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To me it has to be when Trinidad lost to Hopkins. Trinidad was a big favorite for that fight and after a 40-0 record he seemed unstoppable. I saw that one live and you were always expecting Trinidad to lay down the hammer but it never happened.

Emmanuel is so biased it's not even funny. How many times did steward say "those punches didn't really land" or when the replays only show Mayweather highlights. He was so pro Mayweather time for new analyst. I noticed this also. It seemed to me like Steward is a bit sour after the Cotto breakup. However, he gave props and said Cotto was the toughest opponent of Floyd's career. To me, Steward said a few contradicting statements throughout the fight.

:rofl: Cotto stan!! Sure, I guess you have amnesia and have forgotten other stuff I posted around the Cotto vs. Margarito II fight which you even agreed to, so yeah, I'm a Cotto stan, whatever. At least, I'm not a certified hater who jumps on any chance to criticize Cotto or his fans even if no one cares about it anymore. Battle on.

I haven't really criticized any till you came up with your bullshit score and this thread with his crybabies. What the hell do you care about my scorecard? Does it affect you personally? I score whatever I see and that's that. Am I saying Cotto won? Seriously, talk about a waste of time and energy.

Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez Greatest fighter to come from PR IMO. I would say that is undisputed. I don't think anyone will surpass Gómez. Trinidad is #2 on my list.

It makes me laugh at how people could get overly excited and score the fight a lot closer because of a fighter they love. Doesn't affect me personally one bit. Just find it funny. The way you sound is if I were to of say Margarito won 3-4 Rounds vs Cotto in the rematch. :lol1: Just not possible. The truth is you don't know me and, seems to me, you either think I'm another poster or have not paid attention to my posts in the past. Cotto is not even one of my favorite fighters of all time. Hell, Erik Morales, a Mexican, ranks much higher on my list than Cotto ever will. I admire Cotto as a fighter. Personally, I don't care about his life just like he does not care about mine since he does not even know I exist. Why would I have to "love" a fighter after all? This is boxing, which is a great sport to me and one that has given me moments of entertainment and sports satisfaction. It does not affect my life or the way I view it after a win or loss of a fighter. That's all.

lol damn, quoted me before the edit. But yeah, he's the greatest to come from the island. I would put Ortiz & Benitez over Tito, but Tito's top 5. I think Benítez was brilliant but a bit inconsistent. Trinidad was more dominant and had a great run but Benítez was a real prodigy and, arguably, the best technical boxer developed in Puerto Rico. I think Camacho is the most technical but he was developed in the USA.

I watched the fight three times and scored the last two. I saw it much closer than the majority but I still think Mayweather took a 115-113 win. To me, that's about as close as it could get.

Ridiculous he's not in the top 10. I always thought P4P was skills AND resume. He's done way more then Bradley and proven he's got alot left. This is just what i believe. I don't see why Cotto isn't in most lists, at least, around #9 or #10. It seems fair all things considered (resume, capabilities, style matchups with elite P4P fighters).

Bumping the thread to see if anyone remembers the fight.

i think it was art aragon and the fight was cotto-gomez? i think You were very close because the old timer was Aragon and the fight was Margarito vs. Cintrón II, the undercard for Cotto vs. Gómez. Thanks for reminding me of this card. Now I know which dvd to look for in my collection.

I would say Malignaggi after the Cotto fight because of the big swelling around the jaw.

To answer this you have to take several factors into consideration. I am not referring to anyone in particular, but I know there are many posters here who are in their early 20's, which means that they did not see Trinidad during his prime. I saw him in his prime and, to be honest, early on I was not his fan even though I'm from Puerto Rico. I became his fan on December 2, 2000, the night he and Vargas gave boxing fans one of the best fights you will ever see. If you witnessed Trinidad in his prime you thought he would never lose. Although his style was different, he had that aura of invincibility that Roy Jones had. To me, Trinidad's resume from 1999-2001 is better than the resumes of fighters who have been around for decades. With that being said, Márquez is also a great boxer, technically superior to Trinidad, and the fact that he has remained relevant in his 40's is commendable. Trinidad was the more dominant fighter of the two, so I choose him, but I understand those who pick Márquez because of accomplishments, not nationality.

I consider Mosley and DLH from a different "era". Sure, they faced Mayweather and Pacquiao but they were way past their prime. I would divide in two groups. I would put Trinidad (Hearns), DLH (Leonard), Mosley (Duran), and Hopkins (Hagler) in one. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, and maybe Martínez as the current one. Still, neither group is comparable to the 80's one. I also believed that Wilfred Benítez deserved to be included in that group.

It was Benitez in that list for a while, until Hearns, Leonard, and Duran fought Hagler. I know. What I mean is that he should still be in high regard now. To me, it should be the Fab Five. It's very similar to Ike Quartey's case. He is viewed as "borderline" great.

I think Cotto has a resume that is solid enough to result in a Canastota induction. His best wins are Mosley, Judah, and Margarito. The second group would include Quintana, Malignaggi, Foreman, and a past his prime Mayorga. Then there is the third group comprised of fighters that were not great but were good and some became champions after fighting Cotto. This group includes Maussa, Victoriano Sosa, Lovemore N'Dou, Randall Bailey, Abdullaev, and perhaps Urkal. All this goes against three losses, one avenged, and two losses to consensus top P4P fighters Pacquiao and Mayweather. All in all, a 4 time champion in 3 divisions, a big name, good PPV draw, and respected by his peers. When all is said and done, I think he will get in without much debate.

so when did cotto go back to the top 10 p4p? i dont think that's good enough. losing all your big fights should not be rewarded. I don't think losing to Mayweather and Pacquiqo but winning against a still competent Mosley, Judah, and Margarito in a rematch is losing all your big fights but to each his own. Some will agree, some will not.

so when did cotto go back to the top 10 p4p? i dont think that's good enough. losing all your big fights should not be rewarded. I don't think losing to Mayweather and Pacquiqo but winning against a still competent Mosley, Judah, and Margarito in a rematch is losing all your big fight but to each his won. Some will agree, some will not.

I could see DLH winning this one but he would play it safe. I think he could outpoint Cotto but I don't see a KO for either guy. I can see Oscar having a lot of success with his jab and that could be the main factor.

judah was 0-1-2 heading into the cotto fight and has not done nothing since the cotto fight. & you want to use the 2nd margarito fight for HOF credibility? i should have made this thread in the history section.... I have nothing more to add. Some will agree, some will not. Otherwise, there would be no debate. Anyway, no poster here will decide if Cotto, or any other fighter, gets in Canastota. Only time, and the official voters, will tell.

On a sidenote, I think it would still be interesting to see Morales vs. Marquez. I think Erik would rise to the occasion.

Maybe so, but I am referring to this fight. I think the kid did what he had to do. Time will tell but he needs to improve in order to have continuing success.

LOL, Morales did not have trouble with Cano. As for Garcia, he had surgery and how the hell are you suppose to get in shape after surgery? +1, Erik performed really well against Cano. A well conditioned Morales could still have a few good fights in him. Some are writing him off because of the weight trouble he had this time. I think he could still have one or two good fights before retirement.

Nah Morales needs to hang umm up,he finished his last fight on his feet,and gave a hell of a performance..IMO great way to go out... I don't mind if he retires on this fight. I think it was a decent showing, but I just think he could have a last hurrah. Maybe I'm giving too much credit though. After all, it's Erik Morales. I wish him the best whatever he does.

Didn't score the fight but would have had Corley at least 3 if not 4 rounds up at the stoppage. I actually enjoyed the fight for the simple fact I was waiting on the right hand of Corley eventually sparking Paul out as he was eating the southpaw jab and right hook all night long.... That's what I thought. I had it 6 to 3 for Corley. This was not a world class level fight but it was good for what it was. DeMarcus can still be a test for certain unproven fighters. Corley was ahead but I think he stoppage was kind of quick, so McCloskey will probably look for a rematch.

While JMM would be an absolute favorite, Malignaggi would be a very live underdog. JMM likes to counter and Malignaggi has a quick, albeit not too strong, jab that could mean some success if he initiates the attack. Besides that, Malignaggi is deceptively strong in the clinch and he could make the fight a bit rough. I think this could be interesting all things considered.

Good luck, Morales. I had a couple of Dos XX Ambar in your honor.

Yea I'm older than you and I understand you don't like negativity with one of your favorite boxers. No one really does. Well, if you are older than me, who will be 30 in a month, then I don't get why you criticize Cotto in every thread but that's your choice. That's just an observation. By the way, I respect Cotto and he's one of my favorite current boxers but he is not an all time favorite of mine yet.

Son Cotto is washed up. His mental state is GONE. Floyd was just a great style for him to fight, that's why Mayweather ducked him in his prime and waited for him to get his ass whooped twice. Cotto wouldn't go toe to toe like Morales does with credible 154 pounders with power. I mentioned him as an example. First off, don't call me son. I doubt you are even older than me. Anyway, you can have your opinion. I'm okay with that because I am not intolerant. I just wanted to see the argument and I don't agree still. It's okay though.

i will bet all my points on morales, any takers? terrible had so many little girls on this site crying about PEDs spending the whole day on here crying only to find out it came back negative and fight is on, fighting for title. in my opinion if you don't like Morales, or at the very least respect him as a true warrior then you aren't a fan of boxing. even friends of mine that hated him and loved barrera still deep down have mad respect for morales and they will admit this if you get them drunk and ask them lol I am betting on García because Morales is way past his prime, but I will always say that prime Morales is one of my favorites boxers ever. Hell, I even made a college essay about his career once.