Tim Smith: Dirty results to be kept secret

who is this source? Floyd Jr ---------------------------------

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True. Seriously, it is. Rumor-mongering is a sign of gayness.

LOL America is the land of cheaters. America wont tolerate cheaters................

Dude, give it up. You lost this back in your failed cheer-leading attempt thread. Ugh, right, tell that to yourself, in your world i lose when every attempt you do to act smart only backfires. Go get your eyes checked, then read the thread. so far you have shot yourself in the foot by: - not knowing how to count. 1 is not what you would call a lot of threads. - not knowing that a thread title can be the same as the article title contained within. oh look you're winning! :dead1:

Pacroid **** up big time for not agreeing to take the test

Thats exactly what i was thinking. However, the spin-doctors in here will tell you the complete opposite. Its quite amusing. Quoted for truth.

Thanks 4 that. I just wanted to throw this out there. I live in NY and the 3 major papers here are The New York Times, The New York Daily News, The New York Post and if your really business minded USA Today. The daily News is not a tabloid. It is not as credible as the New York Times but the only US papers that are are USA today, The Washington Post and maybe the LA times. Tim Smith is a respected boxing writer. He has been around the game for a while. I honestly dont think he would quote something that wasnt from a reliable source. Hes been in the game too long for that. Thats exactly what i was thinking. However, the spin-doctors in here will tell you the complete opposite. Its quite amusing.

Manny is geting tko right now man up and take the test. the longer this goes on the worst is going to get

yet Tim Smith is one of the more respected writers in boxing Thanks 4 that. I just wanted to throw this out there. I live in NY and the 3 major papers here are The New York Times, The New York Daily News, The New York Post and if your really business minded USA Today. The daily News is not a tabloid. It is not as credible as the New York Times but the only US papers that are are USA today, The Washington Post and maybe the LA times. Tim Smith is a respected boxing writer. He has been around the game for a while. I honestly dont think he would quote something that wasnt from a reliable source. Hes been in the game too long for that.

You got it wrong, i run brazzers.com still smarting eh, all because of 1 article that doesn't even shit on your boyfriend Floyd. Doesn't change the fact that you can't count. doesn't change the fact that you can't fathom the logic of having a thread title that is identical with the title of the article. You give Floyd fans a bad name. :rofl: Dude, give it up. You lost this back in your failed cheer-leading attempt thread.

nor did it help them take a punch either.......... i don't know where malignaggi thinks that roids help you take a punch, that doens't make any sense. anyway. i was thinking about this fight and how i have gotten worked up because of all this stupid shit, and i started to notice a trend evolving in all of this, which has been discussed before, and it's the build up of the fight, even if they were to fight different people on march 13th. because the way i see it, they're trying to make this fight the biggest in recent years, and all this scandal and back and forth is only going to attract all the other sports fans to watch this fight. they're trying to make it into a soap opera to reach beyond the regular boxing fan demographic. i believe that this has been in the works for a while now, because, both sides, and i don't care what we're being told in news and the internet, but both sides aren't really trying to do anything to progress things. WE'RE ONLY BEING TOLD WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR!!!!! do you get that fact? they're are talking in private, and are devising plans, all the while they come with these statements for us in the public to fuel their promotion. i think we as fans have been played. i think that they're using us to promote the fight and using us to reach out to casual boxing fans and other sports fans with all of this. it's free marketing and promotion, and the controversy is making it spread like wildfire. if there were real negotiations going on, at least known negotiations to the public, they would've settled this by now, which i think that they already have terms met and are dragging this out to get more FREE MARKETING AND PROMOTION........... you mean to tell me that these guys who have teams of people working for them can't come to a agreement? i'm not buying it, it doesn't take that long to settle something when you have the resources to get shit done. we're being played, and they're using our fandom of boxing to do it.......... i really hope the fight doesn't go off now, because it's nothing but a circus and we're being used more than ever in this one. and if manny pacquiao has to take the random blood testing, THEN EVERY FIGHTER SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM HERE ON OUT, THEY NEED TO MAKE IT A NEW REGULATION AND APPLY IT ACROSS THE BOARD TO EVERYONE, NOT JUST ONE FIGHT IN REGARDS TO ONE FIGHTER..................... it's kind of like the quote from Martin Luther King, " a loss of liberty for one, is a loss of liberty for everyone......." same applies with these olympic style testing, if it's good enough to force onto one fighter, then it should be the standard for every fighter! floyd mayweather may have changed the rules of boxing forever....... maybe we can call it "the mayweather demand" You know what?I have been thinking the same exact thing!IMHO they are really trying to promote this fight to make it the biggest fight in history!I mean they all see chance to make an insane amount of money!Everyone from the trainers to Arum,GBP, to May and Pac himself.And we all know how much these people love money....I mean it's pretty much everything for them. They figure, why take a chance of this fight not being a blockbuster hit??!!They probably figure this is like a once in a lifetime thing and they will do whatever it takes to attract not only traditional and hardcore boxing fans but casual fans,non-boxing fans, celebrities,fans of sports in general and even people that just love to see drama! The only thing that wouldn't make sense if this was the case, is Pacquiao willing to risk his image for money?I mean even if he were to come out clean, there is always going to be some kind of doubt or a cloud over his head.His legacy might be tarnished, I mean of course we the hardcore fans who know the inner-workings and the dirty tactics of the Promoters and such, we would probably accept Pac's innocence.But what about the casual fans?The media etc...they would forever have doubts of Pac and I'm not sure if Pac would be willing to go through that for money???

You know what?I have been thinking the same exact thing!IMHO they are really trying to promote this fight to make it the biggest fight in history!I mean they all see chance to make an insane amount of money!Everyone from the trainers to Arum,GBP, to May and Pac himself.And we all know how much these people love money....I mean it's pretty much everything for them. They figure, why take a chance of this fight not being a blockbuster hit??!!They probably figure this is like a once in a lifetime thing and they will do whatever it takes to attract not only traditional and hardcore boxing fans but casual fans,non-boxing fans, celebrities,fans of sports in general and even people that just love to see drama! The only thing that wouldn't make sense if this was the case, is Pacquiao willing to risk his image for money?I mean even if he were to come out clean, there is always going to be some kind of doubt or a cloud over his head.His legacy might be tarnished, I mean of course we the hardcore fans who know the inner-workings and the dirty tactics of the Promoters and such, would probably accept Pac's innocence.But about the casual fans?The media etc...they would forever have doubts of Pac and I'm not sure if Pac would be willing to go through that for money???

lmao...you probably run that completely biased Pinoy boxing site don't you. gethefuckouttahe You got it wrong, i run brazzers.com still smarting eh, all because of 1 article that doesn't even shit on your boyfriend Floyd. Doesn't change the fact that you can't count. doesn't change the fact that you can't fathom the logic of having a thread title that is identical with the title of the article. You give Floyd fans a bad name. :rofl:

p4p-champ thinks 1 article= plural you can't count Is the article really that misleading? it should have been red k worthy then... Don't blame me if you couldn't understand it, you have poor reading comprehension. I can't believe you are still whining about a thread title that matches the title of the article. lmao...you probably run that completely biased Pinoy boxing site don't you. gethefuckouttahe

What part of "Fight is still under contract negotiation" does Tim doesn't understand? He even consulted a "source familiar to the talks"?!! At this point, he just turned into one of them groups of flomos, trying hard to put stain on Pacman greatness. Rumor-mongering is a sign of gayness.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/12/25/2009-12-25_a_test_of_ethics.html Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao haven't even signed a contract to fight yet, but Pacquiao is already losing. Mayweather's request that Pacquiao submit to random drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency before he signs a contract for the fight has put Pacquiao on his heels and put the proposed March 13 bout in jeopardy. If Pacquiao doesn't agree to the stipulation, then it looks like he's trying to cheat. Pacquiao has never tested positive for any banned substance, but the atmosphere in sports these days is that every athlete is under suspicion of cheating until proven otherwise. Mayweather-Pacquiao has reignited the passion of the mainstream sports fans for boxing. If Pacquiao wants to keep the flames of that passion hot, he will submit to the Olympic-style testing and go forward with the fight. If he doesn't, then everyone will assume he is dirty and his accomplishments of the last two years - knocking out Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto - will be clouded by suspicion, and boxing will have suffered yet another blow below the belt. This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye. Those are disturbing requests. It could just be due diligence on the part of the attorneys negotiating the contract or it could be that Pacquiao has something to hide. The only way to clear up the matter is to agree to the testing. Mayweather has agreed to undergo the same procedures, putting more pressure on Pacquiao. All of Pacquiao's initial arguments against taking the test are specious at best. He's afraid of needles. (How did he get all those tatoos?) He doesn't want to be weakened by having his blood taken so close to the fight. (What happens when he gets cut in a fight?) Bob Arum of Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, said the Filipino fighter doesn't mind taking urine tests, but he doesn't want to submit to the schedule of blood testing as outlined by the USADA. Arum said Pacquiao wants to do three tests - one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Pacquiao's locker room. Arum's schedule has a loophole big enough for a cheating elephant to step through. It seems Pacquiao has trouble with the term "random," which is the linchpin of any reputable drug testing program. And the argument that he would be weakened if he were to take a blood test the week of the fight doesn't hold water. "The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument." Pacquiao has fallen under suspicion because of his meteoric rise from featherweight to welterweight in the last two years. In 2008, he won fights at 130, 135 and 142 pounds - an incredible feat in modern boxing. And he has seemingly gotten more powerful as he has risen in weight. Andre Ward, the WBA 168-pound champion, won a gold medal for the U.S. boxing team at the 2004 Athens Games. He was subjected to testing by the USADA, but he said it never drew blood while he was competing. Ward sides with Mayweather, but can understand Pacquiao's concern over the random testing. He said it's inconvenient, but worthwhile if it keeps you above suspicion. Ward said if there were $40 million at stake, it wouldn't even be a question for him. "I think he needs to do it so that no one is scratching their head and wondering about him," Ward said. "He needs to clear up any doubt. I agree with Mayweather and his camp. They're doing the right thing. They should take all the precautions to make sure that everything is done right. It's good for the sport." oh really he says "According to a source familiar with the talks." tim smiths writes articles coming from HEARSAYS lol who is his source can he give a name??

yet Tim Smith is one of the more respected writers in boxing oh yeah but did u ask him whos his fave boxer?? pretty sure its floyd oh really he says "According to a source familiar with the talks." tim smiths writes articles coming from HEARSAYS lol who is his source can he give a name??

It may not his evidence, but it's indicative of the mess Pac and His Team have gotten themselves into when they could have simply drawn the line in the sand and rejected any other agency to be proposed for drug testing. Instead, Manny's promoter suggests they try the testing agency(s) who tests athletes of other sports.

Posting up false misleading articles accomplishes nothing, much less support far a case with numerous flaws. But enough is enough, you've bored me. p4p-champ thinks 1 article= plural you can't count Is the article really that misleading? it should have been red k worthy then... Don't blame me if you couldn't understand it, you have poor reading comprehension. I can't believe you are still whining about a thread title that matches the title of the article.