You're making it seem like they chose Cotto because he beat Shane when in reality they Chose Cotto because he had been ruined by Margarito (which Roach even admitted).
Exactly.
Freddie Roach's reply on camera when asked about not fighting Shane:
"We can make twice as much money fighting Cotto. He's (Shane) better than Oscar. We're not looking to go up and fight for his title."
Great article, Horus.
I think prospective boxers should educate themselves about the business side of boxing so that they understand how to manage and promote their own careers once they become established. Though, it's hard to go it alone at first without the experience, the right connections, and contacts.
There are a lot of unanswered questions Margo must put to rest in this fight.
Many of those who don't care about watching this fight, will likely watch it to confirm that Margo has no chance at winning and doesn't deserve to be fighting.
If Margo kicks Manny's butt, a lot of people will be wrong about him.
Or not.
MB,
Do you happen to understand that godawful Klingon-sounding shit? Not even the Spanish influence could rescue that language.
Lol! I don't. That's why I'd want to actually see him saying it on film with an interpreter. That could've been written by Buboy for all we know
I'm still not convinced until I see Manny on a video saying it. Even if he has to say it in his native language with an interpreter.
That's quite unusual of him to "call out" anyone unless he has his promoter's approval. Unless, he's only allowed to call someone out in print.
No mention of random testing?
Besides, wouldn't Ronnie be all over this and posting it as a feature article?
No shit..
Boxing can be won in different ways. You don't have to have Tyson-like power to win fights. What's your point?
Just like basketball.. some love offense, others like defense. Fans either way.
And Floyd coulda woulda shoulda TKOd Shane.. but didn't.
Shane was already TKO'd in his own mind. Floyd just let him ride out the last few rounds out of compassion.
How can Floyd #2 P4P can dominate the #1 P4P, explain with boxing knowledge, not with insults...
If Manny comes in aggressive, he'll be missing a lot of shots.
If he decides to go the counter-defensive route, Floyd will be the aggressor.
And something tells me the thread stater might be a shill for Team Pacquiao, if not Freddie himself.
Not saying you dont have a valid point, but the majority of the things Floyd says he says without thinking. Floyd is not the type of guy to create quick and reasonable rebuttals. Thats why he is always saying things as "like I said before". The stuttering doesn't help.
His fists don't stutter. Winning in the ring is what counts.
yeh he's pissed but the more pissed off pacquiao gets with the PEDS allegations and ducking him the more n more he's gaining the edge.
I think that pic in your sig file is hypnotizingly distracting.
How can Floyd #2 P4P can dominate the #1 P4P, explain with boxing knowledge, not with insults...
Manny has not faced a fighter of Floyd's caliber. One who is undefeated.
Honestly, the worst thing to happen to Floyd was the gift decision he got over Castillo in their first bout. Had he lost he wouldn't have his undefeated status to keep his value up. Instead, he'd have to fight like everybody else. And with his talent and skills, I think he would have done extremely well.
You forgot about the immediate re-match and subsequent majority decision to prove who really was the best in that division. Not even Castillo himself could deny it. Neither did he dispute it nor could he.
he tried that, and no one wanted to fight him(he was calling everyone out) why do you think he keep moving up in weight, chasing other fighters? when did yall start watching boxing?
Exactly. While Bob was building up Oscar's career, Floyd was left to stand in the shadows awaiting his turn to be in the spotlight.
He must've done something right to bust loose from Arum's grip because he's the top draw now and Arum realizes Floyd is a major threat to his fighters.
The reason i would call it intersting is that Floyd is unlike the guys that beat up Cotto, if Cotto is going to get a big fight I would like to see him fight a guy like Floyd.
I think Floyd beats him up also but there are cases to be made for Cotto, I really can't make a case for him against Manny other than Steward and taht is pretty weak.
Plus I like watching what Floyd does in the ring and it would be interesting to see how he does things with Cotto.
I respect your point of view, but everybody knows Cotto is past it. I'd agree with you if they fought before he faced Margarito. i don't doubt people are still holding out in hopes Cotto can come back strong, but the likelihood of that happening looks slim at best. Manny showed him mercy in their fight which should have ended in about round six.
Sparked him? no man, he didnt spark him. Margarito took alot damn good shots. Credit to margo for staying up. cards were tied going into the eleventh, shit just caught up. Pacquiao is pacquiao, may doesnt have pacs offense. but after watching mosley stun may a couple times, i kinda question his chin. also, cotto focusing on the body is a recipe for success.
1. May aint knocking cotto out
2. Cotto will put alot of good shots on may
3. Cotto's boxing ability is underrated.
4. i could keep listing about underappreciaed speed, great timing, great jab, better footwork, etc, but yeah, cotto can hang with mayweather. In terms of mayweather, cotto is alot bigger of a check than he has been getting recently.
You're forgetting about Floyd's defense which is superior to any fighter Cotto has ever faced. Yeah Floyd may not knock Cotto out, but he's just as fast or faster than Manny. Would you rather see him get humiliated like he did against Manny on account he won't be able to figure how to hit Floyd solidly? Yes, he'll hit Floyd a few times but what good will that do if he's past it and won't win convincingly?
c'mon man. we all know the PED slander was an excuse for floyd to duck the fight.
Only cowards demand extra testing sh1t. Real men just fight.
How do explain he was willing to take the same exact random testing as Pacquiao? You guys would make more sense if Floyd asked for only Manny to take the test, but you know very well that's not been the case.
Both of them would have to pee and give blood. Not just one.
Floyd has 40 fights where he never asked anyone to do anything.
so, you're gonna have to try again.
That's because he didn't, nor did anyone else, feel the need to request any testing back then.
Arum and Pacquiao could have brought up that same reason BEFORE negotiations started back in '09, but they chose to go along with the request as long as there was a cut-off date.
So, you're gonna have to try again.
What makes people think May-Cotto will be a competitive fight? Margarito sparked him and Pacquiao lit him up. Then all people would say is "It was boring".
Hate to say it, but Cotto may have to come in at 154 now against anybody for the fight to possibly be competitive. That's IF he can show he can still hang in there without getting humiliated.
Who has cotto not been able to hit, not been able to time? Yeah, floyd is one of the fastest, but cotto is a great timer, and has a great jab. floyd would get caught with punches, and im not sure he can last. floyd will catch cotto too, but he doesnt have enough power, or the style of fighting like pac to bust him up. pac was constantly throwing shots, but floyd isnt like that. he's a points fighter. cotto's boxing ability is very underrated, when he is smart and uses his jab, he is one of the best. under steward, he will only improve.
Cotto's style may be tweaked by Stewart a bit, but I just don't see it being enough to even stop Floyd let alone knock him out. He might be able to stun him as did Shane, and that's if Floyd decides to stand toe to toe and trade.
You also have to understand Floyd is not a volume puncher. He's economical and precise with his shots. He doesn't waste punches.
I just don't see how a fight, which the majority knows will be non-competitive, should be put together.
In fact, someone should ask Stewart himself what he thinks of the prospects of a Cotto win would be should he and Floyd scrap.
I'm almost certain his response will sound hopeful, but won't be as reassuring.
He'll lose out if Manny loses in spectacular fashion. If Manny eeks out a decision win, it may not be so bad. If he loses by decision, the match-up will certainly lose its luster.
Oh man!
:lol1:
Yeah, "He may have told a few here and there." but it doesn't count now because we're talking about Floyd.
And when has Cotto called anybody out? He uses the same line Pacquiao does when asked about their next opponents: "You have to speak to my promoter." That's not calling anybody out.There are many contradictions from the Pac Camp since the start of negotiations in '09 that aren't even hilarious anymore.
A source within the commission who did not wish to be quoted told me recently: “It's not about liking or disliking Tygart. The push for random blood testing is like a tidal wave and it has moral force. T's coming, we know it and the message and the movement is more powerful than Tygart's preachy pontificating. I'd say it's a budgeting issue as with everything in government now but we could have it in the next year or so.”
If this is the case, then you know Team Mayweather is just waiting on Pacquiao to be forced to do full random blood testing.
That's a very likely possibility. That is unless Manny decides to call it quits before any of that takes place.
When Mosley and Mayweather fought, the AGREEMENT was that it was going to be FULL TESTING UP UNTIL THE NIGHT OF THE FIGHT however, the COMISSION ONLY TESTED TO 14 DAYS OUT. This is a known fact and it is also a nown fact that MAYWEATHER HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT. But now, testing must be carried out even farther for Pacquiao when it was supposed to be the same for Mosley and 14 days was sufficient. This sets the precedent for Pac to request a 14 day cutoff. Why do people want to act like both Mayweather and Mosley were tested up until the night of the fight when they weren't?
May Sr should be careful what he says about anyone even taking supplements should be banned from boxing as I'm sure Xylocane is considered to be more than a supplement and I'm sure his son takes protein shakes (supplements) and some type of creatine mix during training (more supplements).
It is a big shame, believe what you want...negotiations, no negotiations, testing agreements or none at all, money agreements or none at all.....some one just does not want to fight.
It's the USADA which determines when and when not to test the fighters.
All the fighters can do is undergo the testing even if they agree or don't agree with it.
The USADA can stop or start whenever they want with no warning.
THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT ON TERMS. Even Arum isn't saying definitively that there was. Why are YOU saying it?
Arum said that Greenburg told him they were getting close, etc... Go read the transcript.
Stop making shit up. We don't need that.
That's been the problem here. People twisting the facts.