Kessler fans

Times Calzaghe has gone into an arena in a different country against a local favourite and beat them up? Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Veit off the top of my head. I'm sure there's been more.

However, Kessler is the best at 168 outside of Joe and has proven it by beating Lucas, Mundine, etc. Mundine is a 'particularly' good fighter and anyone can see that by watching his fights. Yes,and Kessler came over to Australia to fight Mundine and Mundine was not a mandatory to Kessler`s WBA-title that time.He left his home country and won a dominant points decision on foreign soil against a quality opponent, when he didnt have to Thats why most of Aussies respect Kessler.A thing Calzaghe never has done and never will

Hey Calzaghe fans - be honest!! - Do you wan't to see Calzaghe fighting a contender? Sure it's a money thing, but you don't really look forward to it, unless you are one great calzaghe nuthugger. I'm not gonna say anything about ducking.. But Calzaghe has been quite happy being "world-famous" in the UK for many years. He's had the tittle for 10 years, that could have been used as a ticket to the US, if he wanted the fame.. I'm just dissapointed he makes the move now, when a really big european match could be made.. And i ask why.. Was Bika a tuneup for Manfredo? It's not the end of the world for Kessler, he can do without Calzaghe. Kessler is young, and is allready getting deals underway to sell him in the US. Kessler has made new fans in the country's of his opponents, and the tv-deals now include Canada and Australia. When you compare the records of Kessler and Calzaghe.. Don't forget how many years Calzaghe has been a champ. His recordlist should have all fighters worth mentioning over the past ten years..

The difference is I don't mindlessly spit out ducking accusations when clearly Calzaghe isn't ducking Kessler, Kessler isn't a must-have fight for Calzaghe.. Taylor and Hopkins are much bigger fights.There's no such thing as a "must-have" fight for anybody. It's all about risk-reward - everyone knows this, especially Joe and Frank Warren. The rewards ($) for both Taylor and Hopkins fights are obviously large, so it's clear why Joe would want a piece of that. The risk in a Manfredo fight is minimal, so it's clear why Joe would want that. On the other hand, the risk in a Kessler fight is very high, and the reward is not. You can spin it any way you want (i.e. "he's ducking Kessler", "no, he's waiting until Kessler has name recognition", etc.) but in the end, it's just not a good business decision for Joe to fight Kessler right now, end of story. Sorry fight fans, but boxing is a business.

This is all correct, but in the grand scheme of things, taking a tuneup against peter manfredo is far more detrimental than fighting kessler, i dont give a fuck about popular peter is supposed to be here, The kessler fight is just a better fight, and hes got a couple of belts. this wouldnt be a problem if he was going to fight taylor NOW or hopkins NOW, but hes going against Manfredo and this just do anything for him. And yoru right, i forgot he was ring champ, i guess it would be the first unification at 168, my bad I agree with you. Shame HBO don't.

Answer me this. Antonio Margarito wanted to fight Floyd, still does, but Floyds knows and so do most non-mexican fans that Margarito has done nothing to prove he deserves a shot at Floyd. Now, belts aside, what the fuck has Kessler done that makes him a must-have opponent for Calzaghe? Don't get me wrong, I want to see the fight, and probably will after Calzaghe gets his fight in the U.S assuming he wins, but who the hell has Kessler beat for Joe to 'duck him', Kessler has just beat an over the hill, PREVIOUSLY exposed fighter in Marcus Beyer, he beat an old man in Eric Lucas and a hyped up rugby player in Mundine, now tell me.. are wins against these three opponents something to be scared of? Because fucking hell, I know Calzaghe's resume isn't the best to date, he's no Roy Jones Jr. but it's a milestone ahead of Kesslers.. and if you disagree with me, fuck yourself, because you're either a nuthugging Dane or a hater. Over their entire careers so far - I do agree that Calzaghe still has the upper hand. Hardly surpricing since Kessler has only stepped up to the top of the division for his latest 5 fights or so, whereas Calzaghe has now spend 9 years as a champ. But if you look at their recent opposition (say 5 fights) Kessler is ahead of Joe with a fair margin. Frankly i think recent fights are more relevant trying to determine who is better right now. Add to that Kessler has looked far more impressive over those 5 recent fights than Calzaghe has - despite the very good performance against Lacy. So call me a nuthugging Dane or hater all you want. I'm certainly danish, I'm also a Kessler fan and I'm sufficiently annoyed with Calzaghe that I can see why you view me as a hater. On the other hand it amazes me that you can't see how you and a number of (other) british Calzaghe fans are not the least bit better, just from the opposite perspective.

