David Haye was outweighed by 7 stone vs Nikola Valueu, and he fought a absolute peak version of Derek Chisora in 2012 and knocked him out inside 5 rounds while being outweighed by 37 pounds 'That is a decisive win. Oleksandr Uysk has never been that type of fighter. He has never shown that level of ability at top level'.
Haye fought a single actual top level opponent at HW, and that was Wladimir Klitschko, who quite frankly embarrassed him. Chisora, even at his "absolute peak", was a tough gatekeeper, but never held a single belt or achieved anything remarkable (who did he beat?). Valuev was huge but (contrary to Fury) very immobile, and never considered the HW king. I hope you are not comparing Chisora and Valuev to Joshua and Fury (the No. 1 and 2 in the division at the time), against both of which Usyk won a UD in one of their matches - and that without any home bonus, and despite being the clearly smaller man.
David Haye's cruiserweight reign also consisted of more conclusive and brutal victories over top level fighters 'Haye knocked out all the premier cruiserweight champions of his era. Jean Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccarinelli. Uysk in comparison, won on points. The only top level cruiserweight he was able to knockout, was Tony Bellew who was dead at the weight of 200 pounds and really should have fought Uysk at Heavyweight. At the time of the stoppage, two judges had Bellew winning on the score cards and one judge had the fight completely level'.
Yes, Haye had one punch knockout power, which Usyk lacks. That being said, he had enough power to knock Fury down, and had Joshua stumbling around the ring and sitting on the
ropes (and was then saved by the ref/bell).
Note: All of Oleksandr Uysk's top level fights 'are close and competitive fights, contests were he also sustains heavy damage. Oleksandr Uysk has only fought once this year, and that one fight looks to have already written him off for sometime in the game. And that was his most decisive win at heavyweight vs Daniel Dubois II'.
Usyk had four real top level HW wins: 2 x Fury and 2x Joshua. As mentioned above, 2 of those were UDs - there was nothing competitive about Joshua 1 (117-112, 116-112, 115-113) or Fury 2 (3 x 116-112). Those were dominant wins.
Oleksandr Uysk has never had a win at the level of Floyd Mayweather Junior vs Canelo Alvarez 'Mayweather won almost all the rounds in the fight, complete domination. Against another elite level fighter'.
I don't think Canelo was Mayweather's best fight, not at all actually. Canelo was still far from his prime at the time AND Mayweather made Canelo come in at 152. That is exactly the point I made in my previous post: Usyk never had the luxury of making his much larger HW opponents come down in weight for him. And he STILL beat them.
Oleksandr Uysk for sure is an all time great fighter 'He is the most accomplished fighter active the sport. But seriously? Stop trying to make out that he is formidable fighter, one that has got the entire heavyweight division shook right down to their boots. Uysk is not that level of fighter, and has not displayed that type of ability. His nearest competition in my opinion are not apprehensive of his abilities, they just respect and admire his skill'.
That's a contradiction, don't you think? I agree though that he doesn't scare his opponents, because he quite simply is not a knockout artist. That doesn't mean he is not formidable - he just doesn't pose too much of a health risk compared to e.g. Wilder in his prime.
Beating Daniel Dubois I & II is not a all-time great win 'He has been smashed up, before he ever fought Uysk I & II. And will most likely get smashed up again in the future, because that is the type of fighter he is. Dubois is a front runner at top level, everyone in the sport knows this'.
No, they are not - and I never said that. 2 x Fury and 2 x Joshua, those are great wins, especially since - and again I am coming back to my original post - they were much heavier, more powerful, and were the legitimate No. 1 and 2 HWs at the time. Nobody had given him a chance in the HW division (including me: my bet was on Joshua in the first fight - but I was wrong).
To conclude: You have not proven that Oleksandr Uysk has achieved many decisive wins at heavyweight 'All you have done is listing all of his fights, where he was beaten up on course to a win. People can all watch those fights, and yes? They will enjoy them, and quickly understand that Oleksandr Uysk most of the time at top level is getting smashed up by his opponents'.
I have proven what I wanted to prove: that he beat the top HWs, despite being the clearly smaller man (with all associated disadvantages), and never at home. That is a factor you simply cannot deny.
Regarding "smashed up", that's clearly exaggerated: in their first fight, Fury did some damage, yes. Maybe Joshua a little bit in their second fight. He wasn't knocked down a single time, by those giants.
Oleksandr Uysk is achieving his best wins, via having the superior level of endurance 'And being able to maintain his technique and a high pace for the entire duration of the fight. Uysk skill for skill was not miles better than ether Tyson Fury I & II or Anthony Joshua I & II, they both had the ability to win rounds vs Uysk'.
That is why Oleksandr Uysk does deserves major credit 'He most of the time at top level, has to beat his opponents with very difficult tactics. Which are to develop the action into a battle of attrition and make it a distance fight. Due to Uysk's lack of real damaging power, this is how he has won most of his fights even at Cruiserweight'.
Oleksandr Uysk has refined his style, and is exploiting modern day super heavyweight fighters in areas of their game where they are lacking 'Endurance and a high level of accuracy and the ability to not make unforced errors and technical mistakes while under serious pressure' etc.
Yes, agreed, except for the "battle of attrition" (that I would use for fights like Lewis-Klitschko, Tyson-Holyfield, etc).