Mosley is old, so the first rounds were his biggest chance. Mayweather can't handle getting tag more than that or else its lights out for him. Lucky for him he didn't face him three years ago. People who believe you get better when you're getting old must be drinking to much wine.
Well I commented on this before I just wasn't in the mood to start arguing about. On the other hand if Pac was on something and stopped taking it for the Floyd fight and lost than who would've Floyd have beaten? Not the same Pacquio. Of course he will take credit for it like if Pac was the same fighter that beat everyone else. Thats why I rather Pac not take the test. If Floyd believes Pac is on something and lays off it for his fight than he knows he's not fighting the same fighter. And we will all be cheated on thinking he did because we have no prove. If Floyd truly believe he could beat Pac he wouldn't care about the test. Why would he?
Martinez has fought K.Cintron, P.Williams and K.Pavlik and people are still complaining.
He obviously feels comfortable in that weight and moving up and down in weight isn't good for a fighter.
Cottos done pretty great despite fighting a prime Pac a tough Clottey and a loaded prime Margarito. Ofcourse after fighting so many battles and being hurt with plaster and moving up in weight he would never be the same fighter he was 5 years ago.
Floyd Mayweather didn't fight him at 147 before Cotto got beat and the same goes when Mayweather fought Ortiz, Mitchell. He fought guys that were old and got knocked out. Mayweather waited for Cotto too slow down and Cotto isn't nearly now the same fresh fighter like he was before. Cotto was more like Canelo Alvarez in the sense that he wasn't just good his body was still strong. But I guaranteed if Mayweather continues fighting at this pace against strong fighters with out resting a year or two he too would get soften up. If he would've done this by now he would've been knocked out.
Think about it, Mayweather had face beaten up, imagine if after that just 5 month going against a prime loaded Margarito, afterwards Clottey than Pacquiao. None of these fighter were broken down or old. Cotto fought tough fighters one after another with very little rest in between, Mayweather wouldn't be able to keep that up he's record is tainted with boxers that used to be something, but slow down considerably. Fighting guys in different weights after they got knocked out a couple of times is not the same.
But would he fight a young tough "lion"? May be after the young "Lion" got shot and is wounded
I think Floyd has no interest in having to defend the belt, because he would likely vacant it if he's force to fight a Margarito or someone that inspires him fear.
Shane wanted the fight more than Mayweather.
So your "Mayweather never fightingdudes at the peak of their career" argument goes right out the window.
Mayweather probably wanted, but didn't, for whatever reason it was.
Shane wanted the fight as much as he wanted to fight Pacquioa, De La Hoya and any fighter who's on top.
Lucky? He would have won without the KO.
Mayorga is a shot fighter and still gave Mosley a lot of trouble. Check out the fight again and see for yourself. If Mayorga could do that to Mosley over 2 years ago , why are people making so much of a fuzz about Mayweather beating an old fighter who had a 16 months lay-off? Mayweather never fights his opponents during the peak of their career, but at the end. Same can be said about other fighters, I'm just speaking the truth.
Credit for beating an aging 38 year old that had a 16 month lay-off that was lucky to beat Mayorga? Sure he gets credit for winning, but Mosley isn't the same fighter he was three years ago. And theres always the possibility he was using some sort of substance before, but stopped just to fight Floyd.
Cotto is quite fragile now. I also have no doubt Margarito would've beaten Pac had he used Plaster of Paris, even with out them he had Pac hurt. However he probably cheated again and he was at a higher weight, but that didn't give him the power the bricks did.
I believed he would've despite he was stronger at 150, but thats the Cotto of now the one Margarito soften up with plaster, because even Pac would've lost if Margarito had the extra power from the bricks and I'm sure Pac wouldn't be the same fighter after that.
Margarito landed enough punches, but he had to put more power into them, against Cotto he didn't have to swing so hard to hurt him. But we also don't know if Margarito was taking some **** like Roach said. Once a cheater always a cheater.
different weight's and Pacquiao doesn't have mosley reach advantage that permitted Mosley from hitting Margarito while not risking getting hit back as easlily. Mosley hurt him from a distance than went in for the kill.
No one will be shocked everyone expects it. If Mosley was two years younger he would've knocked Floyd. I mean old Mosley hurt Mayweather worse than any other top fighter he 's faced not named Margarito. Theres no doubt a younger Mosley would've knocked Floyd.
If the fight is kept clean and they prevent Floyd from grabbing Pac, floyd would need a miracle to win. Thats assuming Pac's clean, because if he was cheating and stops using it for the Mayweather fight than he isn't the same Pac. If Floyd thinks he can beat him it's because he hoping Pac is taking steroids and will stop doing so for his their fight. If Floyd really believed he had no problem beating Pac he wouldn't be asking for the test. I even believe Mosley stopped using steroids for the Floyd fight, because he looked weak even though he hurt Mayweather he didn't look as strong as when he fought Margarito.
I thought Floyd should've fought someone else in the first place.
But after Mayweather saw Berto vs Ortiz he figure Ortiz was already soften and wouldn't take much punishment in another fight before getting knocked out. Ortiz was almost knocked out vs Berto and even though you can't see it a fighter is never the same after that especially when they fight big fights to consistantly. To many knock downs keep taking a toll on your brain. Berto who lost would 've knocked him this time around the same way Martinez fight was easier the second time vs Paul Williams. P. Williams was also soften up by the first fight.
Floyd did something similar to Arturo Gatti.
