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Those are really cool, you have real skill. do you have some more?

I think so, he's still young and can improve. He doesn't have to become an ATG or anything, there is an opportunity here that this humiliating loss puts some stuff into perspective for him, and he can rededicate himself to boxing and eliminate a bunch of his immature antics... that or he never really rises above it and becomes a "whatever happened to...". I hope its the former because I like boxing.

who's saying he has anything to prove? the only time i see people talking about proof is when it comes to the hypothetical mayweather fight and frankly i'm not convinced that that fight would "prove" anything to any of the zealots.

This is one of those fights where I was having problems figuring out how it will play out and who will come out victorious. I was leaning towards Judah but the more I watch their recent fights, I think I am starting to lean towards Malignaggi. The Magic Man seems more willing and it's still sharp enough, whereas with Judah we saw flashes of his mythical heart in the Garcia fight but aside from that I haven't seen enough to sway me his way. I have to go with Malignaggi. Ha I'm pretty much with you here, judah pretty much has a career full of flashes he should have been a photographer. I'm picking Malignaggi on points, but if judah narrowly takes it my mind wont be blown or anything.

^^ lol took me a minute I could buy this list, at first I thought mma for sure, but i guess this list was made before the mma explosion.

I like this, its an interesting stat. I think that doing something similar with the opponents is a good idea too. Obviously this cant tell you everything that you need to know about an era or a fighter, but it can tell you something and I think that is really enough to make it worth doing. I appreciate your work here and look forward to seeing the rest.

Idk, bradley seems to be doing a normal amount of trash talk to hype up a big fight...i mean so far as i can tell he hasn't said anything racist or disrespectful or especially weird, just normal fight stuff basically. Anyway I dont think he's gonna knock pac out...i mean unless Pac's chin was very significantly weakened by marquez. Rios didn't test it, hopefully Bradley will because i am curious about it myself.

I'm a long(ish) time lurker here, dont really post much because this place is chock full of racists, gay jokes/accusations, conspiracy theories and extremely dumb people arguing with each other about "facts" when they don't have the slightest inkling of how to recognize, collect, decipher or utilize information. In these ways this place doesn't look much different than the rest of the internet. Anyway, even with all of that this site does keep me apprised of what is going on in boxing and I have read opinions/posts that imo were worth reading. It allows me to think about boxing for a little bit, stretch those pathways...so I keep it on the rotation of sites I check. Anyway a Mayweather fight I caught channel surfing got me into boxing in the early 2000's. Funnily enough prior to that I didn't like boxing much because I thought it was boring if no one got knocked out or it took to long for knockouts haha. anyway, idc about race or really anything outside of the ring, that is still boring to me. (well trash talk is fun between boxers/trainers and such)anyway...yeah racism sucks. good thread btw, these are some of the realest , most sincere and cogent answers i've ever seen on this forum.

now where were we, yeah about two judges scoring the whole 12 rounds exactly the same what are the chances of that happening? you said it was highly. can you give how much high like what percentage. I can see that you dont understand what is wrong with this question. I'm going to help you anyway. First you should go Google as many random boxing score cards as you can (Google should always be your first option, Google would have nipped this thread in the bud) . Now look at all of those rounds and count the times in each fight that the judges scored each round the same. If you want to get fancy you can tally how many times 2 judges agree and how many all 3 agree individually. Now take that (or those) number(s) and divide it by the total number of rounds. once you have those numbers, move your decimal point 2 places to the right and now you have the average percentage of times 2 or 3 judges scored a round the same. Generally speaking the more fights you do this the more accurate your average will be. Of course if you can ask yourself under what circumstances judges that are watching the same fight might score a round exactly the same then you could probably save a bunch of time, but hey...either way if you put the work in , you should be able to answer your own question.

wow, that is bigger than i expected...I thought the fight was just okay, but man with that many casual eyes, if they would have even given us a "pretty good" fight this thing could have been legendary. they literally blew their chance to have a truly legendary night....probably blew every boxer's chance for the next 15-20 years

you typed all this, when you could simply wrote USADA a request of the videos. see how your logic works? I was actually trying to help you. good luck.

So how would being a retiree living "a bit comfortably" make you wealthier than someone on here who has a job? For all you know they could make more a year in interest than your entire retirement fund yet still be employed in some capacity. see, now would be the perfect time to demand video evidence, official bank statements w-2's.

