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Mares is one of my favorite fighters because he has defied the odds and beaten a bunch of guys who are top level. That said I would also favor Donaire in this fight, but who in their right mind wouldn't want to watch this? Mares' best weapon is that he never quits and he makes it a dog fight, we have not seen Donaire against this type of fighter so we don't know how he would react. Even if you think Donaire would win, this would be a damn gem. If you don't want to see this fight it's because you're a fanboy not a boxing fan. I won't mind seeing donaire fight Rigo, but those styles make for a much less exciting fight, only compelling because both are champions in the division.

Donaire's win over montiel is the most impressive of them of all for me. But as of late, the run that Mares has been on is incredible. All top fighters, not in between fights, overall more top quality wins. At 122, yes Donaire bc of Nishioka. Basically, donaire has way to many fights against no hopers for my taste. To his credit, he handles his business.

I like Trout and actually think he's really good. That said, he doesn't have the pop to gain Canelo's respect and dissuade him from attacking, and he isn't as mobile as he needs to be to avoid this becoming a rough fight. I picked Canelo by tko, I think Canelo wears him down but it will definitely be an action fight.

I thought about this the second Khan was knocked out. I also feel like Garcia would get picked apart. Also, a few years ago I was disappointing when a Khan-Marquez fight fell through, now I'm even more upset because I see that Marquez would have sliced Khan to shreds.

Bundrage is solid but should be easily beaten and not ppv worthy. If canelo loses his stock plummets justifiably.

Anyone know the Mexican track he came out to?? Thanks http://youtu.be/MDbIC5zNsik I'm sure it was los rieleros, but I didn't catch the fight except on youtube. I think it's this one, El Invencible. He used it in the mayweather fight as well.

Garcia has got to be the favorite. But if the going gets rough, this kid might be in trouble.

So true about Vargas and David Reid. Would like to know the rational behind throwing them in with Tito A very young Vargas looked GREAT against Quartey, they thought he was ready.

The sport in itself will never die, but I'd be lying to you if I said it had the same overall appeal as it did in the 80s and 90s. A hardcore fan would say "Well Oscar vs Mayweather did 2.4 Million buys!!!". But in hindsight, what exactly has that done for the sport? Remember, that fight was supposed to "Bring Boxing Back!!". If you're a fan of the sport you'll see the new fighters flourish and continue to watch. That's all that really matters at the end of the day. I guess the media portrays the sport as dying because it doesn't have the mainstream appeal that others do here in the states. But at the end of the day, there's too much competition from other sports which are more friendly and marketable. Boxing is brutal and at the end of the day robberies and bad decisions also mar its image, but I think boxing fans have come to live with that while others would rather watch other sports which they consider more "civilized" and fair. I say **** them then. I will continue to watch boxing and know many others who will as well. I feel the same way when the American press says stuff about soccer being boring. Don't watch it then, you don't matter since half of the ****ing worlds population tunes in anyway. I guess I don't want to bring boxing back if it means changing the sport to conform to casual watchers, as long as they watch the occasional big ppv and know some big names the sport is fine. Of course I wouldn't mind more fair decisions and big fights being made, but that's just not in the cards lol.

His purse for that fight was 24K? Is he on crack? First time fighting professionally out of Argentina, Margarita wasn't highly regarded and he was undefeated. But he didn't know what the purse was but eventually came home with $900. He was just a working class kid who got worked by some ****ty managers.

His purse wasnt 24K I think Quintana's purse was 25K and he opened up a PPV that sold 1.5 mil buys At their level, a grand isnt far off You could be right, I can't verify the purse information. That is what he claimed though. And their fight was the co-feature though non televised.

Is there a fighter past or present that everyone always raved / raves about that you watch and just don't see what makes them special even though they may be winning fights or currently haven't fought stiff competition. The fighter can also be someone that did end up being terrible (Eddie Hopson) but only you saw it. I'll get a lot of heat for this but Im going with Fernando Vargas. Even though he was a really good fighter and I was proven wrong, when I watched him I just didn't see it. Announcers would talk about how fast he was and I would think...."no" They mismanaged Vargas. I never liked him, but throwing him in with Trinidad that young was stupid. He was ruined in that fight. He would have probably had a better career otherwise. I felt that way about Magic man paulie and Litzau, but they both eventually got creamed.

