Joe calzaghe 46-0 vs Sven Ottke 34-0 who is best at their level?

Robin Reid & Bernard Hopkins came closest to beating Joe Calzaghe 'I always thought Hopkins came in too heavy against Calzaghe'.

Come on man, i know you don't like him come on i know we both like joe but that doesnt mean you should ignore the confessed words he spoke from his own mouth about needing to lowblow hopkins after hopkins knocked him down. Lets keep it real. Joe is obv a very good fighter.

see if that is cringey as you want to see it, then calzaghe needing to lowblow hopkins to survive what you think is a flash, is doubly cringey. You cant accept one fact and not the other when they are both of the same premise. getting koed in 1 or 2 rounds is way worse an outcome than being outgassed in round 11 when you are 43. Come on man, i know you don't like him, but don't pretend even you think he was in any trouble in round one. He wasn't wobbled at all. But for a fact, when hoping took the break later on to get hes breath back, it's clear, on video for all to see, nothing hit him low at all, nothing. Pathetic poor acting, from someone who's done it before and did it since.

3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in the division being fought in is a poor career. It just is. Better than Ottke’s clearly, without those very few wins though it’s not. He had alot of pull outs, but inkie say Saunders, he got around to the top men. He had a few unbeaten challengers, like Veit, Mitchell, Sheika. I don't think there was anyone he glaringly ducked.

He wasn't hurt after that knockdown, even Bhop knew that. Bhop lying on the floor pretending to be hit low is one of the most cringy moments I recent boxing history. Not as bad as he's faking with Dawson though. And Allen. And he's glass head in Jones two. Has anyone tried to get guys disqualified as much as Bhop has? see if that is cringey as you want to see it, then calzaghe needing to lowblow hopkins to survive what you think is a flash, is doubly cringey. You cant accept one fact and not the other when they are both of the same premise. getting koed in 1 or 2 rounds is way worse an outcome than being outgassed in round 11 when you are 43.

- -Yo, Dumfighter, need to watch the fight. Joe never hurt in that flash KD early in the fight. The lowblow was a legal beltline slap that melted Popkins into his bawling baby form he used to quit fights he was being humiliated in. tis a great shame for your post that calzaghe said he had to lowblow hopkins after getting knocked down. take care

Calzaghes wasn't poor career. I mean, it's a shame Jones and Bhop came so late, but you can say that's about lots of fighters at the time. Bhops middleweight rein included alot of Welters, light middles, never wades and two losses to Taylor. Still would t compare him to Otttke. The thing is Sven never tried to challenge himself, there was never any talks about getting big fights. It's the German way, now the British way for guys like Saunders and Eubank. Make plenty of low level defences and pay your mortgage. Calzaghe and Hatton did it but they both wanted to test themselves against the best and did it. They travelled also. I can't see the similarities with guys like Ottke and Maske, even Abraham entered a proper tourney. I think that makes your career alot more impressive. But that's just my opinion. 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 in the division being fought in is a poor career. It just is. Better than Ottke’s clearly, without those very few wins though it’s not.

There is only one SMW in history that I would have been certain of beating Joe, and that is RJJ. He was a genuinely great fighter. He wasn't the equal of Floyd, but who is? Comparing Joe to Ottke is either stupidity or trolling.

you cant just get away with saying i didnt summary list them when i clearly did on page one, bit of a shameful attempt mate. comeback when you feel more honest. it is good that you expanded on my list though, thats what threads are for. The most shameful thing I saw is someone trying to compare a guy who fought the best rivals he's division had to offer at the time, and travelled, and beat undefeated challengers, with a guy like Sven, who followed the Saunders model of lots of soft defences to make money, never aspiring to test himself at a higher level. I mean, theres just no comparison, and personal dislike shouldnt lead you to downgrade a fighter that much. I don't like quite a few fighters personally, but i dont play the "trash a career in retrospect" game. It's easy to do. List me any fighter and I can pretty much undo all their accomplishments.Sven may have had more similarity to a guy like Eubank, who made alot of home defences, got a few gifts, fought hes domestic rivals, but had no interest in Toney Jones ect. But even Eubank tested himself more imo. And was a damn sight better to watch

joes lowblowing Hopkins to stop himself getting KOed in seconds after getting floored is better than Ottke too. - -Yo, Dumfighter, need to watch the fight. Joe never hurt in that flash KD early in the fight. The lowblow was a legal beltline slap that melted Popkins into his bawling baby form he used to quit fights he was being humiliated in. That's the way he left the sport, bawling like the sissy baby he was in his showcase retirement fight. What grade U still bawling in? Do U run to U mama or daddy crying?

joes lowblowing Hopkins to stop himself getting KOed in seconds after getting floored is better than Ottke too. He wasn't hurt after that knockdown, even Bhop knew that. Bhop lying on the floor pretending to be hit low is one of the most cringy moments I recent boxing history. Not as bad as he's faking with Dawson though. And Allen. And he's glass head in Jones two. Has anyone tried to get guys disqualified as much as Bhop has?

