More Impressed With Pac Everytime I Rewatch It!

Somebody show Floyd Sr. this thread. Man, his boasting is going to get his son hurt. Pac can fight. Roach's gameplans against bad habits allows for mind reading in the ring. I wonder if Larry Merchant was right, Cotto would've probably lost anyway, but he would've had Roach's regimen completely thrown off if he fought that bout completely in southpaw.

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There is one thing I've noticed when rewatching the fight. It seems that the audience were all for Pac? When Cotto was pinning Pac on the ropes, the audience just has this blank stare, but when Pac starts returning fire especially in the fourth round before the knockout people were standing, punching in the air, some were even surprised (see Derek Jeter).

I made a thread on here about it last night saying how impressed I was but then I rewatched it again last night and was even more impressed. Everytime I watch it I get more impressed. 1st of all, I dont want to act like Im better than anyone else or no more but I truly am a sports junkie. There are a bunch of times I will put something on the DVR and watch it over & over again and discet it like a coach. My favorited team is the Skins and I remember that I use to rewatch the games so much that I knew what Gibbs tendencies were. Anytime they would have a loss or a 10 yard penalty and it would be 1st or 2nd & long, he always would throw the wr screen. I use to call it out all the time and people would be shocked that I knew it but it came from watching the film. When you watch that Pac-Cotto fight, I think alot of people just look at it in black & white but I watch it over & over again basically inch by inch and study that Motha****a like Im Freddy Roach. I talked about this alot last night but I have to say it again because I dont think alot of people noticed it. Pac was hooking the shit out of Cotto's jab. I mean he probably did it like 10 times or something. I remember watching Floyd-Gatti and it was the 1st round. RJ was commentating at that time and I remember him saying that the speed advantage is so great that Floyd is already hooking off Gatti's jab. The way he said it you could tell that he was a great fighter that knew certain things to look for and after he said that I started noticing it. Thats something that sticks in my mind and I look for in every fight. Only guys with super speed, great awearness, and great skill can consistently pull that off and Pac did it on the regular. I remember watching Pac-Hatton on that 1st knock down. I remember hearing Roach I think say that there is something that Hatton does that you can tell when he punches. As soon as Hatton made a move to throw, you could see Pac waiting on it and as soon as he saw Hatton's body move, he threw that quick right hook and dropped him. It was the same in the Cotto fight. It was a great 1st round of boxing by Cotto but after that Pac was timing the shit out of him. Cotto would start the motion of the jab and as soon as Pac saw it, he was coming back with the hoook and beating him to the punch every time. 1st you have to think about the motion of both fighters. If the right hand fighter Cotto is throwing the jab and Pac is hooking then the hook is almost always going to knock you over. Thats what he did to Cotto like 5 times or more and you can see it right before the 1st knock down. Cotto throws that jab and Pac throws a quick powerful hook that made Cotto fall over some. It shocked Cotto because that has never ever happened to him before. The shock basicaly made him stand up and just pause for a second and thats when Pac jumped on him and dropped him while Cotto had his hands down. Cotto also has this other jab move that he does thats always money. He faints and then comes right back with the jab. It works on everyone but Roach is so great that I think that was one of the habits he was talking about Cotto having. He probably told Pac that if he ever faints then throw that hook because he's coming right back. Sure enough he fainted the jab and came back with it like 5 times and as soon as he fainted, Pac would throw that hook and catch him every time when Cotto was coming back in. People have to really pay attention to that stuff. I love that shit. You could see that it blew Cotto's mind that Pac was able to do this because it makes you feel inferior when you thought you could outjab & outbox him all fight but he's making you look like a chump. Again, thats why people are so wrong when they said that if Cotto kept using his jab then he couldve won. He did kept using it. He tried like hell but Pac took that shit away. Then there was something that came off of that. It mentaly ruined Cotto. He knew he had to use that jab to win and not get into a brawl with Pac but he also knew that everytime he threw it he was going to get countered back. Cotto couldnt go away from it because that was the only punch he had a chance of landing without taking major punishment but he still knew a quick bullet was coming back so that made Cotto mentaly start throwing it