At least here in the States, Boxing in the 80s was very prominent because it was shown regularly on Network TV (ABC, NBC, etc) and it wasn't just your regular up and comers. Even as a young kid I saw Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Meldrick Taylor, etc on Network TV before HBO, Showtime and PPV business completely took over Boxing. That took away a lot of the viewers who weren't going to pay for HBO, Showtime, or buy a PPV to watch Boxing, and it wasn't just casual fans either. The cable industry and PPV in the States has a lot to do with the state of the sport, that's pretty clear. Even for some of the UK fans who get to see big fights on Sky Sports is like us watching a big fight on ESPN, but all we get there is Friday Night Fights (which I'm not mad at either). In relation to the UFC which has become widely popular here, they've recently signed a multi year deal with Fox, they have fight cards on the sister station FX on top of their regular PPVs. I have no doubt that's the direction Boxing needs to head to and Golden Boy are already lining that up (I believe with CBS). Boxing needs that prime time slot it once had to generate more interest in the sport. Sure, we'll always have the hardcore fans who will support, but if you want the sport to flourish even greater you need a bigger platform. Very true. In Mexico fights are televised on the two big national networks and draw insane ratings. It has to be said the cable companies definitely outbid the networks for big fights, but part of that has to do with ratings. Not that anything every will, but when you have super bowl like rating and the ad revenue streams in like that you will always be on network tv. It's all about money.

In JuanMa's defense he was definitely concussed and punch drunk when he gave that interview. I thought Grey was a bit of a dick for asking the guy again. He took a real severe head beating throughout the whole fight, I don't think he had his wits. I wish he would have been more classy but he was in a bad state. About the Gamboa fight, people who are saying he'd be steamrolled are forgetting that styles make fights. Gamboa is not a pressure fighter and also has a glass chin. I would still favor Gamboa because he's the more complete fighter but pre-Salido JuanMa (I fear he may be damaged goods now) would have definitely given him a good fight and possibly floored or stopped him. Remember, Gamboa has been down against VERY low quality fighters. Whoever is making Gamboa pull out of the Rios fight is doing him a favor, even if he wins that one he's going to take a beating that slick fighters don't recover from sometimes.

I think it depends on how long Cotto sticks around past his prime. Mosley has the fact that he cheated plus he's fought on at a much lower level, and I think our perception of him has dropped in the last three or four years. I personally think Mosley did more, although he definitely doped. I rooted for Cotto in every fight except the first Margarito fight and rate him higher because he doesn't have anything to tarnish any of his efforts.

When Roach tried to give JR advice jr said "ya ya ya" which is like enough enough, basically jr didn't ever respect him. If Roach has any balls he'll walk away. If he stays, he's a punk. Don't think he even got the chance to make a gameplan for this one.

Imagine this. mayweather smashes Guerrero, smashed two other fighters Canelo smashes Cotto, then smashes two other fighters THe hype is already built up for this fight, people are talking about the two....now imagine this hype after 2-3 wins from both fighters. It will be bigger than Mayweather-DLH, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ For sure. But I already know all those other fights are a given so I don't care for them.

He didn't gas? The 6th? Were you watching? By the end of the 4th Canelo was already slowing down. Its a fact the kid has down right sh1t stamina cause he has shown it vs way lesser opposition. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Let's put it this way. If Floyd is as confident as you, he'll make this fight by 1 month after may 4th. If the fight is made I'll wager 50% of my points (you take me) and if Floyd wins you take the rest. if not, (June 4th you give 50% of current, after fight rest) the opposite. You down?

As a Mexican I can tell you it was much closer than the judges scored it. But, the right man won, and beat a slick southpaw at a game that he wasn't supposed to. This kid is 22 and showed he is capable of a versatility in the ring we haven't seen against a top notch fighter. Trout is the ****ing man, but Canelo just picked his pocket.

Canelo is a miniature Tommy Morrison. Chavez Jr. would eat him for breakfast. LMAO. No way. Martinez killed him. Molina took him to school twice. He kills himself to make 160. Canelo kills the kid. Martinez v Canelo sways to Martinez at this moment. Chavez? No way.

THIS ^^^^^^^:werd: I actually think Canelo showed a wrinkle in the game NOBODY expected. I'm not disappointing in either guy. Both showed to be top notch. I'll see how people feel after trout gets his hands on a Angulo/kirkland type.

Well, you bring up another point that's worth arguing on its own as well without the context of the Trout-Canelo bout. Public announcement of scorecards do take away from the intrigue as well as the in-fight adjustments that corners and fighters have to make... I have Trout winning. I still say it's a robbery... I don't think scoring it for Trout is inconceivable. I scored it for Canelo. Had trout got a decision, I would have thought it was wrong but not felt it was a robbery. My card was very close so I can respect that, if you give a couple of rounds where i saw big punches as decisive over small punch activity, Trout gets it. I'm not hating on Trout's performance. Just don't think he committed as he should have, But i think it was because Canelo threw him a nasty curve ball.

