Every thread you start is either praising Canelo to the sky or attacking Crawford, GGG, Spence, Loma or some other good boxer. You are a hateful annoying poster who contributes nothing positive only negative hateful stuff. Crawford cleaned out and unified 140. Not to many boxers can say they took a divided division and won all the belts and completely unified that division. Your big hero Canelo has never done that. Not even close.
What a nice way of saying he beat Dulorme, Postol and Indongo to unify the pathetic 140 div, while beating tomato cans like Dierry Jean and John Molina in between his title fights at 140. Kell Brook (post GGG version), Mikey Garcia and Shawn Porter or Indongo, Dulorme and Postol, mmmm, I wonder which list of victories was more impressive.......... Lets not even bring Canelo in the convo, his W completely stomps Crawford's W in the 140 Div.
Canelo (future IBHOF)
Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales
JLC (future IBHOF, maybe, I think 1 of JLC, Corrales or Hernandez eventually gets in)
Gatti
Zab Judah
ODLH ( IBHOF)
Hatton ****future IBHOF)
V.Ortiz
JMM (IBHOF)
Mosely (Future IBHOF)
R Guerrero
M.Cotto (future IBHOF)
Maidana
Pac (future IBHOF)
Berto
Not a Floyd fan at all but I have to admit that, that is a pretty deep resume with about 7-9 IBHOF/future IBHOF (not including Gatti who got in because of the excitement he brought rather than his ring accomplishments) in their. That is much more impressive when you compare his resume with the current gen of top WW boxers, Crawford's best win for example was against a blown up Gamboa, Postol and a battle worn Khan, none of those 3 guys would even sniff the HOF.
Im' sorry but if Lamont Peterson, Junior Witter, Kendall Holt, Luis Abregu and Miguel Vazquez aren't categorized as "real opponents" according to Davis, then what does that say about his own resume? I really can't believe he said that without thinking it could easily back fire on him.
thanks for the link, but saying and doing are often two very different things.. just my opinion, and i do know boxing.
davis doesn't deserve a big pay day like that.
pac can fight other guys, he fought a guy, bradley with lil ko power. he also fought algieri, and a lot of guys that lacked the power needed.
i still am amazed pac came back after JMM4 nearly killed him.. impressive..
Mayweather is really being extra careful with him after how quickly the Broner hype was killed by Maidana, I'm expecting more of the same from him until a big $ fight comes up which they couldn't resist or the media/fan expectations becomes overwhelming.
Give me your answers there if you don't mind...not to mention that Gamboa is on a 3 fight win streak himself...that was to your point of being capable of beating a top 10 fighter in their division...maybe he can't, he is at 135 now...but at 130 he probably could...I don't know if Cotto could have beaten a real top 10 MW on even terms though either.
You have to look at the quality of Gamboa's opponent thou and how Gamboa actually won. Sosa was one of the worst robberies in recent memory just check at the fans scorecards at eye of the ring.com, Miguel Beltran is a journeyman and Roman Martinez is shot himself and was previously inactive for about 3 years.
Rating them with numbers is kinda messy but I'll try to describe them in words any way.
Mosely- first ballot Hall of Fame/borderline ATG, (vs Canelo- over the hill) (vs Floyd- past prime)
Cotto- no brainer HOF, vs Canelo- past prime + out of his effective weight class
Kovalev- likely not a HOF, but was a top 10p4p at his prime/near prime vs Canelo- past prime
Pac- True ATG, Pac/Floyd- past prime
Gamboa- definitely not a HOF, top 20 p4p at his peak
Current Gamboa- over the hill at least, possibly shot.
past prime- on a 10 point scale, around 2 (possibly more) points lower than their prime score
over the hill- around 4 points lower than their prime score
shot- journeyman level/low level contender at this point, even a gatekeeper like Sadam Ali or Granados should present a tougher challenge.
Gamboa has been washed up for 5 years now, he even got absolutely dominated by journeyman Castellanos in 2017. At least Cotto and Kovalev were still high caliber fighters who were capable of beating top 10 ranked MW/LHW fighters when Canelo faced them. Not to mention, at their respective peak, Gamboa was not as highly regarded as Cotto and Kovalev were.
The Sadam Ali fight was more than 2 years after the Cotto vs Canelo match, Cotto was pretty much semi retired by then.
How bias of you to not even mention Tank, I mean did you not see his performance almost 3 years ago when he TKO'd Jose Pedraza in 7 rounds? That win alone should guarantee him a spot in the top 5 for next decade no matter who he fights next.
how do you know pac makes 140 easily?
you make a statement, and i am asking you to substantiate your claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HN_iwCTXb8
Manny said he can still make 140, but 135 on the other hand is too much. If true, that opens up a lot of possibilities for potential matches.
Pac wouldn't gain much credit from winning against AJ, people here are just going to spout how Pac is going against another name fighter coming off a loss. Pac vs Juan Francisco Estrada would do more for his legacy and the naysayers would have no choice but to give Pac his credit if he were to win as Pac would be facing a prime, p4p caliber fighter, who is currently ridding high in Juan Francisco.
Mcgregor is a true entertainer, many casual fans tune in to his fights because of the story he creates leading up to the event. It really is something when you get all these fans super excited for a Mcgregor press conference, where as, fans usually just ignore these type of events considering the robotic, boring answers most of these other fighters give.
I dont care much about these talks of class and all, boxing could really use a guy like him, boxers in the past the likes of Tyson, Duran and Ali really brought a lot of excitement with them during their time and their "strong" personality was a big reason why.
Also lets not use $$ as proof of star power, its very well documented that Dana and the UFC loves to take the profits away from their fighters. Whenever someone thinks of MMA, UFC is the first thing to come to mind, whenever one thinks of boxing, Top Rank or PBC wouldn't even be in the top 10. UFC holds most of the top fighters and is the only MMA promotion who can create big fights, any fighter who wants to star relevant in the MMA scene better play by the UFC's rules, that is why the disparity of MMA fighters vs boxers is always a hot topic.
Hard for me to get excited for this considering Redkach got KO'd by John Molina just over 2 years ago. Couldn't Garcia had pick someone like Josesito or Vargas if he wanted a stay busy tune up fight, this match just looks pointless to me.
same Mexican boxer that got handled by every Black fighter he ever faced, especially Freddie Norwood. It doesn't surprise me that he's now cucking for Crawford instead of his own.
My memory is very foggy, but was Derrick Gainer and Joel Casamayor forced to bleach their skin against JMM so that, he wouldn't be so starstruck when he fought them?
1) Pac Man
2) Fighting Harada
3) Khaosai Galaxy
4) Jung Koo Chang
5) Flash Elorde/Pancho Villa
I think Donaire definitely gets in if he pulls a miraculous win over the Monster.
Didn't Margarito broke Pac's ribs and busted his hips? I remember reading how Pacquaio was in a lot of pain the morning after the fight and even on his interviews this year, he always cites the Margarito fight as one of the most physically damaging fight in his career.
"**** the franchise champion bollocks . Someone make up a belt for boxers talking **** on twitter gervontaa can unify that division"
Even Gervonta's twitter followers are going hard on him.
Good post add pac to that list too man.
Actually at least Tank was willing to conceived that it was starting from Bradley's 27th fight (which was Devon Alexander), that Bradley started taking "real opponents." Its just a very odd statement to make from someone like Tank whose only decent opponent thus far in his career was Jose Pedraza.
Joel Casamayor, Rocky Juarez, Orlando Salido, Manuel Madina and Derrick Gainer are all good/great, boxers/ boxer punchers.
Pac Man isn't exactly the easiest "come forward guy" to counter either, the prime version of Pac that Marquez went to battle with had some of the most complex footwork and body/head movement you'll see in boxing, combine with his non stop pressure. I mean, the man is still boxing at a high level in his 40s despite fighting world class level oppositions for around decades now, he wasn't very easy to hit.
On the other hand, Ugas barely beat the WW version of Dulorme and only won because of the 2 point deductions the refs handed on Dulorme (Dulorme would have won had it not been for the deduction).
Dulorme on the other hand had a hard fought battle and eventually drew with Jessie Vargas
Jessie Vargas prior to the Dulorme fight fought and arguably should have lost a close bout against Adrien Broner.
So it is safe to say that Broner is at least a top 3 WW, if not the best WW in the world base on these compelling evidence.
Oh and don’t forget Crawford also KOed that same Dulorme who gave Ugas and Vargas problems. Making Crawford > Ugas and Vargas
Oh one more thing. Spence refused to fight Ugas so that means Crawford > Spence too. Crawford should be the #1 WW undoubtedly
Yea but Abregu stopped an undefeated Dulorme
And prime Timmy Bradley pretty much dominated Abregu
So that must mean prime Timmy is much better than today's WW. Case closed no more debates.
Sir do you really think Thurman is that same beast that pummeled Guerrero? I was watching the Charlo/Harrison special, dude(Thurman) was saying he gonna be out for months because of his hand surgery out of shape with a pot belly.
So Thurman is a shot fighter because of that 1 round against Josesito? Don't forget something similar happened against the pre injured version of Thurman against a faded Luis Collazo before, so its not like that was a first for Keith. Thurman for some reason, is somewhat prone to getting caught by a clean punch from much lesser fighters, maybe its over confidence or a lack of focus, but either way, he didn't showed the same carelessness against Porter and Garcia when he beat them, both of whom were clearly higher quality fighters compare to either mean machine or Lopez.
BTW, other than that round he was caught, Thurman won what should have been a very, clear UD. Most viewers had Keith winning at least 9 rounds, the judge who scored the bout a draw was either incompetent or corrupt, dont believe me, check the GDT of that fight on this forum, many posters here was rightly criticizing that judge for his awful scorecard.
4 decade champ, I mean how does Pac even keep himself motivated after all this time? A big reason why a fighter slow down is because they lose that fire they use to have when they were still an unknown prospect and as a result, you have guys who reach their peak in their mid 20s and proceed to go downhill from their. When a boxer reaches their goal of a title at such an early age, its not very uncommon for them to lose focus, the mental part is arguably a bigger factor of fighter sliding out of their prime in their 20s and early 30s than the physical part.
Wrong. I can probably beat George Foreman today but that doesn't mean I wouldn't get my ass kicked by Anthony Joshua. You can make your argument about size when Canelo fights Beterbiev or Bivol and ko's them with ease
Even a 70 year old Foreman would put in you in a body stretcher, don't fool yourself.
Pac after having just 1 fight at 135, was required to move up 2 more weight classes for that fight, its very hard for a fighter to move up 3 weight classes in such a short period of time. Its like after Pac proved that he can be pretty dominant at WW, that people suddenly forgot how ridiculous the fans and media though of the fight and how much criticism ODLH received for such a blatant cherry pick opponent.