He needs to get out of Alabama in the out in nowhere land training facility with the same guys, same sparring partners Mode . He needs to actually surround himself with reputable trainers most of all who will know how to teach and get through to him ,just because someone was a success themselves don’t mean they train very good. All the hillbilly southern guys will ruin it for him again he really needs a reality check and be by intelligent people in Detroit or NY and really dig into him or he has no chance at all. Who knows what they were feeding his brain this entire time it’s almost like he was on another planet the entire time .
Breland isn't a bad trainer, Deontay don't listen to anyone. He doesn't do roadwork. As soon as I hear anyone declare themselves too good for roadwork, I know defeat isnt far behind.
What can Wilder work on to win his third fight with Fury ?
The first thing in my mind is stamina. He has zero ability to handle any kind of pace. The rest won't matter if he's knackered by round 2.
He's levels above them. But even then it just takes one shot. You can't have seen many worse cuts than Fury's against Wallin make it the distance?
He beats Wilder 4/5 I reckon.
The rest he's 9/10.
Except for Joshua. A boxer/puncher vs a boxer. Fury still isn't a puncher - even at that huge weight. I think, and have always thought, that AJ is all wrong for Fury. He's not good enough to bully AJ. He'll take too many shots. And if he stays outside he won't have the luxury of only taking a couple of shots like against Wilder - AJ will land more regularly.
Its funny because I always thought this until I saw AJ against Parker. He refused to engage and if Parker had had abit more height and reach AJ would've probably had real problems. AJ was abit gun shy, and now hes probably going to be worse. He's not marching in on Fury. Nobody considered Ruiz a puncher either, but he didn't need to be. I think AJ looks like Wlad did against Fury. Unsure and stiif, unable to take the chances he'd need to to get in range and put it on Fury.
Everyone is a king and a pharaoh, every woman on social media is a queen or a princess. What people need is a dose of reality. What you are is a nobody commenting on somebodies. This is wisdom.. Lol
It all depends. The likes of Saunders and Smith can make abit of money fighting each other, then a Eubank, some easy defences, it all adds up. What's more interesting to me is Canelo going to actually fight a young and ambitious guy for once. Smith looked extremely vulnerable last time out, being outboxed by the 5 foot 8 John Ryder.Saunders looked like trash last time out too. What's the delay?
I notice that some of the biggest Fury fans on this site are already getting cold feet and backtracking and playing nice now that the fight is about to happen. LOL. Cowards just like their idol.
For the last few years ever since Fury juiced up to beat an old Wlad, Fury fans have been some of the most intolerable disrespectful racist snake crowd on this site spewing some of the dumbest shyt.
And yet now that they know their Gypsy Queen has a chance of getting knocked spark out tonight I notice alot of them have been trying to act “mature” and “respectful”, backtracking and saying shyt like “don’t throw shade on whoever losses” and “both men are warriors”. LMAO. PVSSY JUST LIKE THEIR IDOL GYPSY QUEEN.
If Queen Fury goes to sleep tonight, her pvssy fans deserve NO MERCY after their behavior the last couple of years.
Because I guarantee you if Wilder or AJ losses, these snake Fury fans will forget about the “respectful” chants and attack with venom.
No mercy for those who will show you none.
So fighting men are *****s and cowards, but guys who type anonymously into a keyboard show "no mercy"?.. No wonder you got bullied in school..
Tyson fought every fight he ever faced the same, he never adjusted his style. When something didn't work he'd go right back and do the same thing again and again.
Tyson was never the kind of fighting that WITHOUT HURTING his opponent would win alot of rounds.
David Tua who had a similar style to Tyson, could win rounds against an opponent even though he may not have hurt him in the round. Tyson usually couldn't or was less likely to.
So back to the original question, who else agrees that Tyson was a 1 dimensional.
There's been plenty of fighters who were good but very 1 dimensional Mosley, Trinidad, Tszyu, and most recently Wilder
The first version of Tyson could actually box on hes toes, and outjab much taller guys on the outside. The Tucker fight showed that. There's also an exhibition with Tillis where he boxes beautifully on the outside. We didn't see much of this, but that's because he gradually lost the conditioning to box and move as he's lifestyle went down the toilet.
Foreman batters Fury to bits. I think the 2nd coming of Foreman beats him as well.
Who the guy who lost to abit of stick and move against Morrison? Doubt it, and I think George is great. I don't think the guy who shared a ring with Jimmy Young beats him either. He never liked movers.
Interesting fight, but people always hark back to Frazier to see how Foreman deals with shorter bobbing weaving types. But you can alway look how often an easy an old very fat Qawi landed shot after shot on Foreman while taking very little on return before he totally gased. I think the prime Mike, the guy of the Tucker fight, outboxes Foreman.
