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I had it 116-112 Lewis, though I could see 115-113. No way Holy won that fight though. And the first one was 118-110 Lewis by my count...

That's cool and sad at the same time. The former HW champ washing your trucks. Hey, didn't you say you were going to a party with him soon? He and you are going to be best buddies now! For whatever that's worth.

Nigel Benn and Gerald McClellan 2/25/95 at the New London Arena in London England....my trainer Bill Miller was there and said it was the most brutal fight he has ever seen in 60 years in boxing. Said both fighters were never the same again. That was a war, but I don't think you can say it was a classic beatdown. Just like Ali-Frazier III, or Gatti-Ward, etc.

...Although one wonders where these "better warriors" are...

Lewis get a lot of bunches from vitaly in early round's, who is much lighter hitter than wladimir........I don't think Vitali is a much lighter hitter than Wlad. His hands are slower, and his style less fluid, but he laid out Kirk Johnson and Danny Williams with some very heavy handed shots. The key to getting Wlad is very simple - you have to land a clean shot to his chin, which is much easier said than done. You have to wait til he's fatigued (e.g. Brewster) or you have to be tall and good (e.g. Sanders). Lennox is the latter in spades (especially in his prime). I see this going the way of Lewis-Golota (or Sanders-WKlitschko) - i.e. it ends early and suddenly. Lewis KO2.

IF there was a knock on Wlad it was his stamina and chin and I believe he answered those questions well enough in the Peter and Brock fights. Stamina, maybe - but the questions about his chin still remain. Peter had him down 3 times with glancing shots to the back of his head. Brock never landed anything of significance. I still think a solid shot to the chin puts Wlad down hard. The real question is whether anyone can do it.

I would put Evander before Toney. ??? After Toney pounded him like a cheap piano???

Funny that historically the first line of offense often consisted of undesirables sent off to be sacrificed to reserve the better warriors behind them.:lol1: And so history repeats itself....

I can name one, he and he was beaten by Sergei already. Well hell if we're talking about Briggs, even Rahman is better. Toney can beat some of the guys out there, but Wlad would eat him up and I think he would be ineffective vs. Valuev. He'd beat Maskaev though. If Briggs, Brewster, Rahman and Toney are the best the US has to offer, then the "line of offense" just became the "line of tomato cans"...

I really don't/can't see Briggs winning this one. Shannon Briggs is yet another sad case of wasted potential in boxing's big boy division. He was hyped beyond belief when he turned pro, thanks to his boxing connections. So much was made of him being another Brownsville product, which was a blatant attempt to compare him to Mike Tyson and Riddick Bowe. Then, he stepped up and had the spotlight on HBO against Darrol Wilson, who was 15-0 at the time; a match up of two young undefeateds, with favoritism leaning heavily in favor of the over-hyped Briggs. He quit. Let's make no bones about it, he quit. His moment in the sun came, his time to shine, and he quit. Asthma my ass-ma. Tony Atlas, in response to his performance, quit him. Enter, stage two: rebuilding a reputation. Four wins over so-so competition, rebuilding his confidence, I suppose. George Foreman, who had a contract with HBO, was given a choice of opponenents, and chose Shannon. Why? Because George is no dummy, knew his limitations, and picked the opponent who posed the least amount of a threat to defeat him. Lo and Behold if the judges didn't give, and I do mean "give", the decision to Briggs at the end of a fight that Foreman had clearly won. Why? Possibly it was Briggs's connections. Possibly it was the boxing establishment wanting George to ride off into the sunset and allow new blood to have the spotlight. Or, possibly it was lack of eyesight or poor judgement. Who knows? The fact is Shannon ran from George all night, and only punched in defense, for the most part, until the final couple of rounds, when he seemed to be reasonably confident that George wasn't going to knock him out. Enter Lennox Lewis. Did Shannon really have Lewis almost ready to go. NO. He rocked him. He knocked him off balance, or he caught him off balance. It really doesn't matter because I've watched that fight I don't know how many times and no matter how exciting it was at moments, Shannon Briggs was never really close to winning that fight. It is a myth that has been blown out of proportion in the years since. Lennox Lewis kicked his ass, that's it. Now, kudos to Briggs for gettin up time and again...he showed heart; but he still got his ass kicked. After Lewis, Briggs drew with Francois Botha, dropped an 8-Round Decision to the 9-9 Sedrick Fields, and lost a wide-margin 10 Rounder to Jameel McCline. There were other fights to be sure; but over whom? No one. Everytime Briggs has fought a fighter who wanted it more, he's lost. Shannon Briggs does not have what it takes to win the big one, he just doesn't. He's missing that certain indefineable quality that champions have. In addition to his lack of stomach, Briggs has stamina issues, and he's getting old. He had his moment, his chance, and he let it pass as if it meant nothing....he did not rise up and cease the day; and it's too late now. Shannon Briggs is not only going to lose this fight, he's going to be beaten up. There will be some spirited give and take in the early going; but Shannon will eventualy decrease his activity, while Sergei will not. Will he be stopped? Depends. Liakhovich is not a massive puncher, so a stoppage will either be in the later rounds due to fatigue or retirement. Then, finally, maybe this myth of Shannon Briggs will be laid to rest. Liakhovich by 8th rond TKO. HA! I don't totally agree with your post, but it was very well done! Good job!!

