A ton of Pac fans and even myself were convinced that the blood testing was ok, just not the day of the fight. We thought maybe 48hrs were ok, 3 days were ok, 5 days, or maybe even a week. Random was ok, just as long as it wasnt the day of the fight. Now the shit is pretty official that despite what some try to say in the media, there stance is 30 days out and non random. They want to test right after the New Year, then wait over a whole month and test again on Feb 13th, and then wait all the way until after the fight. Come on now. Lets say that Pac was juicing. Does he have any chance to fail the test with those dates I just mentioned? Hell NO! 3 test, only 2 before the fight, both over a month apart, and both times he knows exactly when the date is.
Alot of Pac people argued the whole time that if it was like that then it basically would be bad but its not like that. They argued that it was random and that they would allow it a few days or a week before. Now you see its not true. Even with that the Floyd side has given in and they are willing to change some things but they want it random and they dont want all these 30plus day windows. It defeats the whole purpose. Im sure you guys will defend it like it doesnt matter though. I was on Pac's side in some of this but its because I thought they would agree to random and maybe Floyd should accept like 3 days to a week out. Thats not the case though. Whats even more messed up is instead of negotating, it was Arum who immediatly said the fight was off and they are going to do something else. Floyd's team never said they are moving on.
Arum said that if another group does it besides the USADA then they will take it but Floyd's camp dont want that so they are moving on. Then Schaffer came back saying, thats cool and they will use a different source but they just want it to be random and closer than those 30 day splits. Arum is now like, **** it. Were not doing it anymore no matter what. That shit dont sound iffy to you? Again, one of the #1 responses from Pac fans and even some Floyd fans were like, how come Floyd's team wont accept it if they are doing it like a week before and immediatly after. It should be in his system. Now we find out that it was never there real stance. There stance is 30 days out and after the fight. Even the most die hard Pac fans know that he could juice and still easily pass a test in that situation.
That shit looks fishy to me now and there is no way you can put this on Floyd's side. Arum aint even willing to talk. You have alot of Pac fans saying thats good what Arum is doing and that Pac should stick with the lawsuit. What kind of coward talk is that? All of us want to see the fight. I myself took up for Pac when I thought it was random and within a week but 30 days and non random? Come on man. Then over 30 days from the 1st test to the 2nd test also. No one is even talking about that one but you can do alot in that time also. All the Pac fans whole stance was that Pac will do it, just not the day of the fight. Thats what they all say but its not true. They want 30 days.
That shit aint right. Then they want to drop it to fight Paulie or Foreman? There so in a rush to do that? I just hope they come to there senses and come back to this fight. The thing thats so crazy is that they knew ahead of time. Everyone knew what Senior wanted and the Pac side said it was ok. Now they are tripping like they didnt know. If Arum was this upset then why did he even take the contract to Pac and go this far with it from the jump? Something changed and now they dont want it. Then they want to fight Paulie of all people. The same guy who accused them more than anyone and publicly. How does that sound?
The only thing I care about is the fact that Pacquiao has refused to test and he is fighting tooth and nail to not have to test. Those are the acts of a person who has something to hide. My proof is that we all just saw Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod, and countless others athletes react the same way Pac is now when their cover is about to be blown.
Did that refusal came from Pacquiao's own mouth? article sometimes can be misleading. A lot of the articles came from either Arum or Roach statements.
Let's wait till January, things will happen for the better.
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So far the excuses have been.
1. Needle Phobia (no issues before, and Manny even snacks during tat work)
2. Disruptive to his training (Yet Shooting movies, preparing for concerts not an issue)
3. Will make him weak LOL.......
4. Superstitions LOL...... this one really they must have been joking...or must of been lost in translation.....
5. Manny was disrespected and will not then do the test out of principle (yet they looking at Paulie as an option LOL......)
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Mostly on Roach or Arum's statement.
Patience people.
Just look at the damn forum, a complete waste of bandwidth. If you use your common sense you would know, if say for example you're the one being accused of using PED's and people are already accusing you as a cheater when they've got no proof and you have not given your side about the issue and the other side not accusing you and looking at reasons why you haven't taken the test. Which side do you think is being fair and objective?
Everyone's riding on Mayweather Sr.'s d!ck like he's telling the absolute truth. There's still January and we'll have to wait, Manny's mind is on vacation right now, the issue isn't that big in Philippines anyways, it seems they're all in festive mood there.
The only thing I care about is the fact that Pacquiao has refused to test and he is fighting tooth and nail to not have to test. Those are the acts of a person who has something to hide. My proof is that we all just saw Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod, and countless others athletes react the same way Pac is now when their cover is about to be blown.
Just look at the damn forum, a complete waste of bandwidth. If you use your common sense you would know, if say for example you're the one being accused of using PED's and people are already accusing you as a cheater when they've got no proof and you have not given your side about the issue and the other side not accusing you and looking at reasons why you haven't taken the test. Which side do you think is being fair and objective?