Rath, Well, if you are suspicious of apparent lack of video (or at least it doesn't appear to be not readily available) for all of the USADA tests performed over the course of the testing period for this fight; it seems that is an issue one would take up with the USADA. If you are actually serious i'd suggest contacting the USADA about the videos. Perhaps they can give you information about why they either do not require (or maybe even prohibit) such videos or do not release them to the public. I've noticed that at least some fraction of your questions could be answered with a little bit of research. Anyway, surely you realize that this board is full of (generally or entirely) fans with no more special access to information/videos than you, and no more ability to affect change in the boxing business or athletic drug testing arenas. If you actually want something done first gather your own evidence, attempt to get your own questions answered by the organizations that could reasonably be expected to answer them, and if you still have issues , why not file complaints with them instead of demanding answers and actions from people who neither have the information nor the standing. just my couple cent.

thanks but i did not ask for it. if i needed one you will not be the one i will be asking. If you needed "one" of what? who would you ask for "one"? Where were you born? Where do you live now?

Floyd has video of the meeting with Pac on Pac's hotel - Floyd showed it to the publicc Floyd has a pic ot his alleged aborted twins with Ms. Jackson - Floyd showed it to the public Floyd ha a pic of the winning ticket he made a bet with - Floyd showed it to the public Floyd has a video of him burning money - Floyd showed it to the public Floyd has video of him throwing money - Floyd showed it to the public Floyd has video of him with his cars - Floyd showed it to the public If I understand the point you are trying to make, then it seems you should be asking Floyd, or at least his production company/publicists if there are videos of the USADA testing and if they can be made public. All Access has a video of Floyd doing cryo therapy - All Access showed it to the public 19 tests performed by USADA - all access does not have a single video of Floyd doing that tests all 19 of them? why do they call themselves all access when they don't even have access to Floyd doing random drug testing and taking video of it? again, sure contact showtime, It seems reasonable that they could possess such videos if they do indeed exist. You want me to ask USADA for those Videos? yes, why not? I mean the first thing I would do is check their website, their regulations and bylaws and stuff to see if they even have a public stance on Video recordings of their testing. After you search what you can on your own, then yes you could inquire about the videos with the USADA. There are lots of Floyd fans who can find the most oldest videos of Floyds and post it here. There are lots of Floyd fans who can find every single gifs made about him and post it here There are lots of Floyd fans making gifs of Floyd and post it here I'm pretty sure that you could too, anyone can search google/youtube and come up with 99% of the results that fanatics would bring to the table. Not a single one can find Floyd's video being randomly drug tested by USADA and post it here? Why not one of them asked USADA for the video and post it here to shut me up? You want the videos, you want the answers to questions, but all you seem to be willing to do is ask someone else to do the work for you. I dont think a single "Floyd Fan" is as concerned with finding these hypothetical videos as you are so I am not surprised that no one is emailing and calling various organizations to find them (or find out if they exist) for you. As I said before if you are seriously seeking information, then you need to go the extra mile... at this point you seem to feel entitled to have other people running around researching questions that are only really worth it to you. Its sort of like walking into a McDonalds and claiming Big Macs taste just like human ****. Then demanding that one of the employees eat a big mac and then eat a turd for comparison and then report the similarities in flavor to you....you are the one who takes the question seriously, so you buy a big mac, eat it, then eat a turd and then you can feel either vindicated when the flavors are indistinguishable...or pretty silly when you realize that you just ate **** for not reason.

Can't say I know what the future holds for him , but so far he's been a pleasure to watch and seems to have the right attitude (he mentioned after his last fight that he needs to earn a p4p spot by facing and beating p4p fighters). He's talented, skilled, young,and exciting to watch so I look forward to watching how he develops as he faces better and better competition. he also has a very early pro loss which could help to keep both himself and boxing fans honest.

The article even said four vials, somehow he knows better. From the USADA website: During the blood collection process, a number of vacutainer tubes of blood could be drawn, but keep in mind, less than one tablespoon of blood will be drawn. After the relevant vacutainer tubes are filled with blood, the BCO will label each tube with the corresponding sample code number for the security bottles, confirming with the athlete that each tube was labeled appropriately. usada.org/testing/sample-collection-process/blood/#tab-1393456224289-4-4 A "vial" is not a unit of measurement, a tablespoon is less than 15 ml. A vial (or vacutainer, which for all intents is a kind of vial) can have a volume of less than 1ml, although in this case they probably used 3~4ml vials considering the sample size. "4 vials" is not a meaningful way to measure the amount of material taken.

