I did read what you wrote, Pacquiao also took his jab away by firing a short left hand down the pipe and slipping/parrying Cotto's jab. I used to do that in sparring with my own jab, Pacquiao being a southpaw with a fast left hand seems capable of doing it from his stance. It was the 2nd round and they were going on about how he had success using his lead left hand. This killed Cotto's jab because Manny's left was tearing his face apart.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/Counters.gif
Being that Mayweather is by most considered the most adaptable fighter on earth, he'll likely look to capitalize on some technical flaws and bad habits of Manny Pacquiao.
Can you name some technical flaws or bad habits of Manny Pacquiao?
Picture a counter left hook timing this...
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/AirPac.gif
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/events/2008/0726_cotto_margarito/victory_wh/482x316_10.jpg
I thought they were referring to the area where it look's like it's cracking, it could just be rolled up tape though.
Pacquiao is just a BEAST.
Just look at him, look at the leverage he gets and how he turns on his shots.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/AirPac.gif
the explosion...
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/Explodes.gif
the accuracy...
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/Leverage2.gif
Cotto cocks...counter....right hand, beautiful speed/timing,...
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/Counter.gif
..."Right hook, roll under".
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/RHookRollunder.gif
Preparing for Morales against a welter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtecWvWQEXw&feature=player_embedded
He's gotten so good people think his the:
http://julesmariano.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/terminator-salvation-poster.jpeg
because right now...they can't
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/PirateGorilla/McHammer.gif
actually it does... it's incorporated in his opponent's connect percentage which is low.
but you can't win rounds with defense alone, you gotta win w/ punches, and pac throws too many.
I was aiming for a scientific and impartial view.
it's just a numbers crunch, it could be significant or not, but I'm not putting my bias into it at all, that's why it's superior because numbers are impartial.
It was. Don't sweat the hate, clearly said "compubox analysis" but reading comprehension is not a requirement to post on boards.
Good job, different point of view. Biased though, no JMM stats included? Pac's connect rate have been better because his opponents pretty much had nothing to return later in fights. But I bet Floyd's connect rate are consistent through out. Still good analysis.
Probably been roiding since he was a teen.
Look at how much bigger he is than compared to when he was 16.
Floyd himself said he was a measly 106 at that age, and hes fought as high as 154?
Somethings up.
fsl
Don't forget steroids can be passed down to fetus specially in the third trimester of pregnancy. Long term steroid use can also lead to premature baldness in males:
http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/mayweather-marquez-top-b.jpg
I just remembered one of the main side effects of steroids is testicle shrinkage. I mean he fought Castillo first fight at 135, Chop Chop at 140, then all of sudden fights Mitchell at 147, somethings funny.
Steroids cause bone to break down.
Maybe thats what Floyd meant when he said he needed time for his body to heal.
Hes never taken any serious damage so I'm not sure of what really needs healing besides his brittle from steroids hands.
FSL of course.
Decalcification of the bones is one of the long term side effects of steroids. He needed 2 months off to let his "broken rib" heal. Things are really starting to get suspicious. He's friends with 50 and balls with Mosley.
Just look at his pops:
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID10947/images/box_mag_fmsr01_275%281%29.jpg
You don't think that man is on roids? The saying goes an apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Another side effect of roids, emotional instability:
http://www.thesweetscience.com/images/9347/floyd_mayweather_240x230_20061107.jpg
A Marquez chased Pacquiao, even going after Mayweather to get it. Question, has Pac even beaten JMM, yet? It didn't take PBF a 1/2 decade to get a controversial sd, did it? So which fight was more difficult again? Riiiiight.
Your comparing Pacquiao fighting a welter in Cotto to a welter in Floyd fighting at his best a natural lightweight?
:rofl:
Pacquiao TKO DLH
Pacquiao KO Hatton 2
Fact: Pacquiao fought Cotto, you can't honestly tell me you can't read between the lines in these statements by Ellerbe:
"The numbers are great for the sport of boxing but he had a legitimate dance partner,” Ellerbe said. “Cotto is a very good fighter who's had a lot of visibility on pay-per-view, against (Antonio) Margarito, against (Zab) Judah, against Mosley, against Pacquiao."
When Cotto was undefeated and was on fire:
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...green_fla.html
"'Ellerbe criticized Cotto's HBO and pay-per-view ratings, and said the Puerto Rican is not fiscally or historically appealing enough.'
'It has nothing to do with Cotto's ability or talent, because I happen to believe he's a very good fighter,' Ellerbe said. 'I just don't think he brings enough to the table. Right now, he's not a draw in boxing. Outside of the hardcore press, nobody cares. If nobody's watching, what makes the guy important?'"
I remember hearing this back then and was shocked,
I just watched Chico's last interview (RIP) and its sprung back into mind,
As I completely forgot?
Do many fighters do this??
Putting 23lbs on over night must be extremely difficult!
It was at catch-weight 150lbs, but yeah 20lbs and he's still ripped as shit. I guess he's on roids too.
Tougher Comp, for who? Floyd pretty much disposed of a heavyweight problem that has plagued Pac for 4 going on 5 yrs. Marquez gets kd'd, gets up, and starts smacking Manny up whenever they fight. Just because Manny performed well against Cotto, and Marquez did nothing with Mayweather, doesn't mean Pac vs. Marquez wouldn't be very competitive and or a possible L for Pac. Just because Floyd can make 'easy work' of fighters doesn't mean he should be penalized for it. Besides that, Pac fought the same competition as Floyd after PBF already 'popped that cherry'. What? Look at the avatar, Pac doesn't smile like that when he's facing JMM. I don't think Pac'll ever get that chance to have that look of satisfaction on his face when fighting JMM.
Pacquiao fought Cotto enough said.
I will be surprised if Pacquiao actually takes this fight. It looks more like he is trying to price himself out. He has avoided the best athletes in the sport for his whole career. Why would he change now?
But maybe Pacquiao is starting to believe his own hype and wants to fight. IF that's true, then what a perfect set-up this is for Floyd. The hype balloon can't get any bigger, and Floyd will get to pop it in front of the whole world just like Holmes did to Cooney.
WTF...their not the one's balking at 50-50...Pacquiao actually fought Cotto. Mayweather's camp are full of contradictions.
"The numbers are great for the sport of boxing but he had a legitimate dance partner,” Ellerbe said. “Cotto is a very good fighter who's had a lot of visibility on pay-per-view, against (Antonio) Margarito, against (Zab) Judah, against Mosley, against Pacquiao."
When Cotto was undefeated and was on fire:
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...green_fla.html
"'Ellerbe criticized Cotto's HBO and pay-per-view ratings, and said the Puerto Rican is not fiscally or historically appealing enough.'
'It has nothing to do with Cotto's ability or talent, because I happen to believe he's a very good fighter,' Ellerbe said. 'I just don't think he brings enough to the table. Right now, he's not a draw in boxing. Outside of the hardcore press, nobody cares. If nobody's watching, what makes the guy important?'"
He's a dance partner for Pacquiao but he's not good enough for Floyd?
Damn, PirateGorilla
Why you throwing your boy under the train like that?
I support Pacquiao 100%. Nothing in his ascent in weight or accomplishment shows that he's guilty. He's my boy no matter what.
Shane and Vargas were on steroids it didn't help them.
Dude, the Tranny Pactard fans are gonna get you banned. This thread will get deleted. They covered up a lot of shit last night (racist thread by MakeDamnSure calling floyd half chimpanzee. Nothing happened to him)
I am a fan of Pacquiao. I just saw it, thought it was worth the read for boxing fans.
It's not right to single out ONE fighter.
It's fair for Pacquiao to give in to the random test because Mayweather has decided to not go through with USADA.
Please, be objective they are still in negotiation.
The dates he has offered are just strange, if he has nothing to hide why not just submit to the random testing? He was ok with the idea about a week ago
Arum/Roach are right on the blood tests. If Schaefer goes to the commission for their request for a blood test they will see. HCT levels can increase in people who are dehydrated something most boxers do to make weight, and train at high altitudes. There has been no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer. Roach and Arum did their homework.
http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.full.pdf
So why has Evander Holyfield been using it throughout his career? Obviously he thought he got some kind of gain from using it. I also know that many baseball players have used it. But its neither here nor there, random testing should be the norm in boxing.
The way I see it this whole fiasco has highlighted the fact that the drug testing of the NSAC is not adequate and the organisation needs a major ovwerhaul.
Do some research and read up on HGH as a performance enhancer for athletes. There are still on going studies but there is no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer.
I agree with the random testings, but blood testing still has to be looked at.
Dr. Margaret Goodman, now the chief ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told the SI reporters that back in 1994, when Holyfield evinced evidence of a heart defect follwing his loss to Michael Moorer, commission doctors believed the malady to be consistent with HGH use, but since Holyfield denied having used the substance they could not pursue the theory.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/02/28/holyfield/index.html
It didn't specify the heart defect.
"There were questions the abnormalities Evander had with his heart were findings that could have been consistent with growth hormone use. The problem was there was no test and Evander denied any use of growth hormone."
You know it's up to the commission to decide but currently there is no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer.
EPO use can also lead to a heart defect.
December 11:
Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.
December 14:
Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.
December 22:
Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.
Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.
In that same day,
Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.”
How is HGH test done?
More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.
December 23:
Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.
Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.
December 24:
Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.
December 25:
Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.
December 26:
Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the Announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have Offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room . I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.
So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.
Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are downgrading blood testing in general. :lol1:
There is no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer.
http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.full.pdf
By making you stronger overall? Maybe? By allowing you to train longer and harder thereby making you more durable.
Is there a correlation between the strongest guys at each division and their chins? I don't know.
Wasn't Vargas on roids? Great help it did him.