Everyone's riding on Mayweather Sr.'s d!ck like he's telling the absolute truth. There's still January and we'll have to wait, Manny's mind is on vacation right now, the issue isn't that big in Philippines anyways, it seems they're all in festive mood there.
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So far the excuses have been.
1. Needle Phobia (no issues before, and Manny even snacks during tat work)
2. Disruptive to his training (Yet Shooting movies, preparing for concerts not an issue)
3. Will make him weak LOL.......
4. Superstitions LOL...... this one really they must have been joking...or must of been lost in translation.....
5. Manny was disrespected and will not then do the test out of principle (yet they looking at Paulie as an option LOL......)
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So whats going to happen when you get proof he is on PED's, are you going to apologize to every one on this board who's calling him a ducker, hider, and worse a user? Are you going to put an asterick besides his previous 3 victories? You dont have proof that he's not on PED's so dont criticize anyone that says he is.
Just look at the damn forum, a complete waste of bandwidth. If you use your common sense you would know, if say for example you're the one being accused of using PED's and people are already accusing you as a cheater when they've got no proof and you have not given your side about the issue and the other side not accusing you and looking at reasons why you haven't taken the test. Which side do you think is being fair and objective?
Everyone's riding on Mayweather Sr.'s d!ck like he's telling the absolute truth. There's still January and we'll have to wait, Manny's mind is on vacation right now, the issue isn't that big in Philippines anyways, it seems they're all in festive mood there.
Do you have any proof that Pacman is a cheater, if you can't give any, stfu. F@ckin accusations with no proof. For all we know, Floyd might be playing mind games at least we have a proof on that based on his last dealing with his opponents.
Pacman has little say about the issue, you know why? We've just celebrated Christmas, his birthday and a few days from now it's New Year. It's one of the major events in Filipino holidays, he's probably enjoying his vacation. For sure by January this thing will be solved.
So stop whining, be patient.
So whats going to happen when you get proof he is on PED's, are you going to apologize to every one on this board who's calling him a ducker, hider, and worse a user? Are you going to put an asterick besides his previous 3 victories? You dont have proof that he's not on PED's so dont criticize anyone that says he is.
that's what you americans dont understand, with you americans, it's all about money. with filipinos it's about HONOR!
As If we filipinos care about that nowadays. Maybe theres few ones. Thats a big maybe.
I dont really believe Manny is on roids but he needs to take the test to shut these crackheads up.
Have said it and i stand by it, Manny has something to hide, They have come out with more excuse than Mel gibson, They have been more elusive than Andre direll and sweet pea Whittker combined.
A 30 day leeway??? Why have the test at all. If the best boxer in the world cannot submit himself to a random test then he has something to hide..WFT 30 days??? GTFOFH.
I hope the fight doesnt happen because he gets his 30 day leeway then if he beat Mayweather it would raise even more question on why he needs 30 days leeway.
Like I said Pacquiao is a liar and that's what he did, he lied. Pacquiao said 1-2 days but they're all in it together, it was Arum throwing that 30 day crap around. It was more obvious that it came from Pacquiao, when he himself said 30 days, not Arum but Pacquiao.
But they want to fight a guy that actually accuse them of been on something??? Paulie M is an option and he isnt been sued?? So paulie M is going to be rewarded with a fight and good pay and probably a beaten but not sued?? lol
exactly man. exactly....ppl CHOSE not to see this above.
There should be a way to work out that window," Schaefer said. "Cutting off 30 days before the fight is not acceptable. Given the time frame (after the governing body's Jan. 19 meeting), it's not going to work. There's not much to be said. They might as well not do it. What's random about that? Nothing. Is it effective? No. Does it do anything? No."
Pac knows when he will be tested....and when he wont be tested..thats not random.
Pac is a fukking cheater and a disgrace to the sport.
Its funny..you say Floyd is on roids...and Floyd is the one PUSHING for random tests.
Because hes clean withnothing to hide..Pac is a fukking cheater and a Roach science expirement.
Do you have any proof that Pacman is a cheater, if you can't give any, stfu. F@ckin accusations with no proof. For all we know, Floyd might be playing mind games at least we have a proof on that based on his last dealing with his opponents.
Pacman has little say about the issue, you know why? We've just celebrated Christmas, his birthday and a few days from now it's New Year. It's one of the major events in Filipino holidays, he's probably enjoying his vacation. For sure by January this thing will be solved.
So stop whining, be patient.
No, it's not his first fight. You got that one right. But it will be his biggest fight to date (IF it happens). And for you saying that Floyd is on drugs is just stupid. Floyd is not the one ducking the tests. Pacquiao is.
Its just as stupid as Floyd Srs claims, is it not?
btw, Manny isn't ducking tests so quit spreading false rumors.
Thanks for bringing up Zab as well. When Zab brought it up, GBP wanted no part of it and didn't do it. Now, they are suddenly advocates for another testing process?
Cheating is cheating no matter how you slice it.
Why hasn't Floyd used this type of testing before?
Its not his first professional fight.