Joe already is the ring champion at 168, this would do nothing for him except get recognition (they'll probably find another fighter to say Joe's ducking anyhow) from the haters, and he could tell his grandkids that he was unified champion at 168, which Ring magazine already has him as that anyway. Joe Calzaghe/Jermain Taylor is a much bigger fight, who gives a fuck about the belts? Winky Wright, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao have all proved that belts mean fuck all for your career, all 3 of them are in the top 3 P4P and when Floyd decides to drop his WW belts neither of them will have a championship belt around their waist. This is all correct, but in the grand scheme of things, taking a tuneup against peter manfredo is far more detrimental than fighting kessler, i dont give a fuck about popular peter is supposed to be here, The kessler fight is just a better fight, and hes got a couple of belts. this wouldnt be a problem if he was going to fight taylor NOW or hopkins NOW, but hes going against Manfredo and this just do anything for him. And yoru right, i forgot he was ring champ, i guess it would be the first unification at 168, my bad

Calzaghe is already the Ring Champion at 168. Calzaghe is a coulda/woulda/shoulda but didn't fighter. Greatest 168 pounder ever my ass. The guy wasted his prime in meaningless fights

Because Kessler fighting Joe C would be the first Ring championship at 168, Margarito fighting Floyd offered no such unification. I garuntee you floyd would not turn down a chance to become linear champion at any point in his career and his 3 times hes won it has shown that, with the exception of a failed materialization between hatton/mayweather in 2005. Which ive already proven to you isnt his fault anyway. Calzaghe is already the Ring Champion at 168.

Answer me this. Antonio Margarito wanted to fight Floyd, still does, but Floyds knows and so do most non-mexican fans that Margarito has done nothing to prove he deserves a shot at Floyd. Now, belts aside, what the fuck has Kessler done that makes him a must-have opponent for Calzaghe? Don't get me wrong, I want to see the fight, and probably will after Calzaghe gets his fight in the U.S assuming he wins, but who the hell has Kessler beat for Joe to 'duck him', Kessler has just beat an over the hill, PREVIOUSLY exposed fighter in Marcus Beyer, he beat an old man in Eric Lucas and a hyped up rugby player in Mundine, now tell me.. are wins against these three opponents something to be scared of? Because fucking hell, I know Calzaghe's resume isn't the best to date, he's no Roy Jones Jr. but it's a milestone ahead of Kesslers.. and if you disagree with me, fuck yourself, because you're either a nuthugging Dane or a hater. Because Kessler fighting Joe C would be the first Ring championship at 168, Margarito fighting Floyd offered no such unification. I garuntee you floyd would not turn down a chance to become linear champion at any point in his career and his 3 times hes won it has shown that, with the exception of a failed materialization between hatton/mayweather in 2005. Which ive already proven to you isnt his fault anyway.

But Warren WON'T make an offer for a fight in the UK. Then it doesn't matter feck all if you claim the UK to be the greatest boxing nation in the history of the sport or whether it is a 1000 or a million times bigger than Denmark. In one of only two fights outside the UK in his entire pro-career, Calzaghe was quite willing to go to Denmark a few years ago to fight a no name (McIntyre). But he sure as hell won't go there to fight Kessler. And then his fans commes around with arguments like "the UK is a bigger country than Denmark" - Oh wow!!! I'm so impressed. - You've really been paying attention in geography - good boy. You are so much less ignorant than the other guy (prime example of the british) who thinks anything across the channel is Germany or german speaking territory. - But it still matters feck all. Warren still WON'T make an offer for a fight in the UK. Otherwise he bloody well SHOULD be able to come up with a better deal - the UK being soooooo great and all - than what can be made in Denmark (despite Kessler's offer being for the biggest purse in Calzaghe's career 'till now). this argument is actually fairly legit in terms of saying that trying to get the fight in Denmark is somehow a plea for joe not to fight him when Hatton had Tszyu, the fuckin proven champ, come to the UK. Bigger boxing culture or not, that should just not happen. The UK isnt exactly Vegas in a sense that the undisputed champion should fly over to the challangers hometown and take a beating.