I'm not reading his mind. I'm simply responding to your analysis on how Trout's Christian faith could have played a role in his surprising non-reaction to the bout. Again, he was busier and landed more according other posters' references to Compubox. Sure, we all admit that Canelo does hit harder, but it still doesn't explain the crazy official scores. Again, like I said, Canelo may have landed LESS, but the shots he did land were harder because that's part of his overall MO. We don't disagree fights should be scored fairly. I scored it 7-5 (10-8 on kd), so I had a close decision for Canelo. Point is, I thought Canelo won. No lie, Trout is a truly talented fighter and remarkable sportsman, but I though he got outplayed at his own game by a conventional fighter not daunted by a southwpaw. Going forward, would love to see Trout take anyone else at 154 on the school bus, but Canelo proved he's not that kid, guys for real.

If this is true. The money is there. The will is there. Same promoter. Floyd will do eat. Easy Money, right? For some reason, I doubt it will happen. (younger, naturally bigger guy ((nobody smaller than floyd has a chance)) who just showed he can outfox a full fledged 154 lb southpaw and drop him). To me, floyd is a top 5 all time who can take this fight and go beyond that (win, and become th GOAT). This will tell a lot.

Thank you for agreeing. But based on this agreement, how can you sensibly agree to the scorecards put out there?? Wrong is WRONG. The judges were looking to commit a robbery. If anything, it was Trout outplaying Canelo at his own game. After the first public announcement of the scores, Trout changed his gameplan and became more aggressive and busier. Canelo, surprisingly, wasn't the better aggressor for a majority of the fight... Wrong is Wrong, but my 115-112 card doesn't change the end result. I actually think the public announcement ruined our chance at a more dramatic end. Like I said, I truly admire Trout and don't rule out that he would have finished stronger, but those cards allowed Canelo to cruise at the end. Inversely, what if no cards meant Canelo felt a need to pressure Trout and finished him. We don't know. What we saw we know. And I scored that for Canelo.

It's a bad fight boxing wise, it would probably just be a passing of the torch (Never rule out the upset though). Business wise it makes sense and builds for a huge showdown and creates a ppv profile for Canelo. For me though, the same way I don't give a **** about Floyd's pockets I don't care for Canelo's. He should fight the Lara/Angulo winner or Ishe Smith and totally unify. That's why boxing is a business first, sucks for people who love boxing and don't just dick ride a fighter or nationality.

I said some. Oscar, Floyd and Roy were all massively hyped fighters. And they were all at least a class above what canelo is at when they were his age. At 22 Oscar De La Hoya had only beat a few undersized vets (Ruelas, Hernandez, Molina) and gotten a close, probably gift decision vs John John Molina (average champ contender). Canelo has beaten those same type of fighters as well as true champ at 154 Trout (who in my mind has staying power and will rebound). Floyd had only beaten Genaro Hernandez (Fading Champion). Look at Cotto's ascension and he didn't get a shot until he was older (also had tough fights with Pinto and Torres which but doubt in him). Not to diminish the accomplishments of either of the other three, because they are great and went on to do even greater things. But at this stage in their careers, Canelo is far more advanced, having faced more former and current champions than either. The big difference is amateur background, those guys had Olympic experience. To me, that's why canelo is so popular, his amateur career was actually a pro career which has seen him televised for years now. And most importantly, he has won all his fights. Until Trout (which I think he won close but clear), nothing has ever even been disputed either. His trajectory is ridiculously fast, the question is can he take the next step, solid title defenses and then dethroning a ppv king? I'm not sure.

While I agree that Oscar and Golden Boy was out of line, you have to handle it like a professional. Its great to say that he should have called him out but he should be grateful he is even here this weekend. Most guys with his track record would have been cast aside by now. Oscar is essentially his boss, you don't come to your boss like that. In my profession I started at the bottom out of college and now I call a lot of the shots. I didn't get here by blowing up my superiors when they may have been out of line. Doesn't mean you have to bow down but there is a time and a place to handle those things. How is Judah going to feel after he gets sparked and Golden Boy decides not to do business with him again? You think he is going to be saying "yeah at least I didn't punked at that press conference yo!" Doubt it.... Zab is not an up and comer looking for respect. He's been in the business for a long time and got this shot because he still has a name (worth more than his current state). I would say he was really disrespected and decided to approach the guy who did it and rectify the situation. Look at Trout, family left out of Cotto weigh in and then flown coach while canelo gets first class, but he loses so him just keeping quiet doesn't do **** for him. Fans appreciate his classiness and style but don't bet on him getting another shot unless promoters have absolutely no choice. How he carries himself does very little in their books, hell they keep Angel Garcia around and he's scum.

Angel is ****ing garbage. Zab has come a long way, he's a good dude now who has handled his **** and is in a good place. I hope Zab puts Danny to sleep bc his dad is so damn annoying, but I don't think it will happen.

Martinez is slick but his style lends itself for someone who has power and throws a lot of punches to hurt and stop him. Both fighters have improved a lot since they last fought, but Margarito is still the tougher guy and Martinez hasn't stepped up to world class all this time.