Reloaded

if this is true idiots YES Sir and Gino Ros will commit suicide :lol1: Why ,, he can sell none dont matter a fuk , he can be the biggest whatever you want him to be but the reality is he still gunna whip Mannys ass like its practice .

The thing with a resume is it is open to debate and open to question ,, to much value is put on a fighters name , what is infinitely more important is a fighters form at the time they fight and the question is why did the winner win and this is where REAL gets lost in hype and your own knowledge of the sport . Where that name is at in terms of his career and his peak form at the time is whether you truly beat that NAME , so in reality determining greatness from a resume is just a debate over opinions , how REAL is that resume . Now the other side is knowing enough about the sport to know greatness in fighting ability when you see it , Im sure that their are trainers and inside boxing people that knew Floyd was going to be special right from the first time he stepped in the ring , its like seeing a champion racehorse in his first barrier trial , those top liners usually blitz them right out the gate , so in the end it boils down to knowing what your looking at , Trainers of racehorses dont go on about what names they beat they are interested in the running , the time and how often their champion can repeat close to his best time on race day ,,,, so like with racehorses the resume is only a record of numbers it dont tell the true story on face value . Great fighters and greatness is in the eye of the beholder , and people love to argue about opinion lol , I wonder how many can question their own opinion as hard as they will defend it .

Floyd had 20 lbs advantage over a bloated Marquez. What do you expect? 20 pounds lol you fanboys are so full of bullsh!t , your like a bunch of girls talking about somebody you dont like ,, guess what he still flogs the mortal shi!t out of your hero ,,,,,,dont ya just love it lol .

floyd doesnt deserve any credit. / thread. Absolutely brilliant answer kid you gotta be real smart to think of that one lol I wonder what your gunna grow up to be , another mid life flunky .

I dont think you will see another fighter get the notoriety and media appeal like it is for Floyd and to a lessor degree Manny for a very long time , Manny rode in on Floyds back , you need that Hero Villain thing going on to capture the public imagination and transcend the sport , mister nice guy wont cut it no matter how good you are , the public are fickle and ejaculate on controversy hate and most things negative , positive things seem to not get media attention like the negative things .

No because Floyd cheated in the weight in scale. The contract is 144lbs but Floyd came in at 146lbs over the limit.:no1: So the two pounds that Manny forced Cotto too or no fight , means what exactly ,,, I guess you think its different from the Floyd pound eh . lol you kids are so funny .

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/facepalm/grand/08251635-facepalm.gif This will be a stylistic match up it always has been. JMM has always had the perfect style to trouble pac. Both are the same size they could agree to fight at 154 and it still wouldnt matter both will show up at fight night 144-148lb. if either fighter wants to cut weight before fightnight to feel better they can but on fight night they will come in at around the same weight. The real question is if JMM still have the same style from their previous 2 fights cuz he's changed his style a bit to become more exciting. It does matter ,,, it matters how JMM puts on that weight and the fact it will make him SLOWER ,, guess what that means to a counter puncher ? Why do you think Roach was so adamant that it would 144 or NO fight , yet he says Pac can make 140 with ease , JMM wanted 140 , Roach 144 or NO fight , JMM said 142 Roach said 144 or no fight , JMM said OK 144 . Do you really know why Roach was like the rock of Gibraltar on the weight , just like he was with Cotto and Margo ,,,, because it MATTERS , and it has alway advantaged Pac , and the weight is giving an advantage to Pac again , thats why Roach does it !!

