Lomachenko-Walters OFF because Top Rank has no leverage

It it were the opposite and Loma wanted more money people would go absolutely crazy. Boxing YouTubers would already have videos saying how Loma is ducking Walters and what not. It's hilarious.http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=705824 Check this out Loma says he will givr him 300k

It it were the opposite and Loma wanted more money people would go absolutely crazy. Boxing YouTubers would already have videos saying how Loma is ducking Walters and what not. It's hilarious.

So basically, it's always Arum's fault no matter what. Arum doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me

A lot of guys deserve more, especially in the lower divisions, but good luck with that unless you bring a strong fanbase. Loma (or Walters) doesn't, however elite amateurs get more leeway, signing bonuses, better purses, that's boxing for you. But the real story here is Loma is willing to take a big paycut, more in line with what he brings, for this much more dangerous fight. That's very rare, and I bet scores lots of points with his promoter. And again, both guys have a single top 10 win, and Russell Jr is a better FW than Donaire IMO. 50/50, Loma going up in weight, its quite fair. Should be a bigger pie, but nobody offering My issue is the fact that Arum has so far paid Walters a career high purse in the 300,000s, while paying Loma 750k to beat nobodies. Walters needs to simply leave Top Rank. He'd get more money than that from PBC. People can hate on Haymon all they want. He'd match Loma and Walters, and pay them both a nice purse.

You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum. A lot of guys deserve more, especially in the lower divisions, but good luck with that unless you bring a strong fanbase. Loma (or Walters) doesn't, however elite amateurs get more leeway, signing bonuses, better purses, that's boxing for you. But the real story here is Loma is willing to take a big paycut, more in line with what he brings, for this much more dangerous fight. That's very rare, and I bet scores lots of points with his promoter. And again, both guys have a single top 10 win, and Russell Jr is a better FW than Donaire IMO. 50/50, Loma going up in weight, its quite fair. Should be a bigger pie, but nobody offering

You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum. Relative to the previous payday. But that's not the real representative of what they should actually be getting paid. I could pay Andre Berto $5 million to fight a bum. It doesn't make him worth $5 mil and doesn't mean he should be expecting to get paid more than $510 mil if I asked him to fight someone like Thurman or Garcia or whoever.

Loma is taking less money for this fight. Mabye if Walters focuses on what he's actually worth as opposed to caring about what other people are getting, it wouldn't be a problem. I get that he wants money, but if he's the one holding up the fight because he wants money he doesn't deserve (just because someone got overpaid last year or the year before), then I'm going to criticize him. That's the reason Rigo is a bum. Instead of taking what he's worth, he's more concerned about what everyone else is making. You make no sense. Lomachenko was paid 750K to fight a bum last time out. For both guys to fight each other, they both deserve more than that 750K. I don't have an issue with Walters wanting more money. Out of the two, Walters is the more fan friendly fighter, and fighter who has actually done something. Lomachenko and his brilliant boxing against bums, had done nothing to earn a 750K pay day. Now that he got it, it makes Arum look like a **** face, for preferential treatment. And makes this bout hard to make with the current HBO brass, not caring much for Arum.

Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively. That's retarded... CBS is definitely in play for PBC.

Why should SHO bail out Top Rank when Top Rank's demise benefits SHO? SHO is firmly aligned with Al Haymon. The more non-Haymon promoters struggle, the more talent Haymon will acquire and the better chance SHO has of competing, beating and possibly defeating HBO. Showtime, more than anyone, should be rooting for the demise of the PBC. If it fails, all of Haymons fighters will be boxing on Showtime pretty much exclusively.

I simply don't believe that Arum, at all of 85 years old, has it in him to ever be different, and my guess is that that is the sense that ST will take with them towards any Arum offer. Because, let's keep to reality here; if Kovalev gets beat(no other marketable fighters under the Main Events umbrella), and Andre Ward walks(HBO's backing was whatever, and he's built his entire career on Showtime; a deal could be worked out similar to the Provodnikov/Banner Promotions deal), HBO would be seriously hurting for boxing contact. If you seriously doubt Arum wouldn't say '**** you' to whatever handshake deal he had with Showtime (contracts cut both way) to head back to HBO (who have basically let him operate as he wished for the vast majority of the last 15 years), you're kidding yourself. If you want to blame Showtime for not wanting to risk getting burned again, so be it. So basically, it's always Arum's fault no matter what.

And sure, Arum was at fault in prior years. But if ST doesn't want to make a deal now, then it's as much on them as with Arum. It may have been on Arum before but if he makes a (fair) offer and they refuse, what do you want me to do? Call Arum a crook for being a bad guy before even if he's different now? I simply don't believe that Arum, at all of 85 years old, has it in him to ever be different, and my guess is that that is the sense that ST will take with them towards any Arum offer. Because, let's keep to reality here; if Kovalev gets beat(no other marketable fighters under the Main Events umbrella), and Andre Ward walks(HBO's backing was whatever, and he's built his entire career on Showtime; a deal could be worked out similar to the Provodnikov/Banner Promotions deal), HBO would be seriously hurting for boxing contact. If you seriously doubt Arum wouldn't say '**** you' to whatever handshake deal he had with Showtime (contracts cut both way) to head back to HBO (who have basically let him operate as he wished for the vast majority of the last 15 years), you're kidding yourself. If you want to blame Showtime for not wanting to risk getting burned again, so be it.

