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Groves had 2 tries at a title and is 0-2. Get to the back of the queue now and give someone else a chance. And anyone who believes Groves deserves to get another crack this soon is on crack, TFOH.....

You won't remember but people said that last time too. He's a young fighter, he can learn and adjust. The problem is is that he hasn't made the necessary adjustments under fire - not with Peterson, & now with Garcia. He doesn't tuck his chin in, pulls back & relies solely on speed. Don't care how fast you are, you can be timed & your clock will be punched. Won't even go there about that delicate chin.....

Go back to fighting on ESPN.... what a joke. Kell who???? +1 He swallowed a lot of blood, huh? Sounds to me like Kelly's complaining, & this from a "fighter" on here dudes are nut-hugging as the next big thing, SMDH. This is boxing, WTH did he expect, to be fondled? He's acting like he used to swallowing something else. B!tch a$$........

I don't hate any boxer. I appreciate and cheer for them all to do well. When it comes to watching fanboys wallow in misery, I really can appreciate me some Pacquiao hate though. The only question I'd ask guys like Pacquiao or Wonjongkam is how crazy they perceive their fans as. I'm sure it would be worth many laughs to listen to their stories. Yeah, he'd probably have some stories, LOL Why would you hate, I mean really hate a pro boxer you don't know and has most probably done nothing ill towards you and the people you know? Someone I disliked I'd still be starstruck. I was with you until your last line..... Well said. Or just leave them alone & respect their privacy. +1 That's what manly is after all, being an idiot. A better question: Would you be mature enough to keep it to yourself? That is a better question. People equate saying what's on their mind as being real or thorough. They don't think that they can catch a real & thorough beatdown because of their mouth. If I hate a boxer, I have a legit reason to do so, and I would have no problem saying so to that boxer. More likely I would ignore a boxer I hate, why would I want to talk to them to begin with? There's no legit reason to hate someone you don't personally know. But I agree with you regarding speaking to them. You don't talk to someone you don't care for - that's a waste of time..... Just because I really don't like someone doesn't mean i would go up to them and say it, because that would make me a dick. I agree - what's the point? i'd spit on Broner's face if I ever saw him And his people will make sure your mouth is wired for a long time.... I think Broner's a d-bag, but as long as he don't cross my path & cross me, everyone can get to where they need to go safely. To be honest I'm not a d1ck about things like that. I usually don't go out of my way to hate on anyone on this site.....rather simply state an opinion when a question is asked. If I saw someone like Marco Antonio Barrera, Floyd or Holyfield I would just ingore them, however if someone asked me something about them or if I ever got in a conversation with one of them, then I would tell them how I truly felt and if they decided to do something ohh well. I'm not scared of anyone and I really don't see the big deal as far as telling people how you feel. However I'm not gonna go around just debo'ing *****s as that has never been who I am as a person. Exactly. If a boxer asks my opinion, then say your piece. But don't go out your way to start drama. Very counterproductive...... If you don't say anything to the drug dealer in your hood, **** you going to speak dumb ish to a boxer for, lmao??? Real talk! But you forget, some dudes wish they could be the drug dealer, so they'll be up his butt like a thermometer..... I'd rather have a word with some of the judges who have been giving these dumb scorecards. That's what I'm talking about - judges, referees & promoters can catch it. They're the ones' messing up the sport..... first of all i dont hate any fighter, i may dislike them but no fighter warrants being hated. i never write anything on the internet or say something behind someones back that i wouldnt say to their face, its a principle of mine. so i would have no problem saying it to their face, if i would do it or not depends on the situation though. if they were doing something boxing related like promoting a fight or something i probably would. if i caught them on their spare time with their family or something i wouldnt, getting critisized is part of their job but you gotta respect their private life especially if you dont have something positive to say. i would never pretend to be a fan, theres nothing worse than a fake. I concur 100%. You don't violate a man when he's with his family. And you don't front like you like someone when you don't. That just makes you a bird.....

Anyone can beat anyone on any given day. The minute that someone believes otherwise, they become just a fan and not a student of the game. If I were wrong, upsets would not exist, and I have seen some long shots not only KO better accomplished boxers, but outwork them as well. Keep in mind that skills and attributes are only one part of the total picture. There are intangibles like personal life crisis; vices such as drinking, smoking, drugs; fighters partying and not training; trainers making horrible game plans, etc. Many of these things have played huge roles on who wins a match. Some are just so talented and gifted that they can pull off a win despite all those things working against them. Donaire was schooled. There is no doubt about that. His lack of versatility was exposed and the blueprint was laid as to how to frustrate him and keep him at bay. He seems like he can make adjustments in house as a fighter. Just not over the phone with his trainer. Excellent post! Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Maybe if he catches Rigondeaux when he is older or near retirement like Sydorenko, Nishioka, and Arce. So the answer is no. Because beating some one because of old age/they're close to retirement, is not really beating them, you're a beating a shell of that fighter. I agree - there are so many examples of that... PPL forget to mention that Donaire try to rush Rigondeaux in the first round he got tagged for his trouble, Rigondeaux stayed in the pocket daring ND to coming but that first left hand that stagger him back was in his mind, the bottom line is that he didn't want to engage because he felt Rigondeaux power and he was in the brink of getting stopped in the last round; GR won the fight in the first round... Donaire ain't want none of that so much that he doesn't want a rematch..... i totally agree that 'nito's inability to adapt WAS the problem. personally, i dont believe all his excuses... and i found myself more upset with 'nito instead of rigo. donaire refused to do anything else but load up on a shot... BUT, i do feel rigo was a bit stingy for my taste. when he decided to mix it up, he got dropped, so i dont blame him for playing it safe. again, we wouldve got a more dynamic fight if rigo opened up a bit more, FOTY-type dynamic. this was a great learning experience for donaire. like you said, GREAT fighters can deal with all types of opponents... and i, personally, wouldnt call either fighter "great" yet. but at the moment, rigo is showing more promise obviously. Rigo was in Donaire's range for the 1st 4-5 rounds, giving him the business (mixing it up). Don't blame Rigo for Donaire being unable to pull the trigger - well actually, you could because Donaire was afraid of getting KTFO. And the knockdown was off of a push-off, so it was a cheap knockdown at best. And what did Rigo do? He put it on Donaire even worse after that. Besides, if it ain't broke why fix it? He mixed it up efffectively & then proceeding to fight his fight because Donaire couldn't force his will on him, nor deal with the speed & defense. A clinic was put on, plain & simple by an "amateur, paper champion" over the seasoned P4P champ. That's it. If they fight again, it will be an even worse L for Donaire.

Donaire is 31 years old and getting a new trainer will do nothing. He got use to being able to walk down, slower, smaller and older (arce, nishoska) fighters once he got in the ring with a fighter that surpassed his speed and could actually box he had nothing to offer. In the tenth round he got an ugly sort of cheap knockdown and what happened after that? Rigo got up and pasted his ass the rest of the round and fight. I just think Rigo is a technically smarter fighter that has his number. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by Suavecito80 Donaire is 31 years old and getting a new trainer will do nothing. He got use to being able to walk down, slower, smaller and older (arce, nishoska) fighters once he got in the ring with a fighter that surpassed his speed and could actually box he had nothing to offer. In the tenth round he got an ugly sort of cheap knockdown and what happened after that? Rigo got up and pasted his ass the rest of the round and fight. I just think Rigo is a technically smarter fighter that has his number. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Cheap knockdown it was. And when Rigo got up, he was like "Damn!". 10/10 times Rigo takes his lunch money..... Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Keep talking man i still remember when John Mcdermott handed your ass 2 u on a plate! Yeah, but McDermott caught the business in the 2nd fight...... how can you be so sure that fury's not ready yet? he said he wants to fight the klitschko, let him fight them and we'll see abt that. He's not & will never be, plain & simple..... I am far from a Klit bros. fan but if either of them put this dude on the canvas he will either not get up or get up just to get put on his ass again. Cunningham is a blown up cruiserweight and was able to put him down come on now. And Cunningham isn't a power puncher at that...... Some people just don't know their boxing. Vitali got BEATEN by a blown up SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT - Chris Byrd. Byrd started his career at 169 pounds.. lol So Fury got knocked down - big deal, he still won the fight, but i repeat - Vitali got beaten by a super middleweight.. Ok, we're talking about Wlad. What did Wlad do to that same "super middleweight"? Beat that a$$ 2X, with the 2nd time being even worse (KO). Give all the facts, not some, WTF?! Stop your nonsense & get them pubes out your mouth..... If Fury fights Vitali it will be a case of homicide by boxing. If he fights Wlad it will be a case of outright 1st degree murder. Why? Because Fury could be trained by Angelo Dundee, Eddie Futch, Cus D'Amato, Emanuel Stewart and you can even toss in Lou Duva for good measure and he would still suck. Hilarious!

Looks like he could be Zab Judah's brother.....

No, your goal is to win this fight - don't get ahead of yourself. ....

Poor Mayweather. Now he's making money ducking for $59.99 on PPV. Must be mad you're not doing it....... I suppose going to jail, making the most racist ustream video in history and eating mcdonalds is "coming a long way for him" lmao It is what it is - it's still not stopping them figures from coming in. So, what are you really saying? Doesnt give him The right to be a rude ******* by flaunting Money Now I TOTALLY agree with that. Mayweather is definitely not my idol. Not even one of my top 3 fighters. I respect the man's boxing skill. He's one the the best technical fighters to ever lace em up. Do I respect the man outside of the ring? Yes & no. I respect his genius to sell himself as the bad guy and in turn become the top PPV generator beside Manny. I respect that he is his own boss and how he keeps a huge chunk of the fight profits, unlike most fighters. What I don't respect about the guy is the dumb sh*t that comes out of his mouth. That being said, I'm no ***** like some of these cats on this site. You don't see me jumping on Pacquiao threads just to talk sh*t about the guy. That sh*t is sad. I get on this website to talk boxing w/ other boxing fans, not waste my time hatin on another man because I have nothing better to do with my life. Where does that put you bro? I agree - he's definitely not 1 of my faves at all. He's a d-bag but he's definitely talented & knows how to generate business for himself. Many dudes on here are so much on cats' jock, their last name is probably Scrotum. They can't be objective whatsoever, because they just want to hang on dem nutz. Sad, damn Stan dudes - if you're into boxing, be a boxing fan, not a fan of a fighter, punk a$$e$..... glad to see him overcome adversity and that life. no one chooses to be born to loser drug dealing and using parents.. however, he should be happy his dad provided a positive and successful path and seein he came from such negativity one would think he would be more humbled and appreciative of his accomplishments... instead he is known for making and posting racist videos and alleged domestic violence 3x and throwing pac under a steroid bus for 3 years with no proof... His father was what? Anyway, go run yourself....... Give the man his props haters....this is about boxing..you don't have to like him and something tells me he can care less if you do or don't...PAC fans are notorious for ripping this guy..get off his bojangles...every fight he's fought he's dominated..even his "split" win over Oscar...Free Country we can all act like ignorant *******s if we want and choose whether to give a Fugg No, don't even say that......he lost to Castillo in the 1st fight. . I realized that when people accused Ward of ducking Anthony Dirrel...Ward is so nice, brave, perfect champion, affective fighter...I couldnt believe the hate, but I THEN understood that no matter HOW good of a person u are, or fighter u are, people hate when u get to the top! +1 - a$$hole$ run the world that's why they "hate"..... Boo hoo, Floyd had a tough upbringing and was poor. Tell us another one Floyd. Floyd had two uncles that did very well from boxing and his father was a coke dealer so was raking it in. Floyd never went hungry, food was always on the table, he went to schooled and went to the gym. And the guy had the cheek to criticise Ortiz for his sob story, at least Ortiz's is real. Floyd = Middle class rich kid. How you know Floyd Sr. was making cake like that when he was selling to Floyd's moms? You sound real stupid right now........ it amazes me how you probably never met floyd, dont know anything about him but can tell the world what floyd did and didnt have....congratulations you achieved Grand Troll status +1 Poor Floyd, his family probably only had 3 T.V.s didn't have a holiday home in Switzerland and his dinning set was not silver. Floyd is joke coming out with the nonsense that he had a hard upbringing. Maybe he has just become a compulsive liar now and can't help himself. Stupid, SMDH. Why don't you get lost in Switzerland in the middle of the winter so a St. Bernard can not find you? No, the problem with Duck is that he's so ****y, arrogant, and his mouth is full of s_ _t. That's why a lot of people hate him, and can't wait to see him get beat up, like that bully in the neighborhood... I agree - the shyte talking & other bullshyte is unnecessary....... See this is the kind of stuff that he needs to share more often, it humanizes him. I still can't fathom how someone with his circumstances could grow up and act like a douche. It's easy, you forget where you came from & forget who you were before you get paid...... Mayweather would rather have someone pay to see him get beat and then he proves them wrong, then to bond with the populus. That is why his want for respect is 10x greater than his need of acceptance and adoration. And this creates a greater complexity because Pac, a guy from another country comes along and is more admired in HIS country. Floyd's ego wants respect, his heart wants adoration, and the ego wins the war. That leaves the void that Mayweather has and drives him even more toward his ego. He creates a dilemna for himself, isolation at its finest. Good assessment. And when he finally loses, he'll retire because the public finally got what they wanted..........

So if he wanted to be a douche, how come he didn't name himself Young Naseem or some BS like that? Ok, let's see where it gets you Barry, dumba$$.

Huh? Khan has great attitude. Even after his losses he did not get down on himself and was always positive about his future. I don't like that attitude aswell. It makes me question kell's mindset. Khan is not positive: he's delusional, plain & simple. And Jones may have taken Brook's heart with him...... A lesser fighter than who? Bradley? The only way to prove that is in the ring and Bradley was too pusssy to find out. Don't see wiggling out of your promotional contract as a duck. Then, he fights Pacquaio (who is head, shoulders & feet better than Khan). Help me understand..... I doubt it was him personally that turned down the fight,hes got a huge promotional team behind him and theyre relying on him to make them huge money on future Pay per view events in the UK.How is he gonna do that if he gets his arse handed to him by Bradley,hell be right at the back of the que again.Going the IBF route is the safest bet for him,Kell Brook is not just a fighter hes an investment and a lot of people are counting on him to make them a lot of money.I think people like yourself dont seem to realize that boxing is a business first and fore most and these guys are looking at the big picture not the here and now. Au contraire, I know what boxing is and what it has become. This "business" wasn't like this before. Fights were made that should have been made - now everyone brings up the "business" excuse. Back in the day, cats fought once a month, sometimes 2x/month & didn't get a title shot till they had about 40-50 fights. These cats nowadays fight 1-3 times a year, meanwhile time isn't on anyone's side and are coddled. You get a title shot, TAKE IT. He would be fighting for the title the man who (on paper) beat Pacquaio and if he wins, his stock goes up. If he loses, he lost to the champion (from which he can still regroup from). If he loses to Saldivia, not only he does not get the title shot, he starts from square one (and that's why he's mulling retirement because he knows he can't go through that again). Not bright. People like you don't seem to realize that there is no sure thing boxing and that you can still make money by making and winning good fights and if the opportunity comes, you TAKE IT. And for the record, I hope Saldivia sends Brook into retirement. Extremely talented, but a complete MENTAL MIDGET. He's already thinking about the end of his career. The pressure will be on for him to win spectacularly. That fight with Carson Jones, he almost lost to a journey man. He gassed out in the 2nd half of the fight and almost got finished. Now, he's questioning himself whether he has it or not. And if he's doing that, then he should quit - RIGHT NOW. Don't even fight Saldivia....

This. And Brook is way too young to be saying **** like this. Reminds me of Khan a bit actually. Drama queens - they should fight. Without the wigs & fake nails......

..this is what Audley Harrison keeps saying.. LOL. Pretty simple to understand why. He'd be butt raped by Top Rank in the contract - sh1t money, options on future fights etc. Much simpler to become mando for the IBF, win that title and go to the table from a stronger bargaining position. Although Bradley would probably pusssy out at that point. You think Slob would try to enslave Kell? No, he wouldn't do that! *winks* As for Bradley, don't see him as a puss. He'd also be happy if someone threw him a corn........

I hope he losses lol Something about this guy that is not right. He's been talked about being special but never really stepped up in class. Hope he changes my mind on Saturday. IMO over hyped. I thought I was the only one, LOL. He should retire based on the fact he turned a title shot w/Bradley for an ELIMINATOR, with Saldivia. Idiot.....

Uh no he fought Casamayor. Bradley fans like to pretend that fight didn't happen. I dont blame you tbh I'm by no stretch, a Bradley fan. Don't get it twisted.......and like I said, he fought Pacquiao (had it 8-4 for Pac (at worst 7-5)). Casamayor was a stay-busy fight.

Kessler doesn't want to rematch Froch in Nottingham. He'll use the excuse that he can make more money fighting in Denmark. Feelin' that avatar!

Never loses suction......

Didn't Brook duck Bradley for a title about a year ago? I remember him rejecting a title shot. Anyway, Brook Porter should be a banger, I hope they finalize it soon. Kelly Brook turned down bradley fight... Fact Kelly Brook ducked out of Alexander fight as his team knew he wasn't ready... Fact This guy is at best a European level fighter and will get exposed soon. He sounds like Keith Lemon the comedianif you want to youtube him! He has been matched very carefully and Eddie Hearn just wants the Khan fight as it generate a lot of money in the UK. Fact is Khan schools him and will beat him to the Jab everytime.... Kelly's has not got enough power to make Khan do the dance. This coming from a fighter who was twice made mandatory against Bradley and Alexander. Yep he turned down the Bradley fight instead to fight Hector Saldvia or some **** like that the dude is a clown Brook doing his best Daffy Duck impression..... Fair enough he might have ducked bradley, but it was through injury that the Alexander fight didn't happen, and Alexander was even injured in the build up to that fight aswell. And i was watching sky sports news earlier and Hearn was on promoting the Burns Crawford fight and they asked him about whats next for kell and he said that he's going to be out in march i think, in liverpool for a fight before he gets his shot at the ibf, so hopefully its against Bundu, and how could anyone say that Bundu, the guy that couldn't take purdy out till the very last second would beat kell, Purdy was eating shots from him all night and they had no effect until the last 20 seconds, kells skill set is waaay superior to Bundu's, that jab keep's him at bay all night. But you can't knock Bundu, he's excellent for 39. You just did.........

Finally Khan is growing some backbone. A better chin and defense vs. the left hook would be much better...... Did you guys noticed that Khan didn't mentioned Thurman's name when he was asked about fighting Kell Brook? He responded with, Broner, Guerrero, Alexander, Porter as the only options. I wouldn't be surprised if he considers Paulie an option too. Khan is willing to fight Floyd, but he doesn't want to earn the fight. A Paulie fight would be meaningless, but then again, Paulie might actually knock him out & redeem himself, LOL

why would floyd rig a poll and then pick the loser of the poll? dumb uneducated ghetto floyd fans LMAO I GUARANTEE you live in a ghetto yourself - look up the word before you use it so loosely......

Hatton better stop that crying shyte - he was balling before Pacquaio starched his a$$. Counter productive......

The Punch was due to a perfect Fight Plan, and excellent conditioning!!! Exactly, which JMM executed perfectly.......

Only statement Groves would be making is... by beating Johnson, is that he beat the 2nd coming of Saoul Mamby. If he loses, then it's a totally different statement he makes, LOL. ...

:headbang: I was nearly right, Pac was on his way to destroying the great JMM but he just got to excited, he will have to correct it or get the same thing , but I have a feeling he will correct it , come that time if you are still here we can do the points thing on here mang. UNTIL THEN MANG ,,,,,,take this :nutkick: Have fun , yer day is coming mang, LMAO !!! Was nearly right? Since when did that count? LOL @ your moral victory, too bad it doesn't count. And you don't know if he was going to "destroy" Marquez, because Marquez KHTFO, MANG! Get off Pac's nuggets - damn scrotum......

What the fuk is a " mang " ? Dont talk sh1t to me please. That is fake sh1t, and you know it. No, you are wrong, Marquez has been in situations like that his whole career, and nobody has ever knocked him out. He adjusts, that is what he does. It is fanboy rubbish to use the " woulda, coulda, shoulda" system. Let me explain why..... 1.) Pacquiao has not knocked anybody out in a long time. 2.) Marquez adjusts to EVERY opponent/situation. Point #2 is far more likely than Point #1, for obvious reasons. You need to drop that fake " mang " sh1t, it is ridiculous and annoying. What I've been saying for eons- Marquez is one of the best, if not the best at making adjustments in the ring.....

LOL at you telling me to "get real". I am not some irrational boxing fan that loves one boxer obsessively and unconditionally. I love both Pacquiao and JMM. They are two of the best champions of the past decade. But they BOTH are. I love how you go on and on about how Marquez clearly and obviously won the first three fights, and then make the statement you made in bold. Three knockdowns equals a 10-6 round, and Manny lost the fight because one judge erroneously scored it a 10-7, causing the first match to end in a draw. The fourth fight was the FIRST MATCH WITH A DECISIVE VICTORY for either guy, and it was JMM because he knocked Pacquiao out cold. You are delusional though acting as if Marquez has always dominated the series, considering the first three fights were all close, and Marquez was getting was he was dishing up until the KO. GTFOH with all that ****. The funny thing is, Marquez himself would agree with me. LOL at 'get real'. The 1st fight was a draw, even with the 3 kd's. The next 2 were Marquez, even with the kd in the 2nd fight. In the last fight, there was a different dynamic - Manny got dropped (and it looked ugly). But he got up & busted Marquez up. Manny figured since Marquez never knocked him down before, that he could get reckless, but Marquez is a master at adjustments, worked on that punch & caught him lovely. No need for a 5th fight, because Marquez will do him even more dirtier than the last fight. Only way this happens is because of what? $$$$$$$$$ I agree, they were all competitive.

You were wrong to say that JMM the great gave Pac those matches, when the world knows Pac gave them to JMM. You never saw Pac begging for them, going to Mexico and wearing shirts saying he won all the fights. You are blind if you say that Pac wasn't winning and getting ready to KO JMM, even JMM said it , he said he had to do something or he was getting KO'd by PAC. We all know that Pac got to excited and fell into the trap , Great Risk takers have done it in the past and will do it in the future. Nobodys crying about JMM KOing Pac so go to your room little stupid sucker and Mang,,,If you just want to troll go to Mayweathers site and troll Stop your shyte! JMM said he had to be careful because he COULD get ko'd. He got excited & got ko'd, huh? So he was aroused? WTFIWWY? Pac played himself & got caught, end of story. Stop being a turd & get out of Pac's a$$ already, MANG!