They will easily get in the HOF.
Can't ask more than dominating the division you're in...
If you fail to see and appreciate their dominance, you're just a hater, simple.
Taylor schools him. Kessler has a better 168 resume but that's because Taylor hasn't fought at that weight yet. JT is a better overall fighter than Kessler IMO.This is what I mean, Taylor is the only one that is a real danger for Kessler, In the SMW it's really a toss up between Kessler and Taylor, these 2 are way ahead of the rest, I don't see how someone considering Kessler better can be overrating.
More like California.Really? I heard that if the CSAC takes away your license it's in all of USA, not just Cali, if it's that then that's a horrible punishment... He would still be able to fight in NY or Atlantic city or anywhere else...
You gotta prove it in the ring though.You gotta be realistic man, if you've seen Kessler fight, and if you've seen the rest, you know that he is MUCH better than both Froch and Bute, Wlad is the best HW, but he hasn't fought Chagaev, does that mean I'm overrating him if I say he's the best, and he needs to prove it against Chagaev??
Man come on you telling me you have not heard people say he is the best 168lbs fighter. There are a host of good names out there he has not faced.What?! You call that being overrated? Poeple calling him the best 168lber? The only fighter that I would say has a great chance of beating Kessler is Taylor. Who else is there? Carl Froch, Lucian Bute? These 2 would get destroyed by Kessler.
I dont know i will make my decision when their is more clarity in the division, because the best fighter just left the division and i believe all is to play for.
Why dont they just give all the belts to Kessler now and let all the others fighters fights a round robin :lol1:because apparently Kessler doesn't need to prove he is the best 168lbs, because you THINK he already is, because you THINK he would beat all those other fighters .
Now you're just being childish, you're again saying what I commented on before, saying how unless he's fought every fighter in the division, someone can't be considered the best. You said you rate Wlad the best, because he's established, yet when I say I rate Kessler the best, because he is also, without a doubt the most established SMW in the world, you say It's just my opinion. Of course it's an opinion, it's also an opinion that someone like Gatti would beat Whitaker, you wouldn't be able to PROVE that wrong either, but using common sense, and seeing how both fighters fight, the logical conclusion is that Whitaker would school him. Using the same concept, I conclude that Kessler could beat both Froch and Bute, while you just seem to have no opinion on it.
Its not commonsense to suggest Kessler is the best 168lb'er like it is too suggest Wlad is the best HW though, thats my point.
If Kessler was the best SMW out there he would be universally recognized as the SMW king pin, but he is not, and for a reason.
Wlad is there on merit.Look at the ring ratings. He's #1, he also beat both Andrade and Mundine in dominating fashion, who are 3rd and 4th on the list, respectively.
Its not that fighters that don't fight in the US are not worthy, its that the ones who only stay in Europe, fight garbage opponents, and claim themselves as of the best. Example, Kessler. Also, its no secret that the fighters fighting in the US are generally better than the ones fighting in Asia and clearly better the the average fighter fighting in Europe.In some divisions, at least right now, the Europeans are in control, like the HW division, or the SMW division. I would want someone like Kessler to fight in USA, not because there is better fighters for him, (cause in the SMW, there isn't really any Americans, other than Jermaine Taylor) but realistically speaking if you want to make a name for yourself in history, and get the $$$ you HAVE to fight in USA at least 1 or 2 big fights.
Wlad has built himself up as the best HW by seeing off the best challengers Kessler has not done that. When he did face the linear champ he lost.
The best guy in the 168lbs division has not long left..... so that 168lb supremacy is on the table to be fought for ........to prove who is the best at that weight.
Kessler beats those guys he gets my vote.:sigh1:
Again, you are just looking at statistics saying, Kessler has not fought these guys, so you can't say he's better...
Like I said, if you actually watch the matches in the SMW division, you can clearly see that Kessler and Taylor are the only ones worth debating as to who is the best SMW, and they are much better than the rest.
I did'nt think Forrest would beat Mosley, but guess what? he did. I didn't think Golota would whip Bowe, but guess what? he did.
I deal with statistics, because thats what PROVES who is the better fighter.So then you have no opinion on who the best fighter in any division is? Because the way I'm reading it is you're saying there is no best fighter in any division, unless he has fought every single person in that division. Which no one has done so I don't see how you would rank anyone in history with that mentality.
God ...pfft
Ive already gone through this, Wlad has established himself by beating most the guys the people demanded he fight to prove himself the best in the division.
Kessler was NEVER recognized as the linear SMW champ, because their was already a linear champ and he lost too the linear SMW champ, so why does he suddenly become the best in the div, because he put up and decent fight for 4 rounds? or because in your opinion he looks superior to the other fighters in his div, allthough he has not proved it.I base it on the fact that he IS the most established SMW in the world, combined with my opinion based on seeing him, and the other fighters in that division fight. If you don't agree with him being ranked first, who would you rank first in that division, or what's your top 5 fighters on that division, based on your opinion?
ran into retirement because he was afraid to fight Mosley, Cotto, Margarito? :rofl: The idiocy of some of you fan boys. Least Cotto is doing what Mayweather would NEVER do. That's fight the best at welterweight.
If anyone quit it was Little Sinclair when the going got tough.
He has ONLY decided to return after the welterweights have all had it out against each other :lol1: pathetic..
It amazes me how you'll hate on a fighter for at least manning up to fight an opponent but praise one who clearly wanted no part of them.
Calling Cotto a quitter is just as stupid as saying Floyd was actually afraid of Mosley, Marg and Cotto.
Mosley - Cotto
Had the fight been on the westcoast. Mosley would have gotten the nodI find it VERY hard to give Mosley that match. I've even rewatched it giving Mosley the benefit of the doubt, and it just seemed like Cotto did more, and was more in control throughout the fight. There is no way that is a controversial decision. Cotto deserved to win it.
He looked a lot better against Paulie, but the speed wasn't there like it was in the Tszyu fight. It seemed Hatton lost something after getting knocked out by Mayweather. Mayweather didn't ruin him by any means, but it took the "press this guy till he drops" out of him imo.I guess you could look at it like that. What I saw was a smart Hatton who took his time and was actually thinking, but who knows, maybe that IS a sign of him aging;him not being all jumpy like before. Guess we'll see with Pacman.
he's on the other side of the mountain going down...not shot or past prime..but not fresh and prime.....Based on what? The few bad rounds he had against Lazcano? If anything Hatton is in his prime right now IMO, he has gained a lot of experience from the PBF fight IMO. People can say Paulie was feather-fisted etc etc, but he was a complete nightmare style for Hatton, and Ricky dominated and broke him.
Clottey vs. Williams would've been a nice one, but once again, we can thank Bob for dropping the ball.
I'll be more than happy to bump this thread using those exact words if Paul proves anything to me this year. But I have a feeling after Wright he'll go on to fight some other fringe contender or journeyman, and his fans will once again chalk it up to nobody wanting to fight him, therefore he's the ultimate badass.
He needs to just start calling people out, the only person I've heard him call out was Margarito multiple times, and we all knew Tony didn't have any intrest in fighting Paul again.
The Pavlik shit was funny, but who honestly thought it would happen?
You're seriously underrating Wright.... You're making it sound like he's just a stepping stone for Williams, and Williams will walk all over him.
Yea, I'm getting the feeling of dejavu here with Williams, IDK why but he reminds me of when Miranda KO'd David Banks in spectacular fashion and all of a sudden he was a force to be reckoned. Williams is good, that's about it, he has shown me nothing in his whole career to tell me that he has potential to be greatness. He was getting outboxed with Quintana, yet just continued with the same gameplan for the whole fight, he couldn't adjust. (BUT HE KO'D HIM IN 1 :rolleyes:)In the recent fights he's fought the same as always, so I don't see much improvement. If Wright comes in even close to as good as he fought Hopkins, he will take the decision.
Well when you factor in that Wright is 37 years old, will be inactive for nearly 2 years by the time fight night rolls around, has shown very little intrest in the sport of boxing for nearly 2 years, and has pretty much been doing nothing but eating Krispy Kremes since the Hopkins loss.....it doesn't look good for him.
Though I hope you're right, I'd love nothing more than for Winky to kick Paul's ass and end this NSB bandwagon he has, once and for all.You're completely right, Wright has been completely silent, he was calling out numerous people a short while after the Hopkins fight, but after that we heard nothing of him. I just feel Wright has the natural skills and smarts that don't go away with ring rust. He's too smart to just let himself be trapped into a fight that would suit Williams.If Williams wins it's on work rate, and nothing else, IMO. A prime Wright wouldn't even have Williams in his radar.