Floyd also made hard work of Oscar who struggled with Forbes just 6 months later. Floyd made lost a lot of round against fighters that were nowhere near top class. He is winning fights more comfortably now, but still the opposition is not top class. I'd say Zab showed up for the Mayweather fight. Aside from how huge the opportunity was, the two had their own personal rivalry which I'm sure was added motivation. Oscar also fought Forbes one year later, not six months, and did so four pounds lighter, at least officially, than he was for Floyd.

Prime means, the period of time when the fighter is at his best, the whole package not just one aspect. Is he in his prime now? Actually, what constitutes a fighter's prime is very subjective. This thread being 10 pages long would attest to that. All I can say is he's physically bigger and stronger now than he was 5 years ago. You further my point with your take on his Baldomir performance versus his Mosley performance. He was overly negative with Baldomir because he was largely outgunned for size and strength. Going by your criteria, Floyd has never looked better than he did at 140. Razor sharp, footspeed, handspeed, explosiveness, power- all with the defense in tact. He's looked his all-around sharpest at 140 and 130, a complete package offense and defense. He took more chances counterpunching and threw lighting fast combinations.

We also have to remember that Zab Judah who was comming of a loss to Carlos Baldomir gave Floyd much more problems than Shane Mosley, Judah also dropped Mayweather in the second but missed by the ref. Floyd also made hard work of Oscar who struggled with Forbes just 6 months later. Floyd made lost a lot of round against fighters that were nowhere near top class. He is winning fights more comfortably now, but still the opposition is not top class.

i wouldnt think floyd is on the downslide as such. Hes just changed his style slightly as his upper body frame and weight has increased,he cant move and make peole miss quite as well with a bigger target of his torso to be hit. he may look not as great in fights as he is so inactive as well,he isnt getting better imo,not necesarily getting worse,but not consistent enough to actually improve his defense into offense and improve his work rate and larger repertoire of combinations. i think finally fighting a top welter in shane was the reason why he got caught with big shots that rocked him,that was just shane smartly setting up shots and throwing his whole self into the shots to bring enormous power,floyd is tough,if shane hits berto ect with those shots,they be going down and staying down. i wana see floyd lose,but i like him,i want him to lose,so he forgets this silly zero record rubbish,and finally is chain free from it,and fights top guys regularly,and has more guts/skills from coming back from defeat. i wana ateast see floyd come back from real adversity and win big by KO. do himself justice and live up to his skills in and out of the ring.

Floyd isn't in his physical prime anymore. Having said that, he's nowhere near shot at all. He's still arguably the best fighter in the world which is a credit to his dedication and talent. He's in his mid 30's. That's just what happens when you get older. Your physical skills start to slip. He's still an incredible fighter.

It's an excuse just incase he loses even tho he looked great against Mosley. While Floyd' has one of the best defenses in this sport probably ever, he is still going to get hit every so often because he is only human. Some of the flomos think Floyd is past it because Mosley landed a hard-shot on him. But if floyd was really past it he wouldn't know how to survive and could have gotten stopped. He clinched Mosley right away than took over the fight after that. Good point, the reason why he eased to victory over Baldomir was because Baldomir was very slow hand speed and slumbered around the ring for 12 rounds. Floyd still took a negative approached to the fight and just pot shotted, in a performance that made the crowd boo and people leave the arena. Mosley even at that stage of his career was better than Baldomir, and the handspeed and power to have a punchers chance, Baldomir never had that chance.

Prime means, the period of time when the fighter is at his best, the whole package not just one aspect. Is he in his prime now? That's it.... what started out as a bit annoying has now turned into trolling this thread. You haven't made one valid statement in this thread all you've done is ask question after question after question. Give your opinion on the topic and move on to the next thread. The questions are done.

He clearly is not in his physical prime- not as explosive, fluid, fast, and agile. I'm saying he's added strength and has adjusted his fighting style accordingly. Prime means, the period of time when the fighter is at his best, the whole package not just one aspect. Is he in his prime now?

So you would say Floyd is in his prime now? He clearly is not in his physical prime- not as explosive, fluid, fast, and agile. I'm saying he's added strength and has adjusted his fighting style accordingly.

Maybe it's because I haven't read through every page, but I haven't seen anyone mention the size and physical strength he's added with age. More specifically, upper-body strength. Since his 2009 comeback, you can see Floyd's much more solid up top which was a factor in the way he was able to stand in front of and push Shane Mosley back. Even the smaller welterweight version of Floyd was able to fight off Ricky Hatton inside. The difference back then was he did it mainly with his legs and front hip whereas now he can outmuscle seemingly bigger, stronger fighters. I think today's version of Floyd, while plainly not as fast, would handle 2006-2007 Baldomir and De La Hoya much easier. So you would say Floyd is in his prime now?

Just like everything else....its just something to talk about. We can't say what we don't know

Mayweather is in the tail end of his prime, but still not past it IMHO. Moving up in weight will slow down any fighter.

Maybe it's because I haven't read through every page, but I haven't seen anyone mention the size and physical strength he's added with age. More specifically, upper-body strength. Since his 2009 comeback, you can see Floyd's much more solid up top which was a factor in the way he was able to stand in front of and push Shane Mosley back. Even the smaller welterweight version of Floyd was able to fight off Ricky Hatton inside. The difference back then was he did it mainly with his legs and front hip whereas now he can outmuscle seemingly bigger, stronger fighters. I think today's version of Floyd, while plainly not as fast, would handle 2006-2007 Baldomir and De La Hoya much easier. that's a great point

Well based on flomos logic of how PAC only fights old pass their prime fighters well Floyd is around the same age and even older than some of pac's pass opponents that were labeled past their prime because of their age by the flomos.. So going by how the flomos think, then yes floyd is pass his prime lol!! That's dumb. Pac has been fighting handicaps since Marquez 2. Clottey: punching bag. ODLH: dead at weight Cotto: dead at weight + damaged Margarito: catchweight + post-plaster-incident Hatton: made to order Diaz: made to order Mosley: old + shot Marquez: 2 weight classes up

Maybe it's because I haven't read through every page, but I haven't seen anyone mention the size and physical strength he's added with age. More specifically, upper-body strength. Since his 2009 comeback, you can see Floyd's much more solid up top which was a factor in the way he was able to stand in front of and push Shane Mosley back. Even the smaller welterweight version of Floyd was able to fight off Ricky Hatton inside. The difference back then was he did it mainly with his legs and front hip whereas now he can outmuscle seemingly bigger, stronger fighters. I think today's version of Floyd, while plainly not as fast, would handle 2006-2007 Baldomir and De La Hoya much easier.

lol, Floyd is past his prime. He isn't over the hill but he isn't prime either. Floyd's prime wasn't fully lived up to and/or appreciated by Floyd himself. As when he was at his peak, Floyd decided to take a break. During that break, Floyd's prime was gone. He came back, wasn't the same on his feet, more flat footed. He is still incredible but he isn't going to Corrales someone or even Zab anyone, anymore.

I don't even know what you're trying to prove with this. Boxing is not some math equation or cannot be broken down this easily. And the judge the scored the fight for Oscar must have been on crack, Floyd easily won a UD reedickyaluss and others were saying Floyd prime was around the Baldomir fight and Floyd is past his prime now. The Oscar fight was a SD and Floyd, with only one swing round giving Floyd a victory. If Floyd is a lesser fighter now than he was then is it not logical that Oscar he fought that night would beat him now.

So is it, Floyd 2006 > Floyd 2011 Floyd 30 > Oscar 34 (SD) Would then it be Oscar 34 > Floyd 34? I don't even know what you're trying to prove with this. Boxing is not some math equation or cannot be broken down this easily. And the judge the scored the fight for Oscar must have been on crack, Floyd easily won a UD

So that's all it takes, ring IQ? Floyd somehow knows some ancient secrets created by the Greeks that enable him to beat everybody else? Floyd can walk into a fight with a broken leg and dislocated shoulder and pitch a shut out? lol okay I'm trolling you a little bit, but I believe it's more than ring IQ, he's still gotta be closer to his prime than his decline. He's more economical with his punches than he used to be and he was quicker of his feet during his 135lbs days along with his power being in tact at the lower weights. He's still pretty quick, but I have seen a decline in his speed since his 135-140lb days. Whether or not one wants to constitute that as being past prime or not is on them, but I think we've overall seen the best Floyd Mayweather we'll ever see.