Joe should be fighting Kessler - I'm pretty sure they could sell Taylor vs the undisputed 168 fighter with 20 title defences if he beat Kessler Calzaghe is taking the smart move and making the smart money - but as a fan I don't want any of this manfredo b***sh*t, I want him to fight Kessler and put on a great show. I've a feeling its more Warren's machinations than Joe's, but the result is still ANOTHER sh*tty defence

Joe wants to fight Jermain Taylor, that has to be a bigger fight than a fight with Kessler. do you mean financially or allround? genuine question btw.

i dont get why this is n e ways a matter of race. i just think that when uve got two undefeated guys holding two belts each in the same weight division and one is keen for it the other guy had better have a best excuse for not taking the fight. i am by no means a kessler fan but i have alot more respect for him than i do for joe. i probably wouldnt even have such a problem with it but for the fact that joe seems to think its incredibly audacious of kessler to even think he should get a shot. meh. Joe wants to fight Jermain Taylor, that has to be a bigger fight than a fight with Kessler.

i dont get why this is n e ways a matter of race. i just think that when uve got two undefeated guys holding two belts each in the same weight division and one is keen for it the other guy had better have a best excuse for not taking the fight. i am by no means a kessler fan but i have alot more respect for him than i do for joe. i probably wouldnt even have such a problem with it but for the fact that joe seems to think its incredibly audacious of kessler to even think he should get a shot. meh.

British fighters are bunch of pussies......they only fight at home...:D Me spleak Engrish good.

Sounds a bit hollow when you compare it with what he has to say about his ultimate goals on his very own website: http://www.joecalzaghe.com/history.asp "Joe’s ultimate goal is to unify all the Super Middle Weight titles and become a 2 weight world champion, only time will tell if he achieves his goals" Well - Joe, a shot at your "ultimate goal" was right there in front of you, but you didn't want it. What a load of crap. So now that life-long goal is no longer his goal :nono: :lame: How can anybody support this fool :pat: Ultimate goal as in being the last or concluding element of a series; "the ultimate sonata of that opus"?? Manfredo>taylor>kesseler? Lets see what happens after the manfredo fight? He might not get a talyor fight yet. Ether way he should fight kessler at some point befor he retries, maybe kessler should fight someone notable in the mean time. Froch or lacy would be entertaining fights.

I'm getting tired of these shit talking Danes. Ok so Kessler is there best fighter in just about ever, but that might not be saying much. Well, quite. I can quite understand their excitement/frustration though. They've never produced a fighter of note and now they finally have one who has managed to snag a couple of belts. Proper ones as well. OK, he hasn't fought anyone of note but that's by the by for now. Unfortunately for him the only fighter in his division worth a damn is Calzaghe. And like it or not he has bigger fish to fry. Yes, Taylor is a much bigger fish. Yes, Hopkins (oh please it be true) is a much bigger fish. Sadly, and you have no idea how much I hate saying this, Peter effin Manfredo is a bigger fish in terms of revenue, fame and getting to the aforementioned big fishes. If I were Kessler I'd go after the likes of Froch and Bute - two names that will get recognition in North America and the UK. Leave the ********* alone. That's his best route to some big fights.

I'm getting tired of these shit talking Danes. Ok so Kessler is there best fighter in just about ever, but that might not be saying much.

"I understand and sympathise with your frustration that Mikkel Kessler will not be given the opportunity to box a true champion but Kessler has little to offer in contrast to the American greats. Kessler hasn’t boxed anyone of particularly good stature, is practically unknown in the United States of America and has a small following of fans. It is Joe Calzaghe’s objective to win over his American audience and defeat globally recognised boxers like Manfredo, Taylor and Hopkins. Once Joe Calzaghe has achieved these objectives he will then consider taking Kessler’s supermiddle weight titles. With a monolithic following of Americans and Britons the Calzaghe v Kessler fight would then gain an audience of monumental proportions but until then Kessler will have to wait". Taken from joes website :D Sounds a bit hollow when you compare it with what he has to say about his ultimate goals on his very own website: http://www.joecalzaghe.com/history.asp "Joe’s ultimate goal is to unify all the Super Middle Weight titles and become a 2 weight world champion, only time will tell if he achieves his goals" Well - Joe, a shot at your "ultimate goal" was right there in front of you, but you didn't want it. What a load of crap. So now that life-long goal is no longer his goal :nono: :lame: How can anybody support this fool :pat: