I think Floyd is more scared of losing by points than KO

I'm talking about you and how you analyze and interpret it the statement from roach. If you HONESTLY believe roach wasn't speaking for manny then IMO you are either When roach gave this interview he was speaking for Manny. Of course there are times when he is not. Of course he can give interviews. There is no theory I am touting. What I am saying is simple, Manny refused to fight Shane. Your counter to that is Manny didn't refuse, Roach and Bob did. My counter to that is if you think roach wasn't speaking for manny DURING THIS INTERVIEW, then IMO you are either playing games or are fvcking stupid because Roach knew he was on the record being videotaped. Your last response contains theoretical truths but does not address THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION. Give it up dude. Your boy refused to fight Shane. Roach, Bob, Jinkee, Pistol Whip, Cungle, and Manny himself all admit this. Why can't you. how dumb can you be, really. no one's denying roach's interview not wanting the mosley fight. and obviously manny would have to give up one, in order to accept another, that's just how it is simple as that, so what's the big deal? my first post in this thread was simple, to lay out the time line for the other poster. but you have to butt in and insinuate manny somehow ducked mosley or something. if he chose mosley, you would be here insinuating he ducked cotto. w/ the retarded reasoning you're using, i'm pretty sure you think also manny's reason in refusing to fight mosley were the same as roach's :lol1:

so when floydsr said he doesnt like southpaws, was he speaking ALSO for jr? do you think floydjr would even say that? when Sr first accused manny or peds, Jr was nowhere yet on the roid accusation scene. he was speaking for himself at that time. you think ppl now cant grant interviews and speak for themselves? :lol1: see where that leaves you? you want to come up w/ your theories and try generalize or make some stupid pattern to them yet you end up making a fool of yourself. LOL. I'm talking about you and how you analyze and interpret it the statement from roach. If you HONESTLY believe roach wasn't speaking for manny then IMO you are either When roach gave this interview he was speaking for Manny. Of course there are times when he is not. Of course he can give interviews. There is no theory I am touting. What I am saying is simple, Manny refused to fight Shane. Your counter to that is Manny didn't refuse, Roach and Bob did. My counter to that is if you think roach wasn't speaking for manny DURING THIS INTERVIEW, then IMO you are either playing games or are fvcking stupid because Roach knew he was on the record being videotaped. Your last response contains theoretical truths but does not address THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION. Give it up dude. Your boy refused to fight Shane. Roach, Bob, Jinkee, Pistol Whip, Cungle, and Manny himself all admit this. Why can't you.

I'm not one of those people. Like I said there is no video I know of where manny refuses the fight. If you HONESTLY believe roach wasn't speaking for manny then IMO you are either: a. playing games b. a fvcking idiot cocksvcker who actually thinks roach, who works for manny, was somehow off record and not talking for manny when being videotaped ABOUT manny's next fight during training camp. c. someone who ALSO believes floyd sr. WASN'T speaking for floyd when he accussed manny of PED use (which clearly isn't true based on other posts) I hope its a. so when floydsr said he doesnt like southpaws, was he speaking ALSO for jr? do you think floydjr would even say that? when Sr first accused manny or peds, Jr was nowhere yet on the roid accusation scene. he was speaking for himself at that time. you think ppl now cant grant interviews and speak for themselves? :lol1: see where that leaves you? you want to come up w/ your theories and try generalize or make some stupid pattern to them yet you end up making a fool of yourself. LOL.

there you go again w/ 'manny, through his camp' sh1t. pls provide a link that manny himself refused shane. roach can go on and on w/ his interviews but is he speaking for manny always? you flomos always bash his interviews but when something is useful to bash pac, you take it as gospel and even go as far to say that he's speaking for manny. cherrypicking really is a trait for floyd and his cults :lol1: I'm not one of those people. Like I said there is no video I know of where manny refuses the fight. If you HONESTLY believe roach wasn't speaking for manny then IMO you are either: a. playing games b. a fvcking idiot cocksvcker who actually thinks roach, who works for manny, was somehow off record and not talking for manny when being videotaped ABOUT manny's next fight during training camp. c. someone who ALSO believes floyd sr. WASN'T speaking for floyd when he accussed manny of PED use (which clearly isn't true based on other posts) I hope its a.

Your 1st response to me and the subsequent posts to me you got mad because you assumed I was dissing manny for fighting cotto instead of shane when I clearly wasn't. Fact remains Manny through his camp refused to fight Shane at 147, 143, and 140. Nothing you post will EVER change that truth. there you go again w/ 'manny, through his camp' sh1t. pls provide a link that manny himself refused shane. roach can go on and on w/ his interviews but is he speaking for manny always? you flomos always bash his interviews but when something is useful to bash pac, you take it as gospel and even go as far to say that he's speaking for manny. cherrypicking really is a trait for floyd and his cults :lol1:

i think all the trash talking and arrogance has left him cornered where he has to win in every fight. I think this is the reason he is not willing to fight pac because the mosley fight showed him that he is not impregnable and he can get knocked out. I think he realises pac has a shot and he doesn't want to take the risk. What other reason is there apart from his father making him shook.

You're making it seem like they chose Cotto because he beat Shane when in reality they Chose Cotto because he had been ruined by Margarito (which Roach even admitted). Exactly. Freddie Roach's reply on camera when asked about not fighting Shane: "We can make twice as much money fighting Cotto. He's (Shane) better than Oscar. We're not looking to go up and fight for his title."