I guess that depends really. You could lose a lopsided UD, but not take very much punishment or you could get the living **** beat out of you for 12 rounds. I imagine a 12 round beating could physically take a bigger toll than knockout in round 3. So I say physically it depends on the situation...actually psychologically too I guess.....but if it were just me in my imaginary boxing career then getting knocked out seem far more spectacular, people would replay that ****, make gifs and vines, memes and probably make up a term for how I hilariously crumpled to the canvas. Every interview they would play that **** and ask "hey remember that time you got KTFO".A knockout is the perfect bite sized content to repeat forever... whereas a long protracted UD there may be nothing in particular to point to, just the general notion that I wasn't as good as the other guy. SO for me personally, i'd rather lose the UD.

May the best man win. I'd rather the better and more skilled fighter win... hence why I'm rooting for Floyd. I like Manny but I can't stand his deluded emotional fans. I also don't like the Mayweather fans that believe in "white privilege" doe. I don't care about who they are outside the ring like most of these fanboys... it's boxing. The same people that call Floyd a woman beater like Mike The Rapist Tyson ffs lol... smh. I pretty much feel the same way, I think Mayweather is the better fighter, so I want him to win. I guess I do have some nostalgic attachment to Mayweather as a fighter too because his fight against Ndou was the first fight I ever got into and began to appreciate boxing.

I've always felt that his "money" villain persona was largely a marketing strategy. He's a guy with very limited public speaking aptitude and very little in the way of charisma or charm (that in itself doesn't make him or anyone a bad person, just not that interesting or attractive as a public figure ). From the perspective of trying to build a public image from that, he has few options. He could basically play the silent type and not say much at all which is pretty safe as an image, and is IMO what "pretty boy" was in essence. I think thats difficult to pull off honestly and not very rewarding even if you do it well. Or he could be a sort of villain, which is risky but carries greater reward if it works. Mayweather has always seemed like a nervous speaker to me, the type of person that feels the need to say something but isn't really articulate enough to usually say something charming or interesting. This is a classic problem poor public speakers run into, and they often end up with a foot in their mouth. When you are a villain, if you put your foot in your mouth people are like "of course he said that, he's an *******...I hate him", so its more forgiving in that regard. If you are the good guy, or the quiet guy and you do that it can be damaging. I think that we are all unqualified to fully describe Mayweather's actual personality (like most public figures IMO), but I am confident that the things we are privy to do not fully describe him as a person...because I don't think that stuff could or is even intended to fully describe anyone. As far as humbleness goes, I think there is a certain audacity or even arrogance to being in individual sports like boxing, maybe especially boxing. There is also an innate humbleness to it as well. You must believe that you can win in the ring or you would be somewhat foolish to get in there, but you also have to be prepared for what the other person brings to the table. Anyway, I think he's humble to some degree and arrogant ...and the ratio might change from day to day...I know it does for me. oh yeah and of course he's damn near 40 now, so there is a good chance he's matured quite a bit since he established the "money" persona, so he may have both outgrown it psychologically, and as a career advancement tool.

Well Larry, I'll give you this. I did at least learn something today. "There are some Queensbury Rules that are not considered that big of a deal, so the commissions(particularly the NSAC) choose not to include them, because they don't consider them relevant. Ducking below the waistline is one of them. " https://plus.google.com/103175171387990068504/posts/FwsJed7ZV71 well, that settles that.

i dont think pac fights like marcos, i dont think anyone really does. The whole time i was watching that fight i was thinking about how his weirdness coupled with that sheer pressure and determination really threw mayweather off...he can get used to pressure , but that weird marcos pressure really had him uncomfortable for the whole fight. Mayweather is usually able to neutralize more pressure on the ropes, but marcos was moving in a weird way vs merely unconventional and creative like pac...idk if that makes sense i'm drunk.

I'd watch a rematch. I think Pac still loses, but I might get a few more minutes of excitement out of both of these legends before they disappear from the ring forever...to me that's at least worth splitting $10-20 bucks with a few friends...hang out have some beer and wings...maybe its just me.

