On a serious note; I haven't been following boxing news as of late, but I thought Floyd kicked Ellerbe out of the camp claiming that he has been performing poorly at his duties and listed a number of complaints during the Maidana fight 2. Did he hire him back?
I'll bite - I think Lamont will be very competitive in this fight and expose Garcia's flaws that is the lack of head movement and wide-looping punches. That coupled with "something to prove", he'll surprise people this performance.
At the end of the day, GGG is an asset to the network given the amount of resources poured into marketing this guy. A fighter like Lara, would prove too much of a risk at this level where the network can see a better return on other matchups like the Cottos, Alverezs, and Mayweather. Until then, his management, promoters and distribution channels will continue to carefully pick the next fight.
There is nothing wrong with that, but just see it for what it is. Clever match-making.
This is a troll thread looking to achieve one thing, get the Martinez fans riled up.
I'll bite. Martinez > Mayweather.
I've always pointed out the reasons of a Martinez victory over Mayweather. Maybe in this stage of Martinez career it may be more of a competitive fight given Martinez injury but I think he has the skill, size and movement to give Mayweather problems. We will see after Cotto.
I'm not even a Floyd fan and I'm being called a "troll" for something that is so obvious if you would take a step back and stop thinking like little *****es.
I can address this since I am the one who stated this is a troll thread. Here is why: The first point, to a boxing fan, can't be taken seriously. Floyd Mayweather fans may agree with this; however, generally, to say Martinez is not "good enough" is a flagrant statement. Martinez has good skills and is very capable of fighting and beating pure boxers/punchers, he has the movement ring intelligence and the level of opposition has been pretty staunch.
The second point is commendable but invalid considering that he fought a "lesser" known fighter in Maidana and got beat the **** up. Pardon the language.
Lastly, most trolls laugh at their own threads they start and make statements like "Now you guys can rest easier at night". Sorry bro.
I'm just being objective here.
You're post:
1.) he's not good enough, skill wise.
2.) he's not popular enough, he has no market value.
Now you guys can rest easier at night.
Lol@the thought of Mayweather ducking an easy UD against Martinez.
If you think I'm trolling that's your opinion, I'm being rash, I'm being a little ignorant. But I also believe I am being real considering the amount of thought I out into the thread, which wasn't a lot.
Yes, Mayweather has fought lesser people as equally popular as Martinez. Doesn't make Martinez anymore marketable. He still isn't. Just because Mayweather fights unpopular guy "a" (Maidana) doesn't mean he's going to fight unpopular guy b (Martinez) or unpopular guy c (insert unpopular boxer name here.)
Did I call Martinez a bum? No. I said he's not good enough to beat Mayweather (implying that he is a good boxer, just not good enough for the task at hand.)
So we agree in ways, and we disagree in ways. Because you think Martinez is good enough to beat Floyd and I disagree, does that mean you're trolling?
Absolutely not. Your entitled to your opinion and I respect it. That said, the tone in your initial post seemed trollish. It's all good though - no hard feelings we can agree to disagree. :boxing:
Schaefer & Haymon trying to release Richard from non-compete, & Haymon may give up rights to #Oscar on some fighters as part of it! #boxing— Rick Glaser (@RickGlaser1) June 5, 2014
If true, my hope is it will be fighters like Khan, Matthysse and Maidana. If he could throw Thurman in too, that would be good (but he won't because that's the next star).
THat's kind of smart. I'd want to qunatify the future value ($) you could get on each of the proposed fighters on the table (which is kind of messed up - fighters are being held hostage contractually). As a matter of fact, Haymond is at a disadvantage, my bet is many of the Haymon fighters will be back under GBP umbrella because Haymon, Mayweather Promotions, Schaefer aren't officially licsenced promoters.
Yeah, but all they really need is to ally with a promoter who has a license. The non-compete clause is preventing Schaefer from being involved.
Understood- that is the basis of the alleged deal. If Schaefer clause is lifted you'll see that man most likely get the likes of Mayweather Promotions up and running organizationally and market the fighters they'll hold after this deal. I can imagine fighters like Garcia, Thurman will be sought after.
Not sure if it's true, but I can respect his honesty. Ward isn't the biggest draw either....perhaps it's not econically feasible especially if Ward starts demanding it to be in the States.
I'm Caucasian by way of primarily Italian and my fav fighters are Mexican(Canelo)British(Khan, Froch) **** (Khan) Puerto Rican (Cotto) Black ( Thurman.)
I don't see much of that (at least on display) from anyone else...
I can appreciate where your're coming from but i disagree with your observation.
In my opinion, generally browsing through the NSB forum, i don't see many public declarations of background. For what it's worth, I like a vast number of fighters of different "creeds" like yourself. I guess its what you pay most attention to while browsing.
I'm watching as everything keeps unfolding at GBP with all the fighters who are signing with Al Haymom.
