Or, because AJ has a British accent and says his excuses in a more refined way, do we not count them as excuses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fzLUc5ZvmEc&feature=emb_logo
You sure you're not just making this up? I can't find it anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fzLUc5ZvmEc&feature=emb_logo
7:00 minutes in
Says he heard the crowd boo after the first round...so he changed his style to try and please them, otherwise he could have 'cruised'
Yep yep. Every fighter makes excuses. Its damn near a necessity to maintain their self belief. Tbh in their mind it may not seem like an excuse at all.
Yep well said man
It was my understanding that AJ denied having a panic attack and I don't recall Joshua blaming the ref or crowd. If there is footage or an article to show otherwise then I would love to see it.
I'm a bit busy at work today...but check out that video I posted for reference to the ref comment...he said that when he spit out his gum shield it was his expectation and understanding that it is the ref's job to put it back in his mouth, not call off the fight.
And I pointed out in an earlier comment about the crowd comment...mentioned the time in the video.
6:45 in the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fzLUc5ZvmEc&feature=emb_logo
This is why critical thinking is important. It’s like putting someone a mass murderer and someone guilty of tax evasion in the same cell and saying “oh well they’re both criminals”
If you can’t see the difference between what aj said and wilder blaming the suit (bear in mind he admitted to training with 45lb weights) then all I can really call you is a biased wilder fan
I'm not even a Wilder fan dude...I just like to call out biases I see on this site.
I agree that for my taste, AJ's excuses and the manner in which he made his excuses are a bit more palatable...but they in truth both made similar excuses.
AJ is more of a gentleman though imho and I prefer his style outside of the ring more than Wilder.
I'm pretty sure I saw AJ and co. blame a panic attack/Hearn for forcing him to fight...and AJ specifically blamed the ref and a fight in the crowd
It was my understanding that AJ denied having a panic attack and I don't recall Joshua blaming the ref or crowd. If there is footage or an article to show otherwise then I would love to see it.
Yep yep. Every fighter makes excuses. Its damn near a necessity to maintain their self belief. Tbh in their mind it may not seem like an excuse at all.
Come on man you’re being ridiculous now. If you’re going to use quotation marks quote exactly what he said because that wernt it.
And yes the second fight he wasn’t looking past him and he used a strategy best suited to getting the W. That doesn’t mean he can’t knock him out just that he didn’t. We went with the easiest way to win the fight and I’m not mad at him for that after what happened.
Before this weekend would you have told me fury could stop wilder? Just because aj didn’t knock him out the first time or second time it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the tools to just that he went with a different strategy.
Lol. Ok man. You got it.
Idk that sounds like a lot of excuses here to me man...I would also add that if it were as simple as him dancing around for 12 rounds, why didn't he do that?
That's obviously an excuse right there...because if it was that easy, he would have done it...otherwise he is just a complete idiot and I don't think that is the case.
This is why critical thinking is important. It’s like putting someone a mass murderer and someone guilty of tax evasion in the same cell and saying “oh well they’re both criminals”
If you can’t see the difference between what aj said and wilder blaming the suit (bear in mind he admitted to training with 45lb weights) then all I can really call you is a biased wilder fan
Why the different strategy ?
He did say he was going to destroy him and knock him out
And please don’t compare Fury’s fight to AJ’s fight , night and fughin day
Fury did exactly what he said he was going to do
AJ didn’t
That’s a different argument completely. I’m not here to hug nuts no one is even comparing aj and fury’s fight what are you even trying to argue here? I’m talking about Wilder making excuses and you’re talking about aj not knocking out Ruiz? Let’s just stick to one debate at a time
But if you want to argue I don’t remember hearing talk of knocking out and destroying. I remember him saying he’s added new people to his camp and wants to do things differently which is what he did in the fight.
wtf are you on.
First off - Joshua didn’t say anything about his loss / reasons he felt he didn’t perform until way after the fight. Infact directly after the fight he outright refused when asked in the interview “no, tonight is about this man” - pointing to Ruiz.
His an interview many weeks after he refused a number of conspiracies and explained where he felt he could do better. Was any an excuse, not really - just things that he felt he could do better. His “medical” issue others have spoken about he still to date hasn’t released so we don’t know anything about it
Lol please re read my post. I’m not getting at Joshua at all it’s sarcasm
Come on man you’re being ridiculous now. If you’re going to use quotation marks quote exactly what he said because that wernt it.
And yes the second fight he wasn’t looking past him and he used a strategy best suited to getting the W. That doesn’t mean he can’t knock him out just that he didn’t. We went with the easiest way to win the fight and I’m not mad at him for that after what happened.
Before this weekend would you have told me fury could stop wilder? Just because aj didn’t knock him out the first time or second time it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the tools to just that he went with a different strategy.
Why the different strategy ?
He did say he was going to destroy him and knock him out
And please don’t compare Fury’s fight to AJ’s fight , night and fughin day
Fury did exactly what he said he was going to do
AJ didn’t
Youre contradicting yourself. Wilder admitted that it was his fault for wearing the uniform that tired out his legs. He STRAIGHT UP said he ****ed up. So by your very logic it is no longer an excuse. He owned it. Smh
For the record I still believe wilder is making an excuse. But you don't because of your "owning it theory"
It’s an excuse when you brag about working out with a 45lb body suit every day.