Coz more people will buy the ppv if they fight at welter, common sense. Pac is fighting a guy his own size so he doesnt have to consume 10,000 calories a day to gain weight. He will weigh in at 140 -141 just see. You swallow good Bob would be proud of you .

it'll depend on how JMM does against manny...if he gets completely outclassed again then it'll show he just can't fight at that weight H cannot get outclassed by Manny in any fight at any weight !! JMM is a better boxer than Manny and always has been , only a better boxer can outclass him , thats why Floyd outclassed him . Manny can only out power him which he will do easier at this weight because JMM will be a little slower than at his right weight ,,,,,,, And that is why Roach says 144 or NO FIGHT ,,,,,

Exactly, Juanita was as huge an underdog as Ortiz was. Why in the world would anyone give credit to a fighter who we all knew was gonna have everything to his advantage ? Ask yourselves this, would you give credit to Einstein if he were to attend a 1st grade class and managed to get an A in every single assignment/tests ? Manny has had major advantages in nearly all his WW fights , you want start a thread and debate that with me kid ?

the marquez brothers.. Yep best fighting brothers of the lot .

with all the attention whoring floyd did. pretty disappointing numbers. after calling his dad a F@G Made Mannys numbers look like crap again , dont you get sick of losing youve been owned so many times everybody knows your just a trolling fool with no life .

A prime oscar taps that azz Floyd doesnt give a prime Oscar 16 pounds in weight , that little stat makes a lot of difference , just one of the things TV fans dont understand or pay much attention to .

Mayweather weight 146 Marquez 142 Mayweather "NEVER" tried to make weight for the Marquez fight, Dougie FIsher is disgusted! Oh Ah Doug Fisher said , that must mean heaps right , WOW .

Typical showcase a dud path for a Manny fight , just like Cotto Jennings , Hatton Lazcano , Margo Garcia , ODH Forbes , dud wins after bad loses , with JMM they trying say look how strong he is at 144 , it failed he looked like the fat guy that fought Floyd , this fight is a milking exercise . .

What r u talking about, there's no weight advantage coz Pac will only weigh in at 140 - 141 lbs. Then why not agree to JMM wanting 140 - 142 ,,, lol your full of Pac juice kid lol . Pac will weigh in at 144 , JMM at 142-143

Inside rumor said around 900 k thats why they didnt want the figure released , Bob thinks it will impact the Pac May deal ,,, thats straight out of his office .

Pac has developed into the better fighter and has surpassed Floyd. Floyd was content on living off past glories. Pac is big because he is beating the guys that might have beaten Floyd, more like it, because Floyd didnt fancy it! Do you know what handicap means you dumb fuk , whats a win if you got to handicap the opponent in order to get the win , jeesus your a dumb fuker .

if pac figfhts at 135, he would come in most likley around that what he will come in at ww CW(so would jmm). get it? it does not matter wheterh the fight is at 135 , 140 or ww sizewise, both will come in (mostlikely) similar in size. pac has not fought at 135 in years homeboy, why should he risk being weightdrained regardless of what his team say. If he were at a weigh-in of 135 it changes the entire camp as far as weight goes , he will train much lighter throughout camp making the lighter weight , he will have less muscle mass because of that and just manipulate the water at the end .of camp , if has too much mass he wont make the weight , CWs matter a lot in these fights . At 144 Pac will train much bigger through out camp , and JMM will train much higher also , the consequence of this is more power less speed for both . Now who do you think more Power and less speed will advantage . This fight is a cherry pick at this weight , wasnt Pac just saying JMM might retire , off course he will its his last big pay send off , he has lost before that dont worry him , so being the fighter he is he will give it a try , the pay is too good not too , at the end of the day this fight is a Team Pac scam .

Pac and Marquez are the same size so there's no weight issue here. They r only fighting at welter coz Pac has no belt at 140. It was 144 or NO FIGHT , because it advantages Pac , not hard to figure out kid .

yup he made the kid famous...thats true...but didnt Floyd offered Ortiz a rematch right after the fight? Do you ever say things on the spur of the moment without a lot of thought , or is it only Floyd that does that , like the Pactards try and spin every day .

JMM called floyd out. and floyd was quick to jump on it like burner on williams dick. Because he knew he would win easily , JMM was No 2 P4P , Manny had gone life and death with him twice ,, and Floyd had not fought in 2 yrs , it was a marketing decision , a business fight and it was considered by all as a tune up for Floyd . Now why is Pac fighting him at 144 ? and not the weight JMM asked for which was 140 then 142 , Roach said NO to both , 144 or NO fight .

So Pac has not agreed to testing !!!!!! and he admits Manny is much bigger and stronger than JMM so they will go right through him , lol he couldnt when they fought even so what is the win really just another set up to win fight .

Manny cant KO a WW either , unless they are weakened by a CW . Floyd could stop Manny meaning a ref stoppage , doubt very much Floyd would Knock Out Manny but he sure as hell could stop him , especially when you consider the styles .

Yes its a great example of the Pactards fanboys double standards , it really make them look like fools trying to bash Floyd JMM but praise Manny JMM ,,

whats going on... 1 report from ARUM, testing NO ISSUE, not ARIZA we wont listen to his demands.... Something wrong here.... They flip flopping again , Bob Roach and Ariza are like the three stooges shooting each other in the foot , they straight up DUCKING a PEDS test .

Geez, the focus on Wifebeater and you managed to throw in PAC's name. 'Cause you know it's true. And, since this is not a thread about PAC, there was no need for me to mention that I also don't give him credit for his recent selection of opponents, now go f**k yourself. P.S. But, I do give more credit to PAC for facing Margarito and Cotto. Eventhough Wifebeater would most likely dominate them as well. The fact that he faced them is more credit than the person being on vacation. And, I do give more credit to PAC for the way he beat the sh*t out of 'em compared to the performances Wifebeater gave us against common opponents. When Wifebeater was still with T*p Rank. All he had to do was snap his fingers and Arum would've given Cotto and Margarita on a platter. But no, what did he do, as we all are used to it by now, he came up with lame excuses as to why he didn't want any part of 'em. Umm, kind of what's happening now, lmao But, when PAC is offered Margarita and Cotto. What did he do, he put on his gloves and savagedly beat the crap about of 'em Your claim to fame in the name dropping wars is , Margo and Cotto , big name fighters that you agree Floyd would have dominated ,,,, But you IGNORE the handicap Pac puts on them , and its real if you want to go deeper , Then you ignore the stage of the careers they are at , at the time of fighting Pac , Then you ignore they were coming of huge career changing loses , even Roach pointed to this with public statements like , Cotto is damaged goods , Shane was too good until he lost to Floyd now we will fight him ,, You ignore it all and thats why I call you a fanboy , I like Pac as a fighter but since he went to Roachs gym and they agreed too lets make money ( Roachs words not mine ) , Manny got packaged and in that package was very carefully selected fighters and then perfect match making to get a real handicap but still be able to sell it to the media and masses , marque name fighters but at a very vulnerable time and perfect timing for Pac ,,, Pac has Cherry picked like you wouldnt believe , but in a way thats not so apparent to the average person that only sees the bash , and not Pac himself , his management , the guys pulling all the strings , they are the ones that set it all up , and it will end up with Floyd for the richest fight in history ,, they will make a movie or doco about this saga ,,, Floyd will school him , that will prove what Im saying but it wont be an argument then will it .

Why are you now hating on Floyd, of course i know what a handicap is! Handicap is when you get JMM to bloat up 2 divisions and getting the ref on your side to help beat your opponent like Floyd did against hatton. LOL the whinging Pommy spins his double standard bullsh!t again , I remember all the sh!t you were on about with what Hatton was gunna do to Floyd , then you went cried in exile for ages , now you come with your bullsh!t all over again . Your just a sour grape loser kid lol .

Its simple TAKE THE TEST ,,,,, Ariza just came out saying they wont take the PEDS testing ,,,,,, they are definitely juicing I cant see any other logical reason they would duck a PEDS test for 50mill .

He didnt and he fought and beat him again to show it ,,,, what are you kids always with the WHAT IF crap , isnt their enough real things to talk about .