How can Floyd #2 P4P can dominate the #1 P4P or how can one of the two best P4P can dominate the other... explain with boxing knowledge, not with insults...
and manny's offense is 100x better than floyd.. thats all he need to KO him..
Manny's offense is not that much better than Floyd. He has more power and more handspeed. Plus he is more offensive minded but technically Floyd has every punch in the book and throws them all with pin point accurate precision.
Im glad u did cause you do know what that words means right
Considering Floyd D is 10x better, thats all he need to beat him
and manny's offense is 100x better than floyd.. thats all he need to KO him..
They're two GREAT fighters (obviously) and on paper it's a very intriguing fight. However, I think it could prove to be another 'boring' Floyd victory. And I think his jab could be key against the smaller Pacquaio.
I am slightly biased, though.
yeah dropping 4 times.. with 1 loss and a draw.. i got it.. :bottle::bottle:
Im glad u did cause you do know what that words means right
Considering Floyd D is 10x better, thats all he need to beat him
Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.
I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.
However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.
What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.
Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.
Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.
BUT.....
Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.
Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.
Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.
Lastly...
Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.
Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.
I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10...
There's no denying that Floyd's style suggest that he might dominate this fight. He is the best defensive fighter in the game, he has size, reach, in ring intelligence, and all that over Pacquiao. He holds many of the tangible advantages over Pacquiao.
However, there is one about Floyd I think people underestimate, which is how much of his ability to adjust depends on the other fighter being fundamentally predictable. That's why Hatton, Mosley, Oscar, and many of his latest opponents have only done well to a point, stylistically they are basic fighters who had one weapon for Floyd to solve and when he did so, which was early, the fight was over. Also, many underestimate how much of Floyd's defensive advantage depends on athleticism and the speed and reflex advantage he holds over everyone else.
These are IMO two very important areas of Floyd's brilliance Pacquiao will trouble Floyd with. We already know Pacquiao is just as fast as Floyd, something I don't think Floyd has ever had to deal with. How does he, especially since he is not the same Floyd Mayweather of the Gatti or Judah fights, and has slowed down, deal with a guy who is every bit as fast and is always moving? The longer it takes Floyd to adjust, the worse it will be for him, not Pac.
As far as smarts, there is no denying Floyd's advantage there. Pac isn't anything close to a dumb fighter, he seems to get smarter by the fight, but Floyd is on another level. This is where Freddie Roach comes into play. It will be up to him to adjust Pacquiao as Floyd himself adjusts, and I think he will be up to that task enough to keep Pacquiao from ever becoming that predictable. Pacquiao has, as much as many try to act like he hasn't, become a much better fighter with a much less predictable offense and improved defense and counter punching since what Marquez did to Pac the first time. He won't be completely helpless against a jab or a straight right hand all night, as he had no problems taking away Cotto's jab and neutralizing Hatton's pressure and attempted roughhousing.
And the most important reason I am confident in a Pacquiao win is that I think he simply has been in fights against the type of ATGs that take him to hell and back, and will be ready for it. Floyd hasn't. And Pacquiao just seems like the hungrier fighter, and will want it more. No matter how Floyd adjusts and beats on him, Pacquiao will be there. Pacquiao has taken those beatings, beatens worse than Floyd could possibly give him, been cut and bruised and frustrated, and still walked forward landing. I don't think Floyd has the hunger for the sport anymore to deal with the animal in that ring Pacquiao is.
I know you completely disagree with me, hopefully this fight happens and we'll see who is right.:boxing:
Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.
I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.
However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.
What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.
Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.
Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.
BUT.....
Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.
Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.
Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.
Lastly...
Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.
Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.
I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10...
i agree with you when you said Floyd is a more polished fighter.
but remember this, Manny is no Shane. so thats the difference. Manny wouldnt gassed out and Manny has blazing speed too. he can throw 6-8 punches in a row. the question i come up is this though, do you think Floyd would have a chance to make adjustment when Manny keeps on throwing punches that Floyd can't see? do you think Floyd has time to make adjustment if Manny throw punches in a different directions? he may hit Manny but once Manny hit him hard and solid Floyd will definitely hit the canvass.
The fact that Pacquiao loves to come forward give him less of a chance in winning, Unless Roach can somehow calm Pac down and make him just a bit smarter again Mayweather then i give him less of a chance everytime i see this fight.
Not only would Mayweather dominate him if they ever fight but he would stop Pacquiao Imho, Ring smart would be the difference here and by the 5th round it would be the same old story, one-sided boring fight that no one wants until Pac finally runs into something.
i wonder what people would say specially those so called boxing fans when Manny beat Floyd. they think when you're a defensive fighter you are technically better than the brawler like Manny. i bet when Floyd lose they would still call him better than Manny and discredit Manny's victory.
Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.
I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.
However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.
What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.
Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.
Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.
BUT.....
Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.
Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.
Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.
Lastly...
Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.
Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.
I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10...
Here you go TS.
You guys realy focus on this p4p #1 thing WAAAAy too much.
It's funny how p4p #1 wasn't all that important BEFORE Floyd passed down the crown.
My mistake, my point was more like how can one of the two best P4P can dominate the other. So far i like to see so many different opinions on how this fight will end. Can't wait to see the fight !
just like the "improved" pac in JMM-Pac 2? how can you improve against a fighting style youve avoided since JMM?
This is so true. Pac is going to get exposed for fighting tailor made fighters(lately), after this one.
You seen what Marquez did right. Thats all. There's no need for posting paragraphs to answer a simple question
yeah dropping 4 times.. with 1 loss and a draw.. i got it.. :bottle::bottle:
How can Floyd #2 P4P can dominate the #1 P4P, explain with boxing knowledge, not with insults...
If Manny comes in aggressive, he'll be missing a lot of shots.
If he decides to go the counter-defensive route, Floyd will be the aggressor.
And something tells me the thread stater might be a shill for Team Pacquiao, if not Freddie himself.
How can Floyd #2 P4P can dominate the #1 P4P, explain with boxing knowledge, not with insults...He will hit Pac more than he's been hit before in a 12 round fight. The jab to the head, the jab to the stomach, the check left hook, the straight right will all land on Pac.
Floyd's size and reach along with his defense will be enough to exploit Pac's speed. Pac will not fight Floyd on the inside, and he can't out box Floyd. Pac's only chance is to catch Floyd, and that won't happen. Floyd has the chin and the desire, and he has one thing over any top fighter on the planet and that is his refusal to lose. Floyd's skills are unmatched in boxing today.
Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.
I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.
However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.
What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.
Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.
Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.
BUT.....
Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.
Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.
Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.
Lastly...
Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.
Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.
I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10...
Physically these fighters are even. They are both fast, both strong , both good fighters.
I think overall Floyd is the more polished better fighter and Pac is the more explosive fighter.
However what separates these two isnt skill or speed or resume. Its smarts. The smarter fighter will win.
What I have come to realize is that Floyd doesnt fight with his fists he fights with his brain. Watch the Shane Mosley fight. The adjustments he make are so ridiculous. He gets hit with 2 huge right hands in round 2. Shane goes the next 30 minutes without landing another right hand.
Adjustments. Floyd has that down to a science. He will find a weakness and poke and prod at it until his opponent is mentally and physically beaten up.
Against Pac will be no different. He will find something that works. Most think it will be the lead right. And to a certain extent I agree that is the pucnh that will light Manny up alot.
BUT.....
Floyds jab is laser accurate and blazing fast. It didnt miss Shane once. When Floyd threw it Shane had no idea what to do. Floyds jab will be important than his lead right. The lead right is always there but the Jab will make that lead right even more deadly when he throws it.
Also watch for body punching. Vs. Lefties Floyd attacks the body relentlessly.
Corley, Judah, and Mitchell got pounded to the body. Mitchell was stopped to the body and Judah was hurt to the body several times. Floyds body punching is nuts and goes unnoticed to the casual viewer. Pacs body will be attacked and hard.
Lastly...
Watch for inside fighting. Watch the clinches. Watch how Floyd maneuvers on the inside. Pac is not a good inside fighter. Floyds is hard to hit on the inside and he can still get off laser right hands and hard body shots on the inside. I dont think this fight will be competitive or close in any shape form or fashion.
Floyd will win almost every round. Early rounds will be Floyds but he will turn it up later in the fight and do more damage.
I got Floyd 10 rounds to 2. Or late stoppage around Round 10.
For me, I think Pacquiao can make it a fight with his activity and his improved boxing skills. However, certain things cant be fixed and they are habits in the ring. Example, everytime Pacman throws his left hand, the right drops to his hip exposing him ti Mayweathers ultra effective check hook. I think the right hook could be effective for Manny if he were to use it more in this instance. BUT, Floyd is a superior boxer to Pacquiao and has quicker reflexes along with defensive skills. I think it could be the most competitive fight of Floyds career, and there is always a fighter who has ya number..... Always. But, the check hook is gonna discourage Manny I think, and I have a feeliong Floyd will apply technical prowess along with his speed. But, he cant fight completely defensive and expect to get away with one shot at a time. That wont fly.