" I wouldn't have lost if I wasn't looking past him"
How is this NOT an excuse?
And its not like he used the same game plan to beat him in the second fight. So it wasnt "he was looking past him"
It was he didn't have to tools to beat Ruiz heads up he needed a DIFFERENT strategy
Come on man you’re being ridiculous now. If you’re going to use quotation marks quote exactly what he said because that wernt it.
And yes the second fight he wasn’t looking past him and he used a strategy best suited to getting the W. That doesn’t mean he can’t knock him out just that he didn’t. We went with the easiest way to win the fight and I’m not mad at him for that after what happened.
Before this weekend would you have told me fury could stop wilder? Just because aj didn’t knock him out the first time or second time it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the tools to just that he went with a different strategy.
Every fighter who’s ever lost says “No Excuses” then proceeds to make excuses.🤣
Wilder and AJ were no different. I don’t hold it against them.
Agreed...it's just human nature...and I especially don't mind fighters making excuses, as opposed to other athletes...they make their money by getting people interested in seeing them fight, and a lot of that is related to stuff other than their ability...sometimes saying crazy sh.it is good for your marketability.
if we look at your history of posting and shilling for wilder and the LDBC, the only thing accurate about your post is your MO. when you are called out, accuse the poster of lying without being specific, call people names, and try to avoid the central point of discussion.
by the way, i never actually called you stupid. but i still stand by this. your arguments in this thread are rubbish, they are hypocritical, and its a rabbit hole.
you already agreed that wilder's excuses are quite embarrassing and ridiculous. just leave it at that.
I just RECENTLY found out what the LDBC is. And i think they are a bunch of idiots. so I know you have never heard me defend them. If You say you have, its a lie.
I have always said that wilder is the kimbo slice of boxing" out right terrible, if you say that I have said anything other than that, it's a lie.
I have never claimed a faction or nation in boxing, not top rank, nor pbc, nor matchroom. I support them all.
I have picked on the AJ fans that have ATTACKED ME for my opinion of AJ, which my opinion is, hes decent. You have NEVER seen me call him a him. Only that he isn't anything special. TO ME.
But now that I see he is ranked 4th all time in England, i see why you guys are so emotionally attached to him. Hes like a legend to you guys, and I since apologized.
Again you have me mixed up with someone else, totally misread something, or you're out right lying.
I stray away from the name calling. Pull one post where I INSTIGATED the name calling? JUST ONE!
You won't be able to.I I go into every conversation showing the up most respect. But some people dont like to be treated with respect.
So this is either a big misunderstanding or youre just creating lies. Simple as that
A few guys like to put words in my mouth and lie about me, but when i ask them to provide posts I written as proof they never do. Provide proof of ANY of your claims.
A lot of lies in this post. But that's what your type does. I made a thread after AJ lost saying it happens in boxing and he'll get back up. But you guys pick and choose and pull things out of context. And the insult people because YOU don't understand. That makes you the STUPID one.
I can't argue with STUPID. ESPECIALLY stupid liars with little to no reading comprehension skills. So have a good day
if we look at your history of posting and shilling for wilder and the LDBC, the only thing accurate about your post is your MO. when you are called out, accuse the poster of lying without being specific, call people names, and try to avoid the central point of discussion.
by the way, i never actually called you stupid. but i still stand by this. your arguments in this thread are rubbish, they are hypocritical, and its a rabbit hole.
you already agreed that wilder's excuses are quite embarrassing and ridiculous. just leave it at that.
The problem with comparing Wilder's loss to AJ's loss is are you seriously trying to tell us that Andy Ruiz Jr. is on the same level as Tyson Fury?
TBH, I don't see anyone in the Heavyweight division that could've beat Tyson Fury last Saturday.
where did i say you were attacking AJ?
your argument is a rabbit hole because you basically want to make people get in the weeds and chase down AJs comments about the fight which you purposely parsed out of context, when the video you posted is about AJ giving a proper minute by minute breakdown of what happened.
its hypocritical because you are one of the people on this forum who would attack anyone for trying to talk about wilders weaknesses or gaffes. you and others spent half of 2019 dissing AJ for being an exposed fighter who was all marketing. and now that wilder is being ridiculed, you wanna associate him with AJ.
its complete rubbish because you want to drag AJ's post-loss actions down into the dump of embarrassment where wilder has placed himself and his fans in order to make yourself feel better.
look. great fighters sometimes lose. generational fighters lose sometimes. the reason why wilder's is worse than others is because of his lack of class, the trash he spoke about others in the sport, and his post fight shenanigans. he's the worst heavyweight belt champion maybe ever, and him and his team are an embarrassment to the sport of boxing.
A lot of lies in this post. But that's what your type does. I made a thread after AJ lost saying it happens in boxing and he'll get back up. But you guys pick and choose and pull things out of context. And the insult people because YOU don't understand. That makes you the STUPID one.
I can't argue with STUPID. ESPECIALLY stupid liars with little to no reading comprehension skills. So have a good day