Jimmy Young and Morrison showed both versions of George struggled with movers. And they weren't the greatest movers either. Fury might be able to outbox him.
i listed them all previous. u didnt notice any of it.
the fact you pretend it doesnt exist says that to you this is more about floyd and joe.
to me it matters i am brit, since it means i am fractionally in favour of brits, they are my main source i am exposed to. if u dont see this no problemo, i have no issue admitted if i have bias.
No, you started the convo based on Floyd and Joe, you're alone in thinking Ottke compares to Calzaghe. You didnt list the opposition Sven fought, or all the robberies he was awarded, because its laughable. I'm a "Brit" and it has no effect on me knowing that Canelo is better than Billy Joe Saunders, or that Roy Jones in hes prime would've beaten Nigel Benn. But to say that yeah, both guys had alot of defences, one guy fought the guys who were hes biggest rivals for number one at the weight at the time, travelled, beat a still good fighter at a higher weight, and often fought in memorabke performances, is the same level as a guy who fought no one at the highest level, and got the benefit of several robberies while not travelling and boring the pants of everyone.. Well, you know well enough..
Calzaghe was a better fighter than Ottke.
But their careers are pretty comparable. Both had loads of title defenses against poor opponents outside the Top 5.
Only difference is Calzaghe has Kessler, Lacy and Hopkins which Ottke doesn’t have.
And even an older Jones, Eubank, Brewer, Veit, Reid, at the stages he fought them, better than anyone who got robbed against Ottke. How many times did Ottke go abroad and face anyone. Who did he fight that was arguably the best at hes weight. Youre smoking something strong.
you cant just get away with saying i didnt summary list them when i clearly did on page one, bit of a shameful attempt mate.
comeback when you feel more honest.
it is good that you expanded on my list though, thats what threads are for.
The most shameful thing I saw is someone trying to compare a guy who fought the best rivals he's division had to offer at the time, and travelled, and beat undefeated challengers, with a guy like Sven, who followed the Saunders model of lots of soft defences to make money, never aspiring to test himself at a higher level. I mean, theres just no comparison, and personal dislike shouldnt lead you to downgrade a fighter that much. I don't like quite a few fighters personally, but i dont play the "trash a career in retrospect" game. It's easy to do. List me any fighter and I can pretty much undo all their accomplishments.Sven may have had more similarity to a guy like Eubank, who made alot of home defences, got a few gifts, fought hes domestic rivals, but had no interest in Toney Jones ect. But even Eubank tested himself more imo. And was a damn sight better to watch
Well yeah like I said Calzaghe is better and had a better career but their careers are similar in the sense Calzaghe fought 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in the division being fought in.
I don’t know how many Ottke fought. Likely around the same there or there abouts.
It dont sound like you know anything about Ottke at all. He was never a star, never gets a mention, and there's a reason for that. He fought no one, and got alot of gifts.Jes about as close to Joe as Joppy was to Hopkins.
.
joes lowblowing Hopkins to stop himself getting KOed in seconds after getting floored is better than Ottke too.
He wasn't hurt after that knockdown, even Bhop knew that. Bhop lying on the floor pretending to be hit low is one of the most cringy moments I recent boxing history. Not as bad as he's faking with Dawson though. And Allen. And he's glass head in Jones two. Has anyone tried to get guys disqualified as much as Bhop has?
Since someone put Calzaghe in the wrong category next to mayweathe, i am correcting it by putting him next to someone in his league sven ottke.
but who is the best record of these two battling smws? calzaghes solid run from lacy to kessler of 4 recognised defences after winning first title at age 34? plus 17 unrecognised defences. 1 defence was for joint title.
or sven with 20 recognised defences, 4 for joint title? winning his first recog title at 29, 5 years befoe joe age and in his 13th fight not his 41st as with joe?
i wuld say calzaghes a bit ahead even though sven has much greater numbers...but i am biased brit.
Sven never fought anyone near Joe's level. He's alot closer to Mayweather level than Ottke. Could say Eubank was hes Hernandez, Lacey he's Corrales, Reid he's Castillo, Jones and Hopkins he's Mosley and Cotto. Kessler he's Manny. Sven ran alot, stole a few decisions, never beat a real rival for number one at supermiddle. Didn't ever travel abroad like Joe did. No comparison.
3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in the division being fought in is a poor career. It just is.
Better than Ottke’s clearly, without those very few wins though it’s not.
He had alot of pull outs, but inkie say Saunders, he got around to the top men. He had a few unbeaten challengers, like Veit, Mitchell, Sheika. I don't think there was anyone he glaringly ducked.
Well once again I have already clearly stated that Cazlaghe’s career is better than Ottke’s due to Kessler, Hopkins and Lacy you don’t need to convince me that Calzaghe is better and had a better career than Ottke I have said it numerous times.
But their careers are comparable.
Both had 21 title defenses, barely any of which were in the Top 5. That’s just a fact
Glen Johnson isn’t a great win for Ottke. It’s still better than most of Calzaghe’s wins at 168 though. Which just speaks volumes to how poor both their careers were really.