scared & slow. He already knew the outcome so he would only throw it at half speed which inturn now made Pac hook it every time with ease. The thing I saw late that had me dying was that Pac had mentaly damaged him so much and had it timed so well that Cotto threw a slow jab late in the fight and Pac bitch slapped him. Did anyone catch that? By that I mean, he hit Cotto with a back hand slap. Straight up. I dont think alot of people see that kind of stuff unless you watch it back alot and break it down punch by punch. When I saw that I was like this is one of the greatest performances Ive ever seen. He was like half Duran, half Sweet Pea in that bitch. Im telling you that all that shit hurt Cotto way more than anything physicaly did. You could see it. He was in shocked that Pac was doing that to him because that never happeneds to an elite fighter and that wasnt just it. We all saw Cotto go into running mode and you all hear what I said about Pac hooking off the jab. Cotto is not an all out punk so when he was running late, there would always be times where he would stop to throw because he thought he may have Pac right now and Im telling you that as soon as he even brought his body into motion like he was about to throw a punch, Pac would catch him square in the face. Seriously, I dont think you guys can appreciate what Im saying unless you really watch it like this frame by frame. Cotto had never ever seen anything like that. Margarito was just walking him down hitting him with big shots and its the same with everyone from Shane to Clottey. This was different. Pac was hitting him with shit that he never sees until its there and he hit him alot of times as soon as Cotto fixed his hands to throw or as soon as he started the throwing motion. Its something that you would see a guy like Floyd do to a guy with a 10-15 record but he was doing this to Cotto. It was all speed, skill, and awearness. That shit blew my mind. I swear he got Cotto in the corner late once and Cotto was throwing or about to throw and again Pac hit him with a back hand bitch slap and Cotto flew back into the ropes. I forget at the end of which round it is. Pac didnt even hit him hard and he flew back because the blow was just so surprising to him. It was surprising how everytime he gets set to throw he's getting hit with clean flush punches that he never even sees. Honestly, it would be like if you were fighting someone in the pitch dark but they had night vision goggles on. Thats what its like to get hit by punches like that. Then one time I saw Pac going toe to toe with Cotto and throwing combos. He did something crazy like throw a right hook and then left to the body but what made it crazy was that one second later he threw it in reverse. He dug in with the left to the body and then threw the right hook up stairs. Cotto absorded that left to the body and was about to swing when the right hook caught him flush on the side of his head and it hurt him. I mean he just never knew what was coming. The speed, skill, and power was so great that it blew my mind, seriously. I felt bad for Cotto because I just knew what he was thinking. It was the same way Gatti felt against Floyd. He was scared to throw because Pac was always going to immediatly counter him back and it would be too fast for him to stop and he wont see the punch coming. Thats why he ran. After rewatching it a bunch of times I actually think that performance was even better than his Hatton performance. It just makes the Floyd fight that much better because Ive seen Floyd hook off of jabs and so on and Ive seen Zab hook Floyd off the jab. Its not as hard when you are talking about hooking off the jab with a Southpaw & righty because there forward arm is on the same side so both will try to do it to eachother but you have to be super fast & skilled to do it. The punch that Zab dropped Floyd on was the hook but that was on a right hand by Floyd and not the jab. Pac may catch him like that once to. Zab hooked Floyd off the jab a few times early and Floyd bent over like Cotto did but there wasnt as much power behind it. Floyd also did the same to Zab alot. I remember when Zab was hooking Floyd, it was a little different then the Pac-Cotto stuff. Floyd was like reaching in with the jab and Zab would step out of range and counter with the hook. You wont get as much power that way behind the hook but it will knock your opponent off balance. Pac was hooking Cotto straight up. Like he didnt have to step back or step out of range because he was so fast and knew when Cotto was throwing it so Pac could always put solid power behind it Good K, dude. Hey DLT, what's your take on the impending pac-floyd fight? You think floyd wins this one easy?

im still concerned with what he's going to do when he fights someone naturally bigger than him who will tie him up... how does freddie coach/teach that one??? floyd will land, tie up... im optimistic that manny can beat it, but he HAS to be able to overcome that!

LOL Manny Pac bitch slap for the win!

great read, ill rewatch the fight later to just see the things you saw...

I've seen the Pac-Cotto fight fifteen times already....I'm so tired of Pac's greatness that I started watching the audience rather than he fight itself. I downloaded and HD version of the fight and burned it in a Bluray DVD. The shit is so clear. Because of the quality....I was able to see Barrera in the 5th or 6th row cheering for Cotto. He was so happy when Cotto connected his first jab that rocked Pac's head in the first round. I can also see how Mark Whalberg is so much a pacnuthugger.....Will Ferrel was just unemotional sitting beside Mark. Mark probably brought him to the fight....Will is not really a fan of boxing or something. The Korean chick was cute and another Korean chick 2 seats far back was also cute. Bob Arum was trying not to cheer for anyone since both are his fighters. I also tend to do that & watch the crowd/audience reaction ... but did you really see Marco? I need to have HQ version ... lolz

Gomi? I like this guy back in his Pride fighting days. where's he at now? He's still weighing his options. He recently visited American Kickboxing to train but he plans to make his next fight on U.S. soil. Do you know, there's a little Gomi on the way, i wonder if his head will be as big as his dad's. Scratch that, a female gomi, perhaps? Same scenario with the size head.

what round was it when pac bitch slap him in

When RJJ said that, I'm pretty sure he meant Floyd threw a jab, then hooked off it....the conventional setup shot for the hook (from orthodox stance: right cross to set up left hook..or... left jab to set up a right hook... or Floyd will just throw a left hand lead hook sometimes. A hook off of an opponents jab? I saw Manny catch Cotto with a quick right hand a couple times when Cotto was cocking his hook. And I saw Manny sidestep the jab, and hit with a jab, straight left combo. Hooking off an opponents jab would be problematic because of range. The opponent is trying to keep you at range with his jab, and a hook is a shorter distance attack, which is why it needs the jab or right hand lead setup usually to gauge the range before firing the hook.... Unless you are gifted like Pac or Floyd..then you can just throw lead hooks Anyways, thought I would tell you what I know. Nah, I know what you mean though. Floyd throws the jab and then switches it to a hook. This one was really when Floyd was on D though. Gatti was jabbing and Floyd hooked him. Its right at the begining of the fight, like in the first 30 seconds

Pac was hooking the shit out of Cotto's jab. I mean he probably did it like 10 times or something. I remember watching Floyd-Gatti and it was the 1st round. RJ was commentating at that time and I remember him saying that the speed advantage is so great that Floyd is already hooking off Gatti's jab. The way he said it you could tell that he was a great fighter that knew certain things to look for and after he said that I started noticing it. Thats something that sticks in my mind and I look for in every fight. Only guys with super speed, great awearness, and great skill can consistently pull that off and Pac did it on the regular. When RJJ said that, I'm pretty sure he meant Floyd threw a jab, then hooked off it....the conventional setup shot for the hook (from orthodox stance: right cross to set up left hook..or... left jab to set up a right hook... or Floyd will just throw a left hand lead hook sometimes. A hook off of an opponents jab? I saw Manny catch Cotto with a quick right hand a couple times when Cotto was cocking his hook. And I saw Manny sidestep the jab, and hit with a jab, straight left combo. Hooking off an opponents jab would be problematic because of range. The opponent is trying to keep you at range with his jab, and a hook is a shorter distance attack, which is why it needs the jab or right hand lead setup usually to gauge the range before firing the hook.... Unless you are gifted like Pac or Floyd..then you can just throw lead hooks Anyways, thought I would tell you what I know.

I actually think Jones has retooled his defense quite effectively but when your legs are as far gone as his, it doesn't matter. I doubt it'll be any different for Mayweather and Pacquiao should that ever happen to them. Yeah he's modified somewhat, but I still see some heavy reliance on twitch. It's what makes Roy...Roy. It's programmed in his boxing psyche. He's too slow for that style to work anymore and he's very vulnerable right now to effective pressure, especially since his aura of being untouchable was taken away. It's sad to see him in that last Tarver fight. He couldn't do anything to win because he was forced to abandon those things he could do in the past that made him great. Pac and PBF would start to get hit more in the long run (if there is a long run), but not as worse as RJJ, IMO.

I underestimated Pac's chin at WW. Not only did he outbox Cotto, but he ain't wait til after 6 to tear into him. He steamrolled him pretty much start to finish.

True, to some extent fast reflexes are needed in any effective defense, but IMO, the requirement is different for each style. The unconventionality of Roy's defensive technique that has worked wonders for him in the past relies too much on twitch action, and that is why he became more vulnerable when his reflexes started to slow, whereas Pacquiao I believe would get a little more mileage out of the way he defends. Pac's just not an arms-down-lean-forward-and-dare-to-hit-my-exposed-face-without-paying-a-hefty-price type fighter like RJJ was (FMJ sometimes), and he seldom does that rope-a-dope-while-smiling-at-the-crowd shit Roy loves to do. I remember him being smacked by Johnson while on the ropes. Roy could get away with that while he had the spring in his feet and quick reaction time, but not after his schooling of Ruiz. He could've reworked his D but he still fights the same way, more or less. I actually think Jones has retooled his defense quite effectively but when your legs are as far gone as his, it doesn't matter. I doubt it'll be any different for Mayweather and Pacquiao should that ever happen to them.

That's interesting because I think Pacquiao's defense, and even Floyd's to an extent, is based on fast reflexes. They couldn't pull off what they do if they didn't have it. Jones' defense was just unconventional, but it was just as based on discipline and technique. But it's funny, people always talk about defense (not getting hit), yet rarely mention his although he is considered an ATG. Roy Jones in his prime was unhittable, easily the best defensive fighter in the sport. True, to some extent fast reflexes are needed in any effective defense, but IMO, the requirement is different for each style. The unconventionality of Roy's defensive technique that has worked wonders for him in the past relies too much on twitch action, and that is why he became more vulnerable when his reflexes started to slow, whereas Pacquiao I believe would get a little more mileage out of the way he defends. Pac's just not an arms-down-lean-forward-and-dare-to-hit-my-exposed-face-without-paying-a-hefty-price type fighter like RJJ was (FMJ sometimes), and he seldom does that rope-a-dope-while-smiling-at-the-crowd shit Roy loves to do. I remember him being smacked by Johnson while on the ropes. Roy could get away with that while he had the spring in his feet and quick reaction time, but not after his schooling of Ruiz. He could've reworked his D but he still fights the same way, more or less.

A little Roy Jones with a chin...lol Good one. :D I don't like Roy's defense though. It's mostly based on fast reflexes, which Roy possessed and were off the hook, until he tried to get back down from his short HW stint. Once the fighting cock reflexes diminished, he was wide open. That's interesting because I think Pacquiao's defense, and even Floyd's to an extent, is based on fast reflexes. They couldn't pull off what they do if they didn't have it. Jones' defense was just unconventional, but it was just as based on discipline and technique. But it's funny, people always talk about defense (not getting hit), yet rarely mention his although he is considered an ATG. Roy Jones in his prime was unhittable, easily the best defensive fighter in the sport.

I've seen the Pac-Cotto fight fifteen times already....I'm so tired of Pac's greatness that I started watching the audience rather than he fight itself. I downloaded and HD version of the fight and burned it in a Bluray DVD. The shit is so clear. Because of the quality....I was able to see Barrera in the 5th or 6th row cheering for Cotto. He was so happy when Cotto connected his first jab that rocked Pac's head in the first round. I can also see how Mark Whalberg is so much a pacnuthugger.....Will Ferrel was just unemotional sitting beside Mark. Mark probably brought him to the fight....Will is not really a fan of boxing or something. The Korean chick was cute and another Korean chick 2 seats far back was also cute. Bob Arum was trying not to cheer for anyone since both are his fighters. hahahahahahaha LOL :lol1:

Yes, more than the hand speed and power, it's Pac's foot speed that separates him from the pack. He is very similar to Roy Jones in this regard, only he's a lefty with a better chin, but worse defense. Again, this is a dangerous fight for Mayweather and I think you have to make Pacquiao the favorite here. Mayweather's used to being the puzzled to be solved in the ring but on this night he'll find an equally daunting task. A little Roy Jones with a chin...lol Good one. :D I don't like Roy's defense though. It's mostly based on fast reflexes, which Roy possessed and were off the hook, until he tried to get back down from his short HW stint. Once the fighting cock reflexes diminished, he was wide open.