Well once again I have already clearly stated that Cazlaghe’s career is better than Ottke’s due to Kessler, Hopkins and Lacy you don’t need to convince me that Calzaghe is better and had a better career than Ottke I have said it numerous times. But their careers are comparable. Both had 21 title defenses, barely any of which were in the Top 5. That’s just a fact Glen Johnson isn’t a great win for Ottke. It’s still better than most of Calzaghe’s wins at 168 though. Which just speaks volumes to how poor both their careers were really. Calzaghes wasn't poor career. I mean, it's a shame Jones and Bhop came so late, but you can say that's about lots of fighters at the time. Bhops middleweight rein included alot of Welters, light middles, never wades and two losses to Taylor. Still would t compare him to Otttke. The thing is Sven never tried to challenge himself, there was never any talks about getting big fights. It's the German way, now the British way for guys like Saunders and Eubank. Make plenty of low level defences and pay your mortgage. Calzaghe and Hatton did it but they both wanted to test themselves against the best and did it. They travelled also. I can't see the similarities with guys like Ottke and Maske, even Abraham entered a proper tourney. I think that makes your career alot more impressive. But that's just my opinion.

No, you started the convo based on Floyd and Joe, you cant just get away with saying i didnt summary list them when i clearly did on page one, bit of a shameful attempt mate. comeback when you feel more honest. it is good that you expanded on my list though, thats what threads are for.

. Eubank had certainly achieved more than Johnson at the time. He was never beaten by the calibre fighters Johnson lost to, never stopped, fought capably at cruiserweight against a decent powerful champion. Nah, i put him ahead of Johnson. Lacy may never have done anything again, but he was the man at the time. Seen as a big star, a favourite against Calzaghe. The beating Lacy got would've altered quite a few fighters. Alot of fighters look worse in retrospect. Kessler obviously a good fighter. So was Bhop at the time Joe beat him btw. Pavlic and Pascal proved that Underrated win, Joe wasn't young either by then. An Bhop was having to fake low blows late on just to get hes breath back to stay in there. Better than anything Ottke done. joes lowblowing Hopkins to stop himself getting KOed in seconds after getting floored is better than Ottke too.

Calzaghe gets my vote as he was an incredible blend of speedster slickster and durable brawler.

. Eubank had certainly achieved more than Johnson at the time. He was never beaten by the calibre fighters Johnson lost to, never stopped, fought capably at cruiserweight against a decent powerful champion. Nah, i put him ahead of Johnson. Lacy may never have done anything again, but he was the man at the time. Seen as a big star, a favourite against Calzaghe. The beating Lacy got would've altered quite a few fighters. Alot of fighters look worse in retrospect. Kessler obviously a good fighter. So was Bhop at the time Joe beat him btw. Pavlic and Pascal proved that Underrated win, Joe wasn't young either by then. An Bhop was having to fake low blows late on just to get hes breath back to stay in there. Better than anything Ottke done. Well once again I have already clearly stated that Cazlaghe’s career is better than Ottke’s due to Kessler, Hopkins and Lacy you don’t need to convince me that Calzaghe is better and had a better career than Ottke I have said it numerous times. But their careers are comparable. Both had 21 title defenses, barely any of which were in the Top 5. That’s just a fact Glen Johnson isn’t a great win for Ottke. It’s still better than most of Calzaghe’s wins at 168 though. Which just speaks volumes to how poor both their careers were really.

Probably better than Eubank. Lacy’s garbage but he had hype so can’t say that. Kessler of course not. But still, the fact it’s better than most his wins speaks volumes really.. Eubank had certainly achieved more than Johnson at the time. He was never beaten by the calibre fighters Johnson lost to, never stopped, fought capably at cruiserweight against a decent powerful champion. Nah, i put him ahead of Johnson. Lacy may never have done anything again, but he was the man at the time. Seen as a big star, a favourite against Calzaghe. The beating Lacy got would've altered quite a few fighters. Alot of fighters look worse in retrospect. Kessler obviously a good fighter. So was Bhop at the time Joe beat him btw. Pavlic and Pascal proved that Underrated win, Joe wasn't young either by then. An Bhop was having to fake low blows late on just to get hes breath back to stay in there. Better than anything Ottke done.

I just spat my rarebit out.

I don't know if I'd rate Ottkes win over Johnson too highly, at that stage Glenn had lots of losses. I remember him fighting Toks Owoh being the underdog. He'd became a real journeyman at one point. Better than Kessler, Lacy, Eubank wins? Not for me. Probably better than Eubank. Lacy’s garbage but he had hype so can’t say that. Kessler of course not. But still, the fact it’s better than most his wins speaks volumes really.

Ottke’s terrible I’m well aware :lol1: I don’t think Ottke won that many robberies myself to be honest, a lot of close fights. Obviously Reid was a robbery. But I thought Reid beat Calzaghe (not a robbery) A lot of those wins were either way fights IMO. I can’t think of any one that was a robbery. Maybe Brewer? Going off memory here. Either way they both beat a long list of poor opponents that’s just how it is. Ottke beat Johnson too (green) and that’s better than most of Calzaghe’s wins at 168 tbh. I don't know if I'd rate Ottkes win over Johnson too highly, at that stage Glenn had lots of losses. I remember him fighting Toks Owoh being the underdog. He'd became a real journeyman at one point. Better than Kessler, Lacy, Eubank wins? Not for me.