Calzaghes wasn't poor career. I mean, it's a shame Jones and Bhop came so late, but you can say that's about lots of fighters at the time. Bhops middleweight rein included alot of Welters, light middles, never wades and two losses to Taylor. Still would t compare him to Otttke. The thing is Sven never tried to challenge himself, there was never any talks about getting big fights. It's the German way, now the British way for guys like Saunders and Eubank. Make plenty of low level defences and pay your mortgage. Calzaghe and Hatton did it but they both wanted to test themselves against the best and did it. They travelled also. I can't see the similarities with guys like Ottke and Maske, even Abraham entered a proper tourney. I think that makes your career alot more impressive. But that's just my opinion.
actually all the comparison points favour ottke.
but i still think joe edges him out, but i am brit.
may is much miles ahead of ottke, os the same applies with joe and may.
It doesnt matter that you keep saying you're a brit. To say the comparison favours Ottke, but you can't name any comparable big names he fought or beat or any time he travelled to do it just shows you haven't a real argument. It's more about Joe vs Floyd to you. Which isn't the subject here but is in a round about way when you have an agenda.
Wasn’t a fan when he was fighting same way I wasn’t a fan of Calzaghe’s because they both fought mostly unranked poor opponents. Joe has Kessler, Lacy and Hopkins (the only fighters get fought ranked in the Top 5) so obviously that puts him above Ottke because he doesn’t have any wins of that calibur.
Again, not disputing Calzaghe had the much better career but they both had 21 title defenses of which over 90% of those were not ranked in the Top 5 in the division.
So, there’s clear parallels between the two.
Well yeah, if Joe was gifted about 7 wins, never left hes hometown, and never tested himself against a live fighter lol. Have you ever made yourself sit through Ottke though, be honest. He makes Calzaghe look like a combo of Gatti and Sugar Ray Leonard.
see if that is cringey as you want to see it, then calzaghe needing to lowblow hopkins to survive what you think is a flash, is doubly cringey.
You cant accept one fact and not the other when they are both of the same premise.
getting koed in 1 or 2 rounds is way worse an outcome than being outgassed in round 11 when you are 43.
Come on man, i know you don't like him, but don't pretend even you think he was in any trouble in round one. He wasn't wobbled at all. But for a fact, when hoping took the break later on to get hes breath back, it's clear, on video for all to see, nothing hit him low at all, nothing. Pathetic poor acting, from someone who's done it before and did it since.
Probably better than Eubank.
Lacy’s garbage but he had hype so can’t say that.
Kessler of course not.
But still, the fact it’s better than most his wins speaks volumes really..
Eubank had certainly achieved more than Johnson at the time. He was never beaten by the calibre fighters Johnson lost to, never stopped, fought capably at cruiserweight against a decent powerful champion. Nah, i put him ahead of Johnson. Lacy may never have done anything again, but he was the man at the time. Seen as a big star, a favourite against Calzaghe. The beating Lacy got would've altered quite a few fighters. Alot of fighters look worse in retrospect. Kessler obviously a good fighter. So was Bhop at the time Joe beat him btw. Pavlic and Pascal proved that
Underrated win, Joe wasn't young either by then. An Bhop was having to fake low blows late on just to get hes breath back to stay in there. Better than anything Ottke done.
Did you actually just compare Robin Reid to Jose Luis Castillo :lol1:
Mikkel Kessler to Manny Pacquaio? :lol1:
Every last one of those comparisons is totally absurd.
I was comparing it to the trajectory of Ottkes career. As in Calzaghe fought the best guys he could get at the time. Sven fought no one who had a relevant position in the division when he inhabited it. Of course the lighter weight divisions were ten times better than the middle to supermiddle divisions at the time Calzaghe was there.
Ottke’s terrible I’m well aware :lol1:
I don’t think Ottke won that many robberies myself to be honest, a lot of close fights.
Obviously Reid was a robbery. But I thought Reid beat Calzaghe (not a robbery)
A lot of those wins were either way fights IMO. I can’t think of any one that was a robbery. Maybe Brewer? Going off memory here.
Either way they both beat a long list of poor opponents that’s just how it is. Ottke beat Johnson too (green) and that’s better than most of Calzaghe’s wins at 168 tbh.
I don't know if I'd rate Ottkes win over Johnson too highly, at that stage Glenn had lots of losses. I remember him fighting Toks Owoh being the underdog. He'd became a real journeyman at one point. Better than Kessler, Lacy, Eubank wins? Not for me.
Trying to make reality fit their worldview. It's the modern thing. Nobody can accept any result that goes against them. Something to do with school and loonie lefties I suppose.
The fact is though he made no excuses at all until he was selling the rematch. Wilder and he's fans, after making a string of excuses for the first fight, and calling for no excuses from Fury, now have the longest list of absurd excuses in boxing history. They started the moment the fight ended, unlike AJ with Ruiz, they couldn't even let Fury have hes moment. "I was never hurt by Fury", such embarrassing cringe.