Wow, I wasn't expecting that to be his rationale. I dont think its very solid reasoning, Pac isn't exactly the next generation of boxing. It seems to me this sort of argument would work better if he was fighting a young up and comer. Anyway I guess it basically boils down to him not being able to call it based on the merits and characteristics of the fighters, and he thinks boxing is a dirty business...cool

I certainly wouldn't call GGG a bum, but he is in my eyes still essentially untested. I would also have concerns about how much of his physical attributes he could translate down to 154. If the fight happened and Floyd cruises to victory in second gear there would genuinely be a question in my mind as to whether GGG wasn't all that great as he's faced only middling competition, or if GGG's physical gifts were greatly diminished by the weight. all that being said,if it got made i'd watch it, but on paper it seems like it would say more if Floyd lost than if he won which isn't what I wanna see. I wanna see a fight that can (at least in theory) tell me about both fighters and either outcome.

I've never really followed the back and forth before a fight, never even watched a full episode of 24/7 or all access, but the "trash talking" building up to this fight seems pretty tame. I feel like everyone is just going through the motions and there isn't truly any bad blood here...well except between the fans, from some of these guy's level of investment you would think May or Pac banged their grandmother and never called her again.

You're talking about non-inner city blacks lol. Overall, blacks biggest impediment is their toxic culture. Until they address that as a community, they won't advance. Also, black teachers and nurses, etc. are not the norm in the black community. Whereas for hispanics and Asians it is. The faction of ghetto toxic rap culture is the majority of African Americans. Until it's the minority blacks will stay low on the socio-economic ladder. pro athletes, famous rappers and wealthy drug dealers are not the norm anywhere in any racial group ever, your argument does not stand up....but I see that you have an conception that you are comfortable with and it does not appear that you have much interest in refining it or challenging it with facts. If you ever change your mind, you should go check out some labor statistics to see how black people actually do support themselves and what careers in fact move them up the socioeconomic chain in significant proportions.

Freddie Roach: "Floyd doesn't sweat as much as he used to. When he prepared for Oscar, and Maidana he developed more beads of sweat on his neck than he is now preparing for Manny. That's a clear sign Manny's gonna knock him out." I heard rumors that those aren't even his natural sweat beads, its a special mixture of perspiration enhancing drugs that memo calls "dihydrogen monoxide"...and I know for a fact Floyd will test positive for it.

I think that it should be noted that a "vial" is not a unit of measurement, that is to say that there are vials that hold different volumes of liquid. According to the USADA website the sample size is less than a tablespoon, that is less than 15 milliliters. During the blood collection process, a number of vacutainer tubes of blood could be drawn, but keep in mind, less than one tablespoon of blood will be drawn. After the relevant vacutainer tubes are filled with blood, the BCO will label each tube with the corresponding sample code number for the security bottles, confirming with the athlete that each tube was labeled appropriately. usada.org/testing/sample-collection-process/blood/#tab- 4 vials of blood could easily be 4 vials containing a little under 4 milliliters each. As you can see from this medical supply website vacutainer blood collection tubes have a wide range of capacities (from 2ml up to 10ml on this particular page) bd.com/vacutainer/products/venous/ordering_info_tubes.asp#hema_edta_plastic The number of vials in and of itself does not indicate how much actual material was taken. Moreover multiple containers of blood being taken is not out of line with USADA protocols or other types of blood testing. Given these facts I believe that there is no indication that anything unusual happened here. Its difficult for me to imagine that pac is that sensitive to such a small amount of blood loss as a nosebleed or cut in fight would cause him to lose at least as much if not many times more blood than this.

For sure it impacts training. Like anything else, it affects some more than others. "Conclusion *** for blood donation *** The bottom line when it comes to blood donation is that there will be a notable drop in your performance, but the research to date indicates that your body returns to normal after about three weeks " The article is referring to blood donation, meaning that a unit or more (probably not more at least in the US) of blood is removed from the body. 1 unit of blood is about 400 to 500ml , or about about pint of blood. The study which is cited in the article studied the effects of removing 450ml of blood from the subjects in a single session (highbeam.com/doc/1G1-332247470.html). That is some 30-ish times the amount drawn for these USADA tests. You cannot apply the effects that were studied in the paper that the article draws from to these tests. In simpler terms if you take 10,000 mg of ibuprofen at once you could die, but if you take 30 times less you could get rid of a headache....well I guess technically you won't have a headache if you are dead either, so.