I don't think Floyd is scared, he has fought bigger guys than Pac.

i was on this 'place' since my first post on this thread! Your 1st response to me and the subsequent posts to me you got mad because you assumed I was dissing manny for fighting cotto instead of shane when I clearly wasn't. Fact remains Manny through his camp refused to fight Shane at 147, 143, and 140. Nothing you post will EVER change that truth.

Ok now we are in the same place. I notice Manny always has roach and Arum turn down fights. I think this is smart on Top Rank's part given Manny's language barrier. Top Rank works for Manny, not the other way around. If Manny tells Bob, "get me this fight or I will not fight until out contract is up" Bob will get him the fight. i was on this 'place' since my first post on this thread!

I heard floyd has a phobia of butterflies typical pactard. when you dont know **** all you can do is make something up.

again for the umpteenth time, who's denying roach or bob refused shane? is this the truth you're talkin about? lol what is there to deny? now you're insinuating that thru roach and arum, it was manny who refused the fight? :lol1: go watch the interview again and see if you think roach was speaking for manny or for himself only. Ok now we are in the same place. I notice Manny always has roach and Arum turn down fights. I think this is smart on Top Rank's part given Manny's language barrier. Top Rank works for Manny, not the other way around. If Manny tells Bob, "get me this fight or I will not fight until out contract is up" Bob will get him the fight.

What about BOB's quotes about not fighting Shane? I am not in any way bashing the pac cotto fight. All I posted was manny refused to fight shane. I didn't act like cotto was a patsy. If you reached that conclusion from reading my post then you really need some help. There is no manny vid, only Roach vid and Bob quotes. If he chose to fight Shane, I wouldn't be able to say he refused to. I can't speak for what other fans would post. And, I NEVER said manny ducked Shane did I? Manny, through roach and Bob, refused to fight Shane. Why does the truth bother you so much? again for the umpteenth time, who's denying roach or bob refused shane? is this the truth you're talkin about? lol what is there to deny? now you're insinuating that thru roach and arum, it was manny who refused the fight? :lol1: go watch the interview again and see if you think roach was speaking for manny or for himself only.

again dumbass who's making **** up? who's denying roach turned down mosley? you're clinging to roach's interview just to bash the pac-cotto fight. and do you have a link that manny himself refused shane? answer me this, if he chose mosley and never fought cotto, what would your stance be? i bet we wont hear the last of you and the hundreds of PR's and cotto fans here talking sh1t about how pac ducked cotto, would we? you talk as if team pac chose a patsy in cotto. laughable :lol1: What about BOB's quotes about not fighting Shane? I am not in any way bashing the pac cotto fight. All I posted was manny refused to fight shane. I didn't act like cotto was a patsy. If you reached that conclusion from reading my post then you really need some help. There is no manny vid, only Roach vid and Bob quotes. If he chose to fight Shane, I wouldn't be able to say he refused to. I can't speak for what other fans would post. And, I NEVER said manny ducked Shane did I? Manny, through roach and Bob, refused to fight Shane. Why does the truth bother you so much?

Posibly, but I think hes worried about getting stopped. His chin isnt too great which is a big part of why hes so cautious, and against Pacquiao that can spell trouble.

So your statement was wrong and instead of just acknowledging it you now speculate as to what I would say if pac didn't fight cotto rather then own up to your BS post. Then you lump me in with other floyd fans and make it about us rather than again just being a adult an saying you were wrong. Notice I never used the word "duck" and I also pointed out that ARum said the same thing in the press. Face it dude. You can lie to some people on this board but I am not one of them. STop making sh!T up. Even the biggest floyd haters acknowledge manny refused to fight shane. again dumbass who's making **** up? who's denying roach turned down mosley? you're clinging to roach's interview just to bash the pac-cotto fight. and do you have a link that manny himself refused shane? answer me this, if he chose mosley and never fought cotto, what would your stance be? i bet we wont hear the last of you and the hundreds of PR's and cotto fans here talking sh1t about how pac ducked cotto, would we? you talk as if team pac chose a patsy in cotto. laughable :lol1:

What if you have the same judges Alexander had the other night? Yup, exactly my point. Plus Pac's advantage over Alexander is that when he box combinations, he actually uses angles, so Pac has a better chance of connecting those unlike Alexander.

..and you would be on pac non-stop if he had picked mosley over cotto right? like why would he pick mosley when cotto who beat him wanted the fight too? and who cares what roach said? you flomos talk **** about roach day in/out but cherry picks some of his interviews as gospel and truth when it favors floyd or could use it against pac. :lol1: So your statement was wrong and instead of just acknowledging it you now speculate as to what I would say if pac didn't fight cotto rather then own up to your BS post. Then you lump me in with other floyd fans and make it about us rather than again just being a adult an saying you were wrong. Notice I never used the word "duck" and I also pointed out that ARum said the same thing in the press. Face it dude. You can lie to some people on this board but I am not one of them. STop making sh!T up. Even the biggest floyd haters acknowledge manny refused to fight shane.

thanks for the link, never saw that mtv of pac before LOL. i bet you've watched more pac vids than most pactards here. you speak tagalog now?:lol1: i only watched this and the rap one :DD i dont quite get the lyrics but its smth bout tits,right ? :DD

Your opinion would be more valid if Roach isn't on video turning down Shane (I know you've seen it because you posted about the "Pac exposed" video) and Bob was quoted in the press. Stop making it seem manny took the harder fight. He didn't. He refused to fight Shane before the Cotto fight and after the Cotto fight. ..and you would be on pac non-stop if he had picked mosley over cotto right? like why would he pick mosley when cotto who beat him wanted the fight too? and who cares what roach said? you flomos talk **** about roach day in/out but cherry picks some of his interviews as gospel and truth when it favors floyd or could use it against pac. :lol1: