What do you think Donaire's chances would be in an immediate rematch with Rigo.. Does he have a shot to beat him or is the style match up something he can't overcome?
Roy Jones Jr noted one tactical error in Donaire's game plan - he said Donaire neglected to throw the lead right hand regularly which is one way to approach a southpaw opponent. Whether it was Rigo's defense or Donaire's ill-preparation we don't know for sure.
Do you believe Donaire when he says he wasn't feeling 100% going into the fight? If you don't believe that then could Donaire switch tactics to secure a victory? Or is Rigondeaux too good for any version of Donaire?
This is like asking, Could Chavez Jr beat Martinez, or Could anyone beat Andre Ward, or could Sugar Ray Leonard beat Aaron Pryor. The answer to all of those questions is NO. To clarify the last option, Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Aaron Pryor throughout his whole career. However thats not to say Leonard wasn't a good boxer. Leonard was a great boxer who had great fights but still ducked Aaron Pryor.
Donaire was exposed and 126 pounders can use the rigondeaux match as a gameplan to beat this guy. Mikey beats him, and Russell Jr beats him.
Its always possible, sure he could..he's a very good fighter. Rigo could also improve though, and his confidence will be sky high going into a rematch. I would favour Rigo to win a rematch.
your qoute makes me question if you seen the fight, No Donaire never landed a hard left hook on Rigo, not even close, if Donaire landed the left hook, same one he landed on Montiel and Darchinyan, it's nightie night for Rigo. dont make it seem like Rigo has a solid chin when we all know he doesn't
Oh you are insane ive seen it twice in the 1st and 3rd he got tagged with nuclear bombs and tagged Nonito back harder so Nonito got gun shy Rigondeaux is not Montiel or Darchinyan he could see all those bombs coming unlike those 2 and thats why he didnt get ktfo what youre saying is that all fighter that get hit by Donaire will have no choice but to pass out, doesn't work that way. My proof is HE LOST
Nope. Rigo backpeddling pot shot style just makes Donaire look bad. Rigo will not stand toe to toe, he knows damn well about that left hook, he'll frustrate Donaire all night and
Rematch would be the same, maybe Donaire wins another round or two but unless Rigo stands and tries to trade then same outcome.
Donaire can definitely beat any version of Rigo, he has the skills and power, he just needs to change his fighting mentality.
Donaire hit Rigo with he's hardest left hook and he took it and gave some back so what does Donaire have in terms of skill to beat him as you know him now that Rigo cant handle? Unless he develops some new moves The Donaire we all know and loved in 2012 since 07 has a slim to none chance.
Maybe if he catches Rigondeaux when he is older or near retirement like Sydorenko, Nishioka, and Arce. So the answer is no. Because beating some one because of old age/they're close to retirement, is not really beating them, you're a beating a shell of that fighter.
I agree - there are so many examples of that...
PPL forget to mention that Donaire try to rush Rigondeaux in the first round he got tagged for his trouble, Rigondeaux stayed in the pocket daring ND to coming but that first left hand that stagger him back was in his mind, the bottom line is that he didn't want to engage because he felt Rigondeaux power and he was in the brink of getting stopped in the last round; GR won the fight in the first round...
Donaire ain't want none of that so much that he doesn't want a rematch.....
i totally agree that 'nito's inability to adapt WAS the problem. personally, i dont believe all his excuses... and i found myself more upset with 'nito instead of rigo. donaire refused to do anything else but load up on a shot... BUT, i do feel rigo was a bit stingy for my taste. when he decided to mix it up, he got dropped, so i dont blame him for playing it safe. again, we wouldve got a more dynamic fight if rigo opened up a bit more, FOTY-type dynamic.
this was a great learning experience for donaire. like you said, GREAT fighters can deal with all types of opponents... and i, personally, wouldnt call either fighter "great" yet. but at the moment, rigo is showing more promise obviously.
Rigo was in Donaire's range for the 1st 4-5 rounds, giving him the business (mixing it up). Don't blame Rigo for Donaire being unable to pull the trigger - well actually, you could because Donaire was afraid of getting KTFO. And the knockdown was off of a push-off, so it was a cheap knockdown at best. And what did Rigo do? He put it on Donaire even worse after that. Besides, if it ain't broke why fix it? He mixed it up efffectively & then proceeding to fight his fight because Donaire couldn't force his will on him, nor deal with the speed & defense. A clinic was put on, plain & simple by an "amateur, paper champion" over the seasoned P4P champ. That's it. If they fight again, it will be an even worse L for Donaire.
Rigo had an answer for everything and Donaire had all the momentum going into the fight. There was this punchers mystique about him that I believe no longer applies. I mean sure he knocked him down but nonito was never able to hurt him.
Rigo did hurt Donaire and had him figured out from the first minute. Rigo gets the ko in the rematch.
Donaire is capable of fighting so much better than he did. I can't believe he would just lose to Rigo every single time.
Rigondeaux stood in front of him without moving for the first 4 rounds, every time he went after GR he got tagged and hard, that is why he didn't do $h1t the rest of the fight... He was scared and he say he didn't feel Rigondeaux power until the 10th round, he have a sack of excuses and he is beind using it since Rigondeaux call him out one year ago...
i totally agree that 'nito's inability to adapt WAS the problem. personally, i dont believe all his excuses... and i found myself more upset with 'nito instead of rigo. donaire refused to do anything else but load up on a shot... BUT, i do feel rigo was a bit stingy for my taste. when he decided to mix it up, he got dropped, so i dont blame him for playing it safe. again, we wouldve got a more dynamic fight if rigo opened up a bit more, FOTY-type dynamic.
this was a great learning experience for donaire. like you said, GREAT fighters can deal with all types of opponents... and i, personally, wouldnt call either fighter "great" yet. but at the moment, rigo is showing more promise obviously.
No he didn't, everytime he exchange he got the better of "nitos", he got dropped coming out of a clinch and that show that he needs a to learn a few tricks in the pro ranks, "nito' got tagged and he felt Rigondeaux power in the first round and was looking for a way out in the 12th, he was lucky he didn't get hit earlier or the fight was not 15 rounds, he didn't do $h1t because he was scare at what was coming back to him.
This is all I'm saying basically....He is capable of fighting much better, will that get him a W...who knows, but it will def make the fight more competitive.
Donaire can fight better, no doubt, the problem is that Rigo is far superior, that's Donaire's problem. In the begining of the fight Rigo stood in the center of the ring, without moving, Donaire tried but received Rigo's hard punches....so he lay still and doubtful. He felt Rigo's power and feared being defeated by KO... that's all
if he fought better, sure he could
he got frustrated and stopped throwing shots
he was looking for 1 big shot to get a KO
he was following Rigo instead of cutting him off
if Nonito wasn't leading, he wasn't fighting much at all
he's normally a better counterpuncher than he showed in this fight
obviously, some of this was simply taken away from him by Rigo
can't tell quite how much of it was just him showing up flat
but if he was injured or struggling with weight, that's his fault
in any case, he didn't look his best in the fight
props to Rigo, but Nonito is certainly capable of fighting better
This is all I'm saying basically....He is capable of fighting much better, will that get him a W...who knows, but it will def make the fight more competitive.
PPL forget to mention that Donaire try to rush Rigondeaux in the first round he got tagged for his trouble, Rigondeaux stayed in the pocket daring ND to coming but that first left hand that stagger him back was in his mind, the bottom line is that he didn't want to engage because he felt Rigondeaux power and he was in the brink of getting stopped in the last round; GR won the fight in the first round...
I actually think alot of you are wrong in believing rigo schools donaire 10/10 times. I believe that donaire was a victim of his own success and didn't really study rigo like he should have. He went into the fight believing that he would catch him easily and ko him sooner or later like he has done all recent previous opponents. If any of you are true boxing fans and have watched donaire enough, you would know that donaire is a counter puncher, so him trying to lead on top of him just looking for a homerun punch against a slick defensive counter puncher wasn't going to work. Unfortunately for donaire he wasn't prepared with a plan b, c, etc. rigo was slick and all the feints and movements both were doing just worked in rigo's favor. I don't think rigo's punching power really bothered donaire until the end of the fight, donaire just looked a lot slower then normal. I do believe rigo is a tad bit faster and quicker then donaire, but overall donaire can adjust to that with timing. I also believe he did have a hard time making weight, judging by previous fights where he is actually pretty quick with jumping in and out, he didn't do that at all in this fight, and he didn't cut off the ring because he didn't have that in a game plan.
Overall, with coming in at a comfortable weight, and by knowing what to expect from rigo the fight will definitely be different. Rigo is gonna fight the same way 10/10 yes but donaire has the skills and is capable of adjusting with correct game plan and knowing what to expect this time around. I'm not buying the shoulder thing, but I will buy the weight issue and lack of time with robert garcia.
Is that not a damn excuse? What is funny is that a week before the fight nonoto was seven pounds from 122 and all of the tards that were going for nonoto were saying nah he is good he always does that etc. after his boxing 101 class all of the sudden he had trouble making weight. GTFOH :killyou:
Rigo shouldn't be limited to only fighting nonito's type of fight. Nonito was the guy ranked top 5 p4p, he should be able to deal with rigo's style.
The fight would've been better if Nonito tried more. WHen he finally stepped on the pedal-rds 10-12, he got th KD but rigo regained control 45 secs later. In the 11th and 12th nonito ate shots-culminating with the black eye. Nonito kept his hand up afterwards.
Fighters know when they are outclassed and in trouble, no matter how much we as fans like them. Look at floyd-hes back with his dad because cotto hit him way more than he should so its back to the defense. No matter what line of bs they sell us-they know the truth.
Nonito fought like he didn't want to get KTFO in front of his pregnant wife in the biggest fight on the biggest stage of his career. Least he didnt pulla zab judah or victor ortiz.
He can get better and will still be a problem for top fighters as he moves up.
Good post, I agree
Rigo is not invincible and I would favor Donaire in a rematch. If Donaire uses that reach and let Rigo come to him, he'll have a lot more opportunities to counter Rigo.
Let's do a rematch
I actually think alot of you are wrong in believing rigo schools donaire 10/10 times. I believe that donaire was a victim of his own success and didn't really study rigo like he should have. He went into the fight believing that he would catch him easily and ko him sooner or later like he has done all recent previous opponents. If any of you are true boxing fans and have watched donaire enough, you would know that donaire is a counter puncher, so him trying to lead on top of him just looking for a homerun punch against a slick defensive counter puncher wasn't going to work. Unfortunately for donaire he wasn't prepared with a plan b, c, etc. rigo was slick and all the feints and movements both were doing just worked in rigo's favor. I don't think rigo's punching power really bothered donaire until the end of the fight, donaire just looked a lot slower then normal. I do believe rigo is a tad bit faster and quicker then donaire, but overall donaire can adjust to that with timing. I also believe he did have a hard time making weight, judging by previous fights where he is actually pretty quick with jumping in and out, he didn't do that at all in this fight, and he didn't cut off the ring because he didn't have that in a game plan.
Overall, with coming in at a comfortable weight, and by knowing what to expect from rigo the fight will definitely be different. Rigo is gonna fight the same way 10/10 yes but donaire has the skills and is capable of adjusting with correct game plan and knowing what to expect this time around. I'm not buying the shoulder thing, but I will buy the weight issue and lack of time with robert garcia.
I actually think you are absolutely wrong in believing Rigo don't schools Donaire 10/10 times.
Even in a fight where Donaire beats Rigo with one KO punch, Donaire would have been mastered by Rigo until that punch.
- Rigo's physical conditions are superior (speed, power from both hands, resistence and recuperation capacity). This conditions came from genetics and also from a hard training that started when Rigo was 10 years old. Donaire could try to equal Rigo's physics conditions only with his size and with his 12-15 extra pounds in the ring.
- Rigo's technique is far superior (some people talk about styles... but I prefer to talk about technique)
Rigo's defensive technique is far better and also is his attack. Rigo's punches are technically perfects. Rigo moves and positions his hands, arms, torso and feet perfectly when he attacks and also when he recovers his defensive position. Rigo's boxing technique is a mix of sport, art and science.
Donaire's best and hardest punch is a curve punch. He can't throw his straight punches (which are the fastests punches in boxing) as fast, precise and hard as Rigo can do (because he don't knows how to do it).I think Donaire will never reach this technical level because he has 30 years and he need some years of perfectioning and... good trainers, with a lot of sport science knowledge, with real modern and scientific methods.
- Rigo's boxing experience is so big that Donaire will never accumulate similar amount of experience in his boxing life.
Rigo is a world elite boxer since 2000. He is undefeated for more than 10 years and in the middle won: 2 Olympic Games, 2 World Championships, many other tournaments (where boxers can´t avoid or select rivals) and... SEVEN
Cuban National Championships!!! That's why he is the best boxer in amateur history, the best boxer in Cuba boxing history (amateur and pro) and one of the best in boxing history. Rigo fought and defeated several boxers similar and superior to Donaire (a known example: Gamboa, who can destroy Donaire).
Donaire never fought a boxer similar to Gamboa in skills and power (still less similar to Rigo, of course).
Donaire is only two years younger than Rigo, it's impossible for him to reach Rigo's experience, fighting 3 or 4 times in a year (and selecting Arces, Nishiokas and similar rivals).
- Rigo's intelligence is far superior.
If you can't beat Rigo within first 3 rounds you have a very big problem to win this fight, because he knows all about you and will make required adjustments in real time.
Donaire has only one strategy and only one style, he can't adapt his tactic to overcome opponent's boxing (like vs Narvaez for example) he is unidimentional and... taking Rigo's punches in the head is not the best way to become smarter.