I mean, if anyone has been on steroids, its Floyd.
Fought at 106, moved all the way up to 154 and won a title. Has 5 stoppages in his last 10 fights, 4 of which have come at 140 and above (More than Manny Pacquiao in the same weight range.) Has brittle hands, suffered a broken rib, gets easily rattled with emotions, etc.
No, it's not his first fight. You got that one right. But it will be his biggest fight to date (IF it happens). And for you saying that Floyd is on drugs is just stupid. Floyd is not the one ducking the tests. Pacquiao is.
Thanks for bringing up Zab as well. When Zab brought it up, GBP wanted no part of it and didn't do it. Now, they are suddenly advocates for another testing process?
Cheating is cheating no matter how you slice it.
Why hasn't Floyd used this type of testing before?
Its not his first professional fight.
I mean, if anyone has been on steroids, its Floyd.
Fought at 106, moved all the way up to 154 and won a title. Has 5 stoppages in his last 10 fights, 4 of which have come at 140 and above (More than Manny Pacquiao in the same weight range.) Has brittle hands, suffered a broken rib, gets easily rattled with emotions, etc. and the huge story is NOT him being on Peds, its him refusing testing.
Im making a prediction that everything will be resolved at a one-week cut off.
I'm just hoping that Pacquiao and co. are playing unusual mind games to GBP and the Mayweathers. Unusual mind games..... :ugh:
so ask urself this. A single accusation of cheating = no big deal. A single accusation of PEDs= a big deal. Mannys reaction and resistance to set a new standard in sports, that's y. "its never been done before" ok let's start it then. "why all of a sudden" y not? This can be used as a platform for kids all over the world wanting to be great. Those short/skinny that think u need enhances to make it. Let's show our kids they don't need that.. All this dodging a test for this and that is bs, manny should WANT to do this. Now, he NEEDS to to do it. If the fight goes on I can hear the announcer now "manny did not test, is his image hurt by this?" YES!
What boxing publications or major news outlets made a big deal out of Pacs marital affairs?
What boxing publications made an extremely huge deal out of his adultery?
Huge as in, the leading story on major news stations. so ask urself this. A single accusation of cheating = no big deal. A single accusation of PEDs= a big deal. Mannys reaction and resistance to set a new standard in sports, that's y. "its never been done before" ok let's start it then. "why all of a sudden" y not? This can be used as a platform for kids all over the world wanting to be great. Those short/skinny that think u need enhances to make it. Let's show our kids they don't need that.. All this dodging a test for this and that is bs, manny should WANT to do this. Now, he NEEDS to to do it. If the fight goes on I can hear the announcer now "manny did not test, is his image hurt by this?" YES!
Now that I brought up Mosley (who's a great fighter by the way), I would like to address that Zab Judah also demanded Mosley to be tested more effectively when their fight was being scheduled.
As for Floyd being overweight against Marquez is not the same thing as taking illegal substances. I really do hope you can see the difference right? And he was fined...Pacquiao and his team demanded $10million for every pound over 147. Floyd agreed to that. Why can't Pacquiao agree to go through the USADA protocols? It's not like he's alone. Mayweather has got to go through the same testing method.
Thanks for bringing up Zab as well. When Zab brought it up, GBP wanted no part of it and didn't do it. Now, they are suddenly advocates for another testing process?
Cheating is cheating no matter how you slice it.
Why hasn't Floyd used this type of testing before?
Its not his first professional fight.
I mean, if anyone has been on steroids, its Floyd.
Fought at 106, moved all the way up to 154 and won a title. Has 5 stoppages in his last 10 fights, 4 of which have come at 140 and above (More than Manny Pacquiao in the same weight range.) Has brittle hands, suffered a broken rib, gets easily rattled with emotions, etc.
i agree. it would be good for the sport to impose stricter drug testing... but manny has every right to reject it. he isn't obligated to take the tests, especially when the reason behind the test is not for the betterment of the sport, but because of malicious attacks on his name and accomplishments.
LOL this is so ****ing weak man. Now the excuse of Manny refusing to test is because of name calling lol..........
List of excuses
1. Needle Phobia
2. Disruptive to training camp
3. Will make him weak
4. Superstitions
5. Now because of name calling.
Interesting that you brought up Shane.
That happened, what, 6 years ago?
Why wait until now?
Why not question any other fighters if this is solely based on being fair in the sport?
lol, being fair. So fair and respectful to the sport of boxing,
that he came in overweight, purposely,
in his last fight.
Now that I brought up Mosley (who's a great fighter by the way), I would like to address that Zab Judah also demanded Mosley to be tested more effectively when their fight was being scheduled.
As for Floyd being overweight against Marquez is not the same thing as taking illegal substances. I really do hope you can see the difference right? And he was fined...Pacquiao and his team demanded $10million for every pound over 147. Floyd agreed to that. Why can't Pacquiao agree to go through the USADA protocols? It's not like he's alone. Mayweather has got to go through the same testing method.
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