The ref said break Gatti listened, but Floyd continue punching him and knocked him down what would eventually cause Gatti to lose a lot quicker. When a fighter doesn't expect to be punched the punch will do a lot more damage. Floyd did it before and he did it again. It's quite obvious floyd is also a dirty fighter always has been grabbing and punching vs both J. Marquez and Ricky Hatton. The guy would punch a 60 year man or a his own wife. He belongs in the UFC where almost everthing is allowed.
floyd said before the fight he wanted to punish hatton...thats why
Thats BS he would've knocked him out earlier if he could. Mayweather always comes up with stories after the result. He celebrated his win like he couldn't believe he ended the fight sooner. He was fearful of Hatton power, but after looking bad in the beginning rounds he was lucky Hatton didn't use any defense.
Mayweather can box, but he's not a dominant fighter. Infact I believe theres a chance he wasn't even hurt during his training to fight Marquez. He just anticipating his next fight and wants to have a rest advantages against either Cotto or Pacquiao. Or else he would've been fighting again in November.
Manny has no power.
The Hatton shot was a lucky punch against a chinny hypejob.
Get off his sack Puas you ass kisser.
I wouldn't say lucky when you have speed and a sitting duck in front of you.
He would eventually get him only the thing Hatton could very well have been knocked out by a body shot.
Cotto better KO pac. If cotto can't KO a former 106 lber, he needs to quit boxing. I mean pac has been stopped 2x by nobodies and gotten outboxed by morales. If cotto, with his size advantage and skill advantage can't KO pac, he really needs to consider retirement.
Jmm on the other hand is screwed.
Yeah, but one thing about Morales is that he has or had enough good speed to match with Pacquiao own speed. Plus morales is also a good puncher and has a better stamina than Cotto. Those two elements Being speed and stamina are questionable for Cotto when he goes up against Pacquiao. Pacquiao will be looking to fight from a distance and of course if he sees an opening charge in.
If Cotto can't get to him early he might be in trouble.
it's a harsh sport...it's pretty funny seeing people call Cotto a shot fighter, even after he beats an elite fighter like Clottey...I don't get it
Not only has Miguel Cotto been in battles with top fighters like Clottey & Mosley, but he was punish by Plaster from fighting Margarito. He was receiving almost two punches in one. Now he has a cut around his eyebrow that opens up easily.
I don't recall much fighters that been battered and been through many wars without losing. Cotto won most of the fights, but do you really think he can hold a pounding again for twelve rounds without giving in? I don't think his body can withstand the same punishment and still end a fight. Bottom line is I don't think he's the same fighter he was before I can't see him having much success as he gets older compared to fighters like Mosley etc. just because he's been in to many battles where he's been hurt. Hurt, which is the key word here.
Shane Mosley couldn't beat Winky Wright which is one of the less dangerous in the list why should Cotto be ask if he could beat any of them. Mosley is now older and he's still a threat to Berto, Mayweather Jr. and others. Not many people thought Margarito had a chance against Cotto yet Cotto was able to withstand many rounds being hit by bricks.
All those fighters are much taller than Cotto, Cotto pretty good for his size, but I wouldn't compare him to Manny Pacquiao who's is one of the greatest fighters.
If he beats Cotto or not he's still should be consider the better fighter, because it is only Mannys size that puts any doubt in peoples minds that he might lose the fight. If Manny were 3 inches taller he probably would be a threat to Paul Williams.
Cotto would've done much better against Clottey before he fought Margarito. now he gets easily bruised up. He even gets cut easily. You can tell Cotto had a mark on his eyebrow before he got cut by Clottey. He doesn't seem the same fighter he was before. He showed more when he fought judah and he was hurt too, but he had alot more left. Now he doesn't seem to be able to recover well enough.
More than the style I like boxers who take on all the best prime fighters and still have winning records. Ofcourse prime fighters in even terms I dont like excuses made up by weights classes or some other BS.
Nah, Cotto won the fight he won the beginning rounds and the last couple of rounds. At most the fight could've been 6 rounds even, but cotto gets another point first the first round for putting Clottey in the canvas. Cotto sometimes gives too much in one round when he should be saving some of that energy. As long as you're winning the round you can stop punching and save that energy for the next one. Cotto sometime gives too much than ends up tired. The cut could affected his vision, but not his condition.
Pac can be too strong with his punches that come from blazing speeds. Too many of pacquiao right hooks could turn out to be too much power for Cotto. While cotto will have the task to try to catch up to Pacman. If Cotto can get to pacmans body early while staying in good condition for the whole fight he can win. I say both fighters have the ability to beat the other, but you never what they will bring to the table. I see Cotto being similiar or better than marquez except marquez is in better condition while Cotto has better speed than Marquez and is more active at this stage in their careers.
Oscar d la hoya was already looking old and losing weight wasn't going to make him stronger. And everyone knew Pacquiao had the speed, but what no one knew for sure was if Pacquiao would keep that speed and power moving up in weight.
Thats where he surprised everyone. He looked stronger and still kept his speed. So even though De la Hoya was weak it wasnt as big of a surprise as Pacquiao looking stronger without losing his speed. I thought he(Pac) come up less cut up, but he still looked completely ripped. Amazing for a fighters that has been moving up in weight from about 108 pounds.
Random observation...
I wonder if there is some type of rule being broke when Jones touched his shoe. Something could have transferred from his shoe to his glove making his glove more capable of causing scratches or cuts. Of course that's the reason the ref wipes off the gloves if they touch the canvas.
Interesting. Gloves get sweaty if it picks up a small rock i'm sure the rival can feel that.
Is that wrong?
If thats the case I guess you'll be watching a 4th fight between them.
Most fans that want to see Marquez vs Pacquiao 3 is because they're waiting for Marquez to finally win, but if he does then Manny could likely ask for fight #4.