It don't matter because they're all old/shot now. Who cares if that list is from only 6 months before Pac started taking them on, they all suck now that Pac has/will fight them!
Neither Cotto nor Clottey were old and shot when Manny fought them.
I keep seeing people posting that Hatton was coming off a loss to Mayweather before the Manny fight. Hatton notched 2 wins inbetween Floyd and Manny. Hatton beat Lazcano in front of 55,000 fans. You could argue it was very dramatic since Hatton was significantly hurt twice in that fight. He also got a TKO over Malignaggi.
Sigh...Uselsess fights man but whatever. Explain after the 3rd fight with Morales, when he became Guzman mandatory why fight an unranked Solis instead of Guzman?
Guzman would have been more money than the no-name Solis, and would since being an undefeated title holder in his 3rd division would have been better for his legacy than an un-ranked Solis.
He could of had both but didn't...Why is that?
Solis was a replacement after the MAB fight fell through. They probably wanted someone easier so they could still settle with Golden Boy and get a rematch with MAB.
That's all fine and dandy. I don't give a pass to Floyd for choosing money fights over fighting the best fights and I don't give a pass for Pac either.
It is what it is.
I like one way more than the other but I treat both fighters the same.
The third fight was Morales was useless, the 2nd fight with Barrera was useless. He should had fought Guzman/Soto around this time.
They were useless in terms of providing close competitive boxing between two evenly matched fighters. They were very successful in making money though.
At that time they weren't ruling anything.
At 126, Barrera was. And, fighting Morales at 130 after JMM straight turned down a 750k payday(his highest at the time) to fight in Indonesia for 35k was not a bad fight. And, even though Morales lost to Raheem at 135, I had no problem with Pac fighting Morales the 2nd time. I understand wanting to avenge a loss.
However, the third fight with Morales was unnecessary, nobody was calling for it, the rematch with Barrera was unnecessary and nobody was calling for it, they weren't ruling anything. And, really neither EVER ruled the 130 division.
The third fight with Morales and the 2nd fight with Barrera were just useless fights.
They aren't useless if your goal is to make money. MAB and Morales had the drawing power for big PPVs.
So you're saying Guzman was too risky so was avoided for an easier fight in Solis?
Possibly. None of us were part of Manny's camp so we wouldn't know why Solis was chosen. Most boxers and their management teams aren't actually looking for the hardest fight possible every fight.
But, Manny fights for legacy, not money. Doesn't he?
He is the same as every fighter, a little of both.
Manny wasn't rich at this point by any means. The fight with Morales was his first million dollar payday. He was just really trying to use MAB and Morales drawing power as a springboard for his own stand alone PPV career.
Oh well there we go again acting like Floyd fans.
I hope Pac pays you well, since you must be part of the team to care about how much money they make, not about making the best fights possible.
You are reading something into my post that was not there. I want to see the best fights because I am a boxing fan. However, reality is the people making the fights happen are doing so because it is their job and they want to make as much as possible. Sometimes the biggest money maker is the best fight. Sometimes it isn't. That is just part of boxing.
Like most here said, it is a fighter that only has 1 approach to fighting and fights every opponent the same. For example, Maidana is 1 dimensional. He lines you up and throws power punches. There is some real skill to doing that and competing at the level he is at- it takes heart, will, and seriously good timing. However, if this gameplan doesn't work, Maidana has no plan B. Where as a fighter like Sergio Martinez can actually present very different looks based on his opponents. Against a come forward volume puncher, he became a counter-puncher. Against a technical defensive boxer, he used his slickness, footwork, and jab to control his opponent.
JMM is going to get beaten at welterweight. However, this is the fight he wants. Manny has been fighting at 147 for awhile now. JMM is the one screaming for the rematch. He needs to come up to where Manny is at- that is just the reality of the situation. IMO, JMM just wants to make some money before his career ends. He had no qualms about moving up 2 weightclasses to fight Floyd either.
Except this is a guaranteed action fight, not some jab and run don't wanna break my finger nail boring split decision exhibition. No one watching will be let down, that's a guarantee.
Also guaranteed is that this fight does well over 1 mil buys, making Pacquiao the first fighter ever to have 4 consecutive years of at least that many.
And the wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'.
100% agree. When has Pac ever had a big fight that let down the viewing audience? He has been in some lopsided fights, but they were fun to watch.
the wheels are gonna fall off the alvarez bandwagon as soon as he fights someone with a pulse
How many 20 year olds are able to compete at the highest level in any sport? Sure Canelo hasn't faced off with any upper tier guys, but it is no different than a pitcher being brought up through the minor league system or a football player playing college ball.
Why not?
They've been feeding a lot of Ameri-bums to European boxers for years.
Vitali: Arreola, Johnson, Briggs
Wlad: Byrd, Brock, Austin, Brewster, Thompson, Rahman, Chambers, etc
Huck: Minto, Richards, Godfrey
Adamek: Cunningham, Banks, Gunn, Maddalone, Estrada, Arreola, Grant
Price: Butler
Calzaghe: Hopkins, Jones, Manfredo, Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika
Hopkins and Roy Jones were bums? Come on
(Co meaning his team & GBP)
And am getting of sick it. And can we stop saying he is allowed to get away with it because he is 20. Big deal, Wilfredo Benitez was 17 and was fighting ALL TIME GREAT Antonio Cervantes.
He's WBC Champion, and when you have a title like this you have to fight top fighters.
He won the belt from a Welterweight who'd beeen beat by journyman and wasn't even a top 10 at Welterweight, but yet was fighting for the WBC 154lb title.
Ryan Rhodes was 34, and again has suffered previous defeats in WBU title fights and already been beat by Lee Blundell. He also come to survive.
Baldomir & N'dou were beyond shot and nearing 40.
Now Alvarez looks like he is gonna fighter the beyond shot Mayorga who hasn't beat a top contender in over 5 years or the undersized Welterweight Alfonso Gomez.
And this trend of fighting undersized fighters or fighters washed up in there 30's continue.
Alvarez should be fighting prime natural Jr Middleweights who are in there prime and aint in there late 30's and undersized. Like.....
-Vanes Martirosyan (WBC #1 Contender) 25 years old
-Pawel Wolak
-Austin Trout
-Erislandy Lara
-Alfredo Angullo
I find it very interesting that these fighters are in there prime and in there 20's and yet can't seem to get fights with Alvarez.....
Utter Bull ****!
How come you aren't harping on Vanes, Pawel, Trout, Lara, or Angulo for not fighting each other? They haven't exactly been in there with any real top tier guys either.
Not to mention Cotto would have been the one fighting DLH and not Pacquiao. Then you look at the guys PAC beat after that and it's guys that Cotto already beat or should have beat.
Either way he got his ass kicked and even if he was p4p king for a day, I don't think it would have lasted long. People would have been pushing for a Mosley rematch and that's a fight I don't see Cotto winning 5/5 times. I also don't see Cotto beating Mayweather even when Cotto was in his prime.
He's had a decent career with lots of paydays, so it didn't turn out too bad in the end.
Totally agree it wouldn't have lasted long. However, him beating Margarito would have significantly changed boxing history. Who knows how things play out. I don't see him as ever being as good as Manny or Floyd, but he would have been the p4p torchbearer for a year.
that's a stretch
Not that much of a stretch. In 2008, if he had beaten Margarito, he would have had wins over Margarito,Mosley, Judah, Quintana, and Malignaggi. Manny hadn't even fought Oscar yet and was coming off a controversial decision over JMM. Floyd was retired. Roy Jones had already lost 3 times.
I think if Cotto convincingly beat Margarito, he and Joe Calzaghe would have been the 2 guys in contention for the best p4p in the world.
hbo are paying him shlt.Yet they pay berto,alexander,bradley millions for
there poor tv ratings.Wtf is going on?
That will obviously change next year. Can you imagine the heat HBO would have gotten if they had made big money deals with Canelo and Chavez Jr instead of Bradley and Alexander?
Maybe not. Pac definitely did not sell on Showtime. If you believe that lie that Bob Arum fed people about the Pac/Mosley fight selling 1.3 million PPVs, I have a big white house on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. that I am willing to sell you dirt cheap. That fight did not even break the 1 million mark and probably sold less than Pac/Clottey. It is obvious that the media bought that lie. In this story, Rafael reported this number as a fact instead of Arum's claim.
Can you give us a link to support this?
Canelo... maybe JCC jr...
if Ortiz upsets Mayweather .... maybe Ortiz
You think Canelo and JCC Jr's lack of English will prevent them from really crossing over? It was good to see Canelo speaking a little English in his last post fight interview.
Beating Floyd or Manny seems like the quickest route to stardom. Ortiz has a helluva an opportunity on his hands.
I feel like Ortiz would've beaten Maidana if he hadn't quit, or if he would have just stuck to his game plan instead of getting into a street fight.
Absolutely, he got sloppy. He went into that fight with the mindset: "I am going to win because I am better than him". When you are an untested young fighter, that mindset will be the end of you. When he fought Berto, he had the mindset of "I'm going to win because I worked harder, want it more, and won't ever stop coming for it."
I like Mattyhsse, but he is a 2nd tier fighter in JWW.
Tier 1 is Bradley, Khan and Maidana.
Tier 2 is Judah, Mattyhsse, Kotelnik, and Alexander.
Robert Guerrero has the goods to be in that top tier, but I can't rank him without him having fought at JWW yet.
This fight makes more sense in a year from in December 2012. Good fight for Paul on his way out as he could get a nice pay day because Canelo is such a big draw. If Alvarez gets 2-3 more legit opponents under his belt, he may have caught up enough with a potentially declining Williams to make it a tough fight.
A lot obviously would depend on them winning all their fights. Right now, I just don't see Canelo's people wanting to put him in with such a tough fighter. Williams is a tough fight for a young guy: experience against top tier fighters, a chin, high work rate, southpaw, tall and long, a warrior's mentality. He has just been in so many tough fights and in every possible situation.
I wonder how much rust Williams has. In 18 months he has fought <6 rounds.How much an impact will that have on his game?
Lol their budget is tapped, yet they owe Dzinziruk a fight before the end of the year.
Yeah, the price for Dzinziruk isn't even close to enough to cove Hopkins. If they can put together a really strong undercard, it could PPV worthy.
Soto- Katisidis or a Soto-Antillion rematch. Vanes Martirosyan-Wolak. Put something there to spice it up.