Simple point is that the guys mentioned won't be available, largely because Arum is involved and has burned bridges with basically everyone sans HBO (with that relationship starting to fray as well). Arum isn't just seen as a crook; he's seen as arguably the biggest crook in the modern history of boxing, with Don King the only guy close. Todd DuBoef seems to have none of the baggage that Arum has, with anyone really, and has been in a major role in the company for years now. Bob Arum has extended olive branches before, only for the folks accepting of it finding out that he was really offering poison sumac (offering Pacquiao's services to Showtime in the explicit aim of goosing the HBO offer, the tirade against MGM Resorts, suing Al Haymon/etc for $100m for being anti-competitive after earning $100m working with Haymon/etc on a fight, tricking Paquiao out of his position, etc). Nobody trusts Arum and, frankly, that's understandable. give DuBoef the shot to reconcile things behind a clean slate. And sure, Arum was at fault in prior years. But if ST doesn't want to make a deal now, then it's as much on them as with Arum. It may have been on Arum before but if he makes a (fair) offer and they refuse, what do you want me to do? Call Arum a crook for being a bad guy before even if he's different now?

Marquez wouldn't dare fight a guy like Crawford unless he wanted to get embarrassed. Doesn't sound like Marquez is even in the running for the Crawford date. Even if he does come back, he'll probably take a soft touch.

Supposedly Jose Felix Jr. is the leading candidate. Marquez wouldn't dare fight a guy like Crawford unless he wanted to get embarrassed.

Should have made this fight for a PPv card.. Crawford-marquez Loma-Walters verdejo-??? Supposedly Jose Felix Jr. is the leading candidate.

Should have made this fight for a PPv card.. Crawford-marquez Loma-Walters verdejo-???

TR has a lot of good fighters available that would make it worthwhile if guys like Garcia, Khan, Proter, Thurman, Broner, etc are available. A lot of doors would open for both sides. And while Arum is a crook, Haymon isn't exactly a saint either. While Arum has a lot of faults in prior years, I'm not going to criticize him if he decides to extend the olive branch and the other side wants to be bitter about it. That goes both ways too with Haymon and HBO. Simple point is that the guys mentioned won't be available, largely because Arum is involved and has burned bridges with basically everyone sans HBO (with that relationship starting to fray as well). Arum isn't just seen as a crook; he's seen as arguably the biggest crook in the modern history of boxing, with Don King the only guy close. Todd DuBoef seems to have none of the baggage that Arum has, with anyone really, and has been in a major role in the company for years now. Bob Arum has extended olive branches before, only for the folks accepting of it finding out that he was really offering poison sumac (offering Pacquiao's services to Showtime in the explicit aim of goosing the HBO offer, the tirade against MGM Resorts, suing Al Haymon/etc for $100m for being anti-competitive after earning $100m working with Haymon/etc on a fight, tricking Paquiao out of his position, etc). Nobody trusts Arum and, frankly, that's understandable. give DuBoef the shot to reconcile things behind a clean slate.

maybe half of the posters on this website like boxing and the other half are weird, creepy guys who are fans of "al haymon" or "top rank" and get all excited and happy when a fight is cancelled because it "proves them right" honestly the strangest way to spend your time

HBO paid Golovkin 1.5 million to beat up bum Monroe but they want to pay 500k for a glamour fight like Walters vs Loma? It'd why HBO only appeals to racist losers. You confuse HBO paid with Golvkin was paid. Unlike other fighters GGG sells out arena's and makes events profitable. For some reason people think that live gate means nothing. It does when you are filling arenas at $200 a seat.

I don't get why people are bringing up that Loma got 750K for his last fight, what the hell does that have to do with this fight? How is that relevant to the Walters fight? So what, Loma got a good paycheck for his last fight, good for him and hopefully he keeps getting more good paychecks. Other fighters made more for less than spectacular opponents, so why is it a problem when Loma makes a good amount for his last fight? It doesn't make any sense, because Lomachenko is not the one asking for more money to face Walters. Walters is the one that wants more money. Walters asked for a later date and he got it. The fight, if it were to happen, will be at 130 for Walters. Lomachenko will more than likely be stripped out of his WBO Featherweight belt as well. Also, Lomachenko would be taking less money for Walters, so what exactly is the problem? Lomachenko is taking a paycut for Walters. Bringing up that he got 750K for his last fight makes no sense since he is showing that he's willing to take less money for a riskier fight. He's also putting more on the line. Loma will have to move up and the WBO will strip him. The Walters fight will not even be for a belt. It's that simple, but people still don't get it It's crazy to me. Lomachenko is willing to take risks and HBO still doesn't appreciate him. That's a different story though.