If Briggs was fighting Wlad, I'd actually give him a shot, but since he's fighting a guy with both skills and a chin, I give him about a 5% chance of pulling off a miracle. Liakhovich TKO7.

I remember shortly after the Ali fight, Berbick came back to Canada to fight for the Canadian/Commonwealth championship. He was fighting some guy named Racette in his (Racette's) hometown of Nanaimo, BC, and was the underdog. Everyone in Nanaimo was hoping Racette would be the great white hope, and thought he had the faster hands and better movement and skills to beat Berbick. How wrong they were. Berbick was seek and destroy that night - just walked Racette down and gave him the beating of his life. Very impressive and a coronation of sorts for Trevor. That's how I prefer to remember him - as a conqueror that night. RIP Trevor.

The Marquez uppercut he landed to end that fight was a vicious shot. Ruiz was out the second that shot grazed his chin. Lewis' KO of Michael Grant was another violent shot. He used the same trick he employed to dispose of Francois Botha a year earlier, holding his man behind the head and then driving the uppercut into his chin, removing the opponent's ability to recoil as to magnify it's impact. It's a dirty, dirty move, but brilliant.:confused: Lewis KO'd Botha with a three punch combo that knocked Frans right out of the ring - and none of the punches was an uppercut... ...maybe you're thinking of a different fight?

how did everyone score this fight?? after just watching it i scored it 116-114 for tua, some rounds were pretty close though. Ditto, but it could easily have swung to 116-114 Ike. Just a great, great fight. I don't know that Ike could ever have done much with Lewis (little too limited in the skill department), but it would've been great to see him try.

I've just realized that I've never encountered a female fighter who was punch drunk or even exhibiting symptoms of the onset of the syndrome. Is it because women's boxing as a widespread sport is a recent phenomenon and they aren't old enough to suffer from it yet? Have I just not met enough female fighters? What do you guys think? Actually, I've heard the exact opposite - that women, because of their smaller skulls and less fluid surrounding the brain, are far more likely to be seriously concussed and/or suffer permanent damage from boxing. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do recall that one of Sumya Anani's first fights involved her KOing a 50 pound heavier woman and giving her permanent brain damage...

And Stewards has to show Wlad how to fight on the inside, and Wlad has gone away from throw a hood off the jab, that used to be one of his effective weapons he used to use. Wlad is the top dog for now.Brock actually countered him a couple times (with rights to the body) when Wlad tried to double up his left with a hook after the jab. So he stopped doing it as much. In the end he didn't need it anyhow...

The guy was completely coked out - he didn't feel any of Lewis' shots, he wasn't even in his head. He always had a great chin, but the coke made him invincible. Trouble was it made him unable to fight too.

somewhat but thats impossible becuase wlad should be fighting left handed to fight exactly like lewis ?? Anyhow, I think the similarities are striking. I'd say that Wlad has at least equal if not better handspeed than Lewis, and his overall athleticism is excellent, just like LL. Pole-axe jab, and big right hand - the packages look a lot the same. BUT... ...Wlad still has quite a ways to go. His infighting skills are still suspect - while he clinches ok now, he doesn't dominate/manhandle guys the way Lewis did. This plus no uppercut means he has to fight at a distance, and rely on his jab to wear guys down. His balance/footwork is not as good as Lewis, and he can be caught wrongfooted or at the wrong distance although he's quick enough to correct it usually. And finally that chin of his is a big problem. Lewis didn't have a great chin, but he could absorb some heavy stuff without a lot of drama. Wlad gets a glancing blow on the back of his head and he's down. Frankly, I don't think you can train your chin to be any better, but on the other hand, Wlad's jab is so good, and his competition so bad, that he may never need a better chin...

Hey - I know no one outside of Canada or Hartlepool, England (wherever that is) cares, but someone humor us. Stevie is actually a real world class boxer and could be force at super bantam/lightweight for many years to come. He has tons of skills and natural ability. I don't know much about Hunter, but after watching Molitor dissect his last 5 opponents, he better be prepared to take 5 to get in his 1. Either that or he better hope the hometown judges are being paid real well.

Hunter is a superbly conditioned fighter with a lot of heart, decent power and great workrate. However, if Molitor is as good as Canadians think he is, then he should get the win, maybe with ease. Can't write off Hunter though, he is a guy who has tremendous will, he looks like an inbred however. Hartlepool is in the north east of England, not exactly traditional boxing heartland. Its about as dismal as you can get without crossing the borser into Scotland.............. Thanks for the info Beowulf! If Hunter can swarm Molitor, it may be enough to throw him off his game - in all the fights I've seen from Molitor so far, I can say he has very quick hands/feet and is good moving forward, but even better if he's allowed to counter. He has enough sting in his punches that usually by the 3rd round or so his opponents are afraid to get off lest they get countered. After that he just picks them apart. I've never seen him really pressured for an entire fight though, so if Hunter can do that, it could be a good one.

How good is Evander’s stamina? Fres hasn’t got the best and usual fights like a tomato during the later rounds. We’ll be guaranteed dirty tactics by way of Holy holding and pulling Fres’ head down, couple of headbutts to boot to. So in a nutshell, Holy will try and wear down Fres and go for a late KO. Will it work? Who knows. Exactly - that's what Holyfield's gameplan has to be - get close to Fres, tie him up, bully him, butt him every chance you can and throw low blows and rabbit punches like... ...well, like Evander Holyfield. I think he actually has a decent chance if he does what just seems to come naturally to him. Forget that boxing crap - Holy can't beat Fres at that.

Molitor won by KO in the 5th round after knocking Hunter down in the 4th, heavily. Molitor looks very classy. Hunter looked very limited. Molitor could go on to great things. I missed the fight, but from what I heard it went according to plan (at least Molitor's). Good job Stevie!! Canada finally has another world title!! :) Here's to what's hopefully a long reign at the top! :FlagCanad

Thomas Hauser just wrote a big story for a BOXING website... about George Bush..... about politics, etc....Hauser, I thought he knew better...this article SHOULDNT be on that site!!! Under his thinking that means a boxing writer, if he feels like it, can flood cyberspace with articles on religion, politics and race or any other subject along those lines anytime he feels like it? NO. I think it is almost comical when people get so into politics (or race or religion) because these types of subjects turn them almost like followers of a cult or something. All that matters on these subjects is their opinion and they will cross any lines to get it out there. Well - I suppose if the boxing site paid him to do a political article, then it's ok. If not, then I agree - what's he trying to prove? Either way though (and without having read the thing), hopefully all of us have the brains/objectivity to judge the article for what it is - political commentary from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about...

McCline, OWEN BECK get title shots.Actually, that is something I would love to see - Toney getting a title shot against Valuev. That would be hilarious! :lol1:

"He's the best of us all," Chris Eubank said when walking back to the locker room after fighting Calzaghe "No I don't feel sorry for him - he's world champion, he's undefeated, he's fought everyone, he's anihilated everyone, what have I got to feel sorry for him for?" - Nigel Benn, 2006 "If you criticize Calzaghe you need your head tested." - Roy Jones, 2006 "He's fought good people, and you'd have to be crazy to suggest otherwise." - Roy Jones, 2006 "I don't understand how people say 'Oh he doesn't do this, he doesn't do that'. He already proved himself against Charles Brewer and the kid from Alabama." - Roy Jones, 2006:lol1: You are so full of it. But it's predictable... ...every month or so you go away and make up some quotes about some Brit that you wish someone would say, and then post your crap like we should salute it or something. Well, at least it's good for a laugh. :lol1: Three-weight world champion Duke McKenzie rates Calzaghe as the best British fighter of his lifetime. http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,996634,00.htmlOne thing you might want to do though is proofread your shite before posting it. After all, the article you posted has Duke McKenzie saying this about Calzaghe: "But both Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank would have beaten him in their prime, and the Benn who beat Gerald McClellan would have been best of all." That sort of contradicts your little fantasy factoid "Duke McKenzie rates Calzaghe as the best British fighter of his lifetime", doncha think? :lol1: :owned:

So who the fuck did Duran scrap and beat who was credible? Fucking no-one redneck. I wonder if anyone else sees the irony in this post... Anyhow, Duran's early career had numerous wins against world class opponents (i.e. former or future world title holders). The fact that you don't know who they are actually says a lot more about your ignorance than his career/legacy. DeJesus, Buchanan, Ray Lampkin, Saoul Mamby, Kobayashi and Ishimatsu, Marcel, Thompson, Palomino, Monroe Brooks, Villa - all of them fought for or held world titles at one time. And Duran beat all of them - and this was way before his second career at welter with SRL (not to mention his third career at middleweight). Duran is an all-time great, period. Get back to your trailer park, Wiggers.

It's actually a little more serious than what you might think. There have been numerous anti-doping cases that have been initiated apparently from medication found in asthma inhalers. Not sure what the boxing commissions' rules are on these things, but it's true that some of the steroid formulations found in anti-asthma drugs could cause a positive drug test result. But I really don't know what Briggs' situation is. If you ask me, I think it's just a copout myself...

Holy, Ibeabuchi. Probably Roy pre-Ruiz fight. Vargas. Toney.

Terry Norris was such a great boxer... ...shame about that chin though... :(

The difference is I don't mindlessly spit out ducking accusations when clearly Calzaghe isn't ducking Kessler, Kessler isn't a must-have fight for Calzaghe.. Taylor and Hopkins are much bigger fights.There's no such thing as a "must-have" fight for anybody. It's all about risk-reward - everyone knows this, especially Joe and Frank Warren. The rewards ($) for both Taylor and Hopkins fights are obviously large, so it's clear why Joe would want a piece of that. The risk in a Manfredo fight is minimal, so it's clear why Joe would want that. On the other hand, the risk in a Kessler fight is very high, and the reward is not. You can spin it any way you want (i.e. "he's ducking Kessler", "no, he's waiting until Kessler has name recognition", etc.) but in the end, it's just not a good business decision for Joe to fight Kessler right now, end of story. Sorry fight fans, but boxing is a business.