Schaffer was the CEO and paid by GBP to look after the best interests of the company and it looks like he did anything but look after GBP. He looked after his own interests.
He robbed GBP of it's assets and helped siphon them elsewhere
for what I expect will be his future benefit..WOW what a crook.
He has all the ingredients to be the next Arum one Arum is dead and gone. He is bent and crooked to the core!!
The more I think about the whole situation - Oscar screwed himself not being present in the daily operation of his company, being socially irresponsible and publicly hurting his image and the branding of his company and by trusting his company to an investment banker who are notoriously known for cut throat practices.
As an owner of a company he should've been privy to the deals that were coming in. How many fighters are actively promoted, which fighters aren't being promoted and finding solutions as to get their name out there at the lowest possible cost at decent venues/arenas. He should've been sober from the beginning. He should've been present when contracts were being signed and should've bring the hammer down when fighters were being promoted without promotional contracts.
If anything Schaefer did what any business minded individual would do in a situation...given the ignorance and condition of the owner he operated to hedge his losses and align himself with others (potentially) that can get him a better deal.
Interesting point you are attempting to make (broner has the better resume) but unfortunately leads to an unbalanced analysis. Other questions need to be asked if you want to make a fair comparison of these two:
Who has had the most difficulty against mediocre competition?
Who has demonstrated superior skill and future potential?
These questions amongst others lead to the conclusion that Golovkin is the superior fighter.
Exactly! The thread is a loaded question both haven't really proven themselves. Not that it's a bad question but both aren't nessesarily fighting competitive fights...(with the exception of Maidana).
I'd have to say Broner though.
I think he's a decent fighter with some upside (i.e., room to grow) however the man hypes himself up. He's put himself on this pedastal beyond his growing ability. I think he's made himself out to be a hypejob. I think he can strike that balance where is persona could be dialed down a notch and still be ****y (or confident) in his ability. But, that said, he did it to himself.
So what Martinez wears a brace. ****, if I was Martinez I'd sue the **** out of the State of New York for inconsistent practices - again Yuri Foreman had a supportive apparatus that protected his bum knee. Now it's a problem? Now it's an issue?????
C'mon man, Roach is looking for every advantage, loophole. That's lame.
Interestingly enough, it appears that GBP and it's constituents never tied anyone down with any type of agreement. BHOP, if is a partner with GBP, isn't going anywhere fast. If he is looking to jump to another promoter - he'd probably couldn't because he would be subject to the same non-competing clause. He may want Haymon to represent him as a manager; or advisor, but that should have no impact to his duties/obligation as a partner for the company.
I thkn I would've asked the most glaring question - how are you able to operate as a CEO of a promotional company without the ability to conduct any events without the proper liscening? In effect, how are you and Floyd going to fight in Nevada?
The only thing really important is the non-compete clause and there definitely should be one. That said, those things usually run for about a year (not long in the big scheme of things) or when the business that the prior CEO was handling is complete/over.
Also, unless GBP has some bylaws stating otherwise (and it's possible since they're a private firm), there is nothing that can stop Schaefer from starting his own company while holding shares of GBP. Now if he was to join another promotional company, they may (I repeat, may) ask him to sell his GBP shares simply because they don't want him to have a reason to see their rival do well.
I said the same exact thing on another post.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14620407&postcount=188
It's true...there is most likely a non-compete clause. It's the reason why he's probably very open-ended with his "next step".
Lou Dibella on the phone w NYSAC. Wondering why Sergio might not be allowed to wear a knee brace pic.twitter.com/hSWCOgcePL— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
DiBella wondering why this issue pops up now and why they had Sergio do extra MRIs for Sergio to get licensed— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
Lou says of course the fight will go on! But wants to make sure the playing field us level— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
Lou says of course the fight will go on! But wants to make sure the playing field us level— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
DiBella wondering why this issue pops up— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
...now. Finds it sorta fishy. But says the Sergio knee is perfect so it***39;s really no swear— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
Lou said he was told NYSAC medical advisory board called for ban on knee brace sheath.— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
NFL QBs wear braces etc. why shouldn***39;t a boxer, to protect himself??— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
Team DiBella got a call this morning about the nix on knee braces. Lou says he sees guys wearing them on his Broadway Boxing shows— Michael Woods (@Woodsy1069) June 2, 2014
Crazy...didn't Yuri Foreman wear a knee brace for his fight against Cotto??? Just saying....
Depends on how Sergio looks against Cotto.
If he absolutely decimates him and looks like the Martinez from a few years back that annihilated Paul Williams - Not a chance.
If his knee blows apart again and he struggles to win a gift decision with another torn shoulder muscle or broken hand - Book it.
That's probably the most realistic outlook on the "Mayweather vs Martinez bout. Though, I wouldn't say Mayweather is "scared" - I have more respect for the fighter than the recycled "scared" argument.
That being said. Martinez vs Cotto will indicate, for certain, the health and condition of his knee. I believe Martinez will win convincingly, should his knee hold up.
If the fight was ever to be made with Mayweather, I would imagine Mayweather terms and consessions will be the winner of the fight. Not Mayweather. He's the boss - unfortunately. In a perfect world where Martinez knee is healthy and the fight is at a legit weight like 154 or more? Martinez beats Mayweather.
Jmm very questionable hire meno who a proven cheat, dropped PAC twice when he couldn't do it in the first three fights ,40yrs old and has the best shape of his life, acne on his chest and back ...
The only one who don't want to Amit that he questionable is Mexicans ....they also say that margarito didn't have plaster
That's a generalization and I do not condone your passive aggressive tort against Mexicans and as a Mexican American I refuse to allow you to type away such insidious comments. I command you to take 10 hrs. of Boxing Scene Sensitivity training and pay the max Boxing Scene fee of $2,000,000 (a la Sterling).
Since my question got blatantly ignored in another thread, I decided to ask it on a wider scale. Please fill me in, I'm not being a smart ass. Honestly.
IT's my understanding Haymon, while serving his own needs, does compensate fighters hansomly. I think from a historical standpoint, many fighters were always victims of bad deals and being taken advantage of.
Plus his experience in promotional endevours outside of boxing gives him weight in the live entertainment industry.
That said, he's a respected public figure that brings exposure.
There is no case that Everlast can bring, defamation or "Slander" would have to come in the form of the person outright accusing the company (Everlast) making bad equipment without proof.
Maidana and camp, who's being accused of cheating, may have a case against Mayweather
Mayweather really needs to shut his mouth he saying they remove the padding I guess Everlast needs to step up and respond as far as I can tell Chino had nothing to do with the gloves.
Ah this is an intersting post. It's definitely been in my mind for a while since the first fight and the facts.
To be clear - what are the facts in the glove issue to date. (Too busy to research) weren't they approved by the Nevada Athletic Commission?
Garcia claims they were "Mayweather elected gloves" and they weren't tampered with? Is this correct?
If Nevada approved gloves' quality (i.e., no padding in gloves) is being questioned then I don't think it's an argument to be sued over in a civil case and it's just bad publicity in part of Everlast.
That being said, If Mayweather went out and said, "Everlast makes crappy gloves and everyone should stop buying/supporting them", without substantive proof, then that is defamation and Everlast may have case against Mayweather in a defamation suit.
What's more interesting is Maidana and his persona.
Is his persona being attacked considering the facts that (If true) Nevada DID approve use of those gloves (i.e., checked them prior to use). Mayweather has already made public statements likening Maidana (and camp) to Resto and Margarito (proven cheats of the sports), furthermore he's reportedly said that Maidana has been KOing cats with unpadded gloves. In that case, post-Nevada approval (publicy), Maidana is being slandered and defamed unless there is evidence that supports that the gloves were tampered with.
It's starting to sound like Pacquiao and the steriod allegation.
These are more thoughts if anything, but like to discuss.
Is it better then Floyds over Mosley??
About the same - There are many variables in the air with this and If I was ranking this, I'd have to take into account that this fight should've taken place 4-5 years prior to the bout.
Is it better then Cotto's over Mosley's?
No - but barely - Fresher pre-Margarito Cotto fought a more fresher version of an aging Mosley. I'll give him credit for that; that said he was impressive against an aging Martinez AT 160 when people were saying (including myself) Cotto was going to die in the ring (assuming Martinez knee was right).
Is it better then Tito's over Whitaker?
No. I thought The Viper would've beaten the puncher.
Was it better then Oscars over Chavez?
No - but one can make an argument that Oscar beat a veteran at that point.
In my opinion all htese are solid wins, but on this forum certain fights get discedited while others are praised... Ya'll discredit Calzaghes wins over Roy and Hopkins but praise Cottos over Martinez...Please explain and please no name calling of flaming
Never discredited Calzaghe's win, I thought he did what he needed to do to win the fight, that said, much like Martinez, Roy used his athletisism to get by in fights. Calz win over Hopkins is also credited because Hopkins can't handle younger boxer types (i.e., Dawson Loss).
You know, I don't have anyone else that can beat Floyd. The last guy I penned to beat him was Martinez (with a good knee). Clearly, he isn't the same mobile fighter as he used to be. I know this a Floyd thread but it would've been a prime Martinez that could've done it.
Cotto, IMO, had his chance - can he do it because Roach is in his corner? Maybe. It's boxing.
But I honestly think at this point in my mind, Floyd is unbeatable (until his age REALLY begins to show).
Didn't see a thread on this one question so I'm going to ask..
This is a "YES" or "No" question.
Did Lara run?
Was he moving and being offensive or running and being defensive.
I mean, I'm a huge boxing fan in the purest sense, but that match was a snooze fest. He didn't really engage much.