pretty depressing all the idiots celebrating that pbc is here to stay. Do you guys want the sport to completely die or something, cause thats what PBC is, is a tumour thats sucking all the life and energy out of the sport
Without PBC all there is crappy HBO. That'd really be sad.
Not that big of a surprise. They only take about 10% of the total revenue. Because they have to split it with Showtime, it's even lower so it makes sense that it was only about $9M.
10% would be $43.5 million. Split 50/50 would have been $21.75 for HBO.
Looks more like HBO takes 5%.
After marketing, production, and replay license fees... you could be looking at zero.
9 mil profit is pretty good.
That'd mean that a HBO PPV with 1 million buys would generate $4 million - marketing/production/replay.
A 500,000 buy PPV would generate $2 million - marketing/production/replay.
A 250,000 buy PPV would generate $1 million - marketing/production/replay.
Peanuts in the end.
PPV supposed to supplement not be the main source of income for boxing. HBO uses boxing to get subscribers. The same way they use GOT to get subscribers. Boxing PPV is the only programming HBO can see an immediate profit from without relying on monthly subscriptions.
Exactly. Glad that you pointed that out for the delusional here...
I thought this has already been cleared and it's general knowledge that HBO would rather show fights on regular cable, but greedy promoters and fighters want it on PPV. Shining example is Pacquiao's next fight. Arum wants to do it his way without HBO.
No proof is needed.
The proof is needed in terms of actual dollar figures that HBO doesn't make much $$$ at all from PPV.
Not even sure why Ward-Kovalev is on PPV. Not like main events or rocnation have the resources to stage their own PPVs.
And you're hell bent on blaming the network instead of the greedy fighters and promoters. Boxing is not charity doe.
Not at all... I'm just explaining the financial breakdowns.
Whoever is at fault is not my concern at all.
Fights on regular HBO cost them money. They probably get the replay for free and get their name attached to the big fights. Profit is always better than expense.
Nope. They gotta pay good $$$ for replay rights and production.
HBO was not the main network in that fight. Do you have any info on how much CBS made from that fight? It appears they didn't make much either considering they hardly produced fights for the rest of that year.
Don't forget that they're dealing with greedy boy Floyd.
The point is that HBO nor Showtime make any serious money from PPVs.
Let's put that myth to rest.
It sucks that HBO didn't put the Mayweather-Pacquiao PPV profits back into the sport. Instead that money went into their executives pockets.
Mayweather-Pacquiao wasn't just Arum and Haymon cashing out, HBO cashed out too.
How much did HBO actually make from MayPac?
Top Rank is in real trouble. They actually have some good prospects like Verdejo, Valdez and the Ukrainians but they have no depth. Hard to run a boxing promotion with 5 world level fighters.
With only 3 HBO dates a year, Top Rank is the ghetto of promotional entities. No money to pay their roster... Ghetto
I would have to research for the actual number, but it's safe to assume it was at least 3x their HBO Boxing budget in 2016.
How so? From what I understand majority went to fighters, promoters, and cable/satellite.
Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively.
That's retarded... CBS is definitely in play for PBC.
They already got UFC Fight Pass or whatever its called. That doesn't make HBO money bad. I'm confident the UFC will be getting TV money for years to come well beyond 2018 & would gladly take HBO's money if offered & if it makes sense.
There is a discussion to be had by UFC heads if going to a niche market like HBO makes sense to them I imagine. The UFC has largely grown off of free TV with monthly PPV's. Adding a premium cable tier might not be something they are looking to do. The reality is HBO & the UFC have talked before & I believe they will talk again as the allure of boxing dwindles with younger people & the appeal of MMA with younger people increases.
And lol at UFC being bigger than HBO. Last I heard the UFC was worth about 4B & HBO about 5x-20x that.
That's retarded... UFC gets $100 million a year from FOX right now. They'll be looking for $150 million in 2019 at a MINIMUM.
HBO has less than $25 million annually to spend on HBO Sports.
Like I said, retarded.
I'm don't remember, but at the time wasn't Donaire the big draw, which is why so much was offer for the fight? Weren't they trying to make him the next Filipino superstar and therefore maybe thought the money was good investment?
The "big draw"? Based on what metric exactly?
Jose Aldo from UFC got $400k in UFC 194 vs Conor McGregor. Aldo was the #1 P4P fighter if i'm not mistaken. Is it me or is HBO trying to copy Dana White purses? I think that's what they're trying to do. Maybe they are asking themselves, hey these guys want a million dollars but can't even generate a million dollars. They're leaving the million dollar pay days to the more popular fighters it seems. And that clown Roman Gonzalez wants $2million for Estrada, i'd be surprised if he can headline his own show and sell $2million worth of tickets. I know that's not how boxing purses are determined, but it seems like HBO is trying to give boxers what they can actually generate. And even then, that is still pretty generous compared to UFC.
If that was true neither Kovalev or GGG would be getting a million.
Kovalev-Mohammed did nothing.
Sure HBO are throwing 1/4 of what the UFC is currently getting on boxing with its old audience, but I believe they would pay more for a younger MMA audience.
Maybe they'll just f#ck with a lesser MMA league if they can't afford the UFC. Either way I suspect we'll be seeing MMA on HBO sooner or later.
Nope.
They'll just invest in more original series.Way more $$$ than live sports.
There is no lesser MMA league... Bellator is owned by Viacom. Retarded.
are walters and lomachenko huge draws and get huge ratings? what am i missing? they were simply overpaid in the past. doens't mean hbo should continue to make the same mistake in the present. ggg makes more because he draws more fans and better ratings. too simple?
and yes the pbc has a short term plan of overpaying their fighters massively and losing money but hbo can't play that game with them since they don't have the budget. they are just waiting for the pbc to either go away or for the pbc to destroy them. even if hbo does fail there is not enough money in the pbc/showtime combined to pay all these fighters those huge salaries so unfortunately we just have to wait until the money runs out.
Rigondeaux made $750k against Donaire.
I think giving fans a fight they want might help them in this endeavor, if in fact Haymon and Espinoza are working together to kill HBO as you suggest.
TR doing fights on SHowtime would be a good thing so long as its what we as fans want. I don't care what network Crawford v Postol is on, just that it happens.
Boxing fans want to see the best fights and if SHowtime provides that, fans (except bigdunny1, one punch, daggum and some others) will support that.
Let TR, GBP, and HBO die first. Then pick up the pieces later.
So thats all they should show? There is some guy who always talks about Cops & reality show production costs & ratings in PBC threads like network TV should just be 24/7 reality shows & PBC has no reason to exist in that marketplace cuz reality shows are such good investments with low risk & high potential rewards. People tend to like an assortment of programming. Some cats don't like reality shows, some cats don't like HBO original programming. And for sure I think most people don't want 24/7 reality shows or HBO shows. They want choices.
HBO makes 95% of their profits from original programming.
No need to spend on second tier events. It would be entirely different if they did 4 premium fights a year on regular HBO... Kovalev-Ward, GGG-Canelo, Fury-Wilder, Bradley-Pac.
Just 4 premium events with 24/7 would be better than what they have now.
Again we will see. HBO has expressed interest in MMA before. Its a young growing sport with young fans. There is a lot of money to be made for the people aligned with MMA. HBO could make much dumber decisions than making a play for MMA. You may think its retarded, but I think thats based on short sightedness.
They can make 10X more from original programming that does MARGINABLY well...
Weak business model? That's how boxing has been run for like the past 50 years.
The problem isn't Arum in this case. It's HBO. Arum is just suffering because of it. Their business model isn't what's wrong.
And that is why you and people who think like you just don't get it.
Boxing promoters have garbage business models.
I doubt HBO gets outta live sports completely, but we'll see about that. And there are a bunch of lesser MMA leagues. The guy who started Pride just finished his non-compete clause & started Rizen which is already a player in MMA with just 3 events.
What channel are they currently doing massive ratings on that HBO would want to pay a premium for?
Nowhere... retarded
Just post a link to the source. It's actually required that you do so.
It's not that people don't believe you, it's just dumb to post a thread like this without stating the source.
I could literally make a thread right now titled "Wladimir Klitschko tests positive for HGH, rematch with Fury Off".
I get inside info days before the media will report it.
Haymon is still signing fighters. Is that the move a man running a sinking operation would make? The man has 450 mil to invest in his project. You really think he blew through that in 12 months?
Exactly... the summer will be on fire with Haymon shows while HBO waits for Ward-Kovalev in November. LOL