Fury - Usyk is off.

There's no proof of that. Neither Sky or BT have ever released PPV numbers in their history. Usyk may have done big PPV numbers in the UK but its because AJ was in the other corner. It's like me telling you Maidana was a bigger draw than Canelo because Maidana's fights with Floyd had more PPV buys than Canelo v Liam Smith, completely disregarding that the reason is Mayweather. Let's be realistic, Fury sells out stadiums as the A side You're telling me Usyk v Dubois will be in a 94,000 capacity stadium like a Fury fight? - Nope, itll be in a much smaller indoor arena. That's all you need to know about their respective popularity and ability to draw numbers. These are facts There may be no official PPV numbers released but they are unofficial numbers floating around. Both AJ-Usyk fights reportedly did over 1.2M PPV buys, while Warren is quite mum about the Whyte & Chisora fights' numbers. Guess why? If they did over a million buys, it would have been all over the news, instead Warren seems to have a loss of memory when he's asked about it. Krassyuk just said yesterday that he has seen the official numbers for the Chisora fight and that they were the same as the Usyk-Chisora fight.. And that was just Usyk's second fight at heavyweight, while Fury's fight was at the peak of his popularity. Regarding ticket sales, in the UK the gate contributes just a small part to the pot. And you seem to think those fights sold out just because of Fury. In the UK, both Whyte and Chisora are big draws and have large fanbases, and actually both have reportedly sold about the same or more UK PPVs than Fury. As for Usyk-Debois, we don't know if it would happen at all, let alone how well it would do. And Dubois is just a prospect, he's only fought in small arenas and never done a PPV so I don't see how that is relevant at all.​​

Usyk said the rematch clause was an issue on Fury's end That turns out to be FALSE and it's Usyk wanting a rematch that ruined it Contradictory much.

Sugar Hill and Okolie were in the gym with Fury last week, so he definitely was working with him. Obviously not now because the fight is off But Fury has been with his strength and conditioning coach and his nutritionist for weeks, and Sugar Hill joined them last week. So they certainly were expecting a fight, whether it was against Usyk or not is another matter. Sorry, that's incorrect https://youtu.be/5nATdhKoGE4?t=148 Watch the whole interview. Sugar Hill says that he was only in the UK for Okolie and was leaving the 28th.

And his UK PPV numbers are actually higher than Fury's. There's no proof of that. Neither Sky or BT have ever released PPV numbers in their history. Usyk may have done big PPV numbers in the UK but its because AJ was in the other corner. It's like me telling you Maidana was a bigger draw than Canelo because Maidana's fights with Floyd had more PPV buys than Canelo v Liam Smith, completely disregarding that the reason is Mayweather. Let's be realistic, Fury sells out stadiums as the A side You're telling me Usyk v Dubois will be in a 94,000 capacity stadium like a Fury fight? - Nope, itll be in a much smaller indoor arena. That's all you need to know about their respective popularity and ability to draw numbers. These are facts

Sugar Hill didn't even talk with Fury about the fight. When he arrived Fury "put me on notice that possibly this fight might happen, and that was pretty much it" So much for him and his "training camp"... "I spend plenty of time with Tyson, now it's Lawrence Okolie's time" Sugar Hill sounds very disinterested in what Fury does or doesn't do. He's moved on. https://youtu.be/JF5L0MhRdrg?t=201 Sugar Hill and Okolie were in the gym with Fury last week, so he definitely was working with him. Obviously not now because the fight is off But Fury has been with his strength and conditioning coach and his nutritionist for weeks, and Sugar Hill joined them last week. So they certainly were expecting a fight, whether it was against Usyk or not is another matter.

Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson. And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi. His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now. Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch You are comparing apples and oranges. Usyk was a mandatory challenger vs Joshua and was going to get 20% per WBO rules. Instead Joshua gave him 30% for the first fight and 50% in the rematch, which is a great deal for a challenger, especially against AJ. Usyk is now the unified champion, holding 3 of the belts besides being the undisputed cruiserweight champion. Also, in his last fight he made about what Fury's made from all 3 Wilder fights together. And his UK PPV numbers are actually higher than Fury's. He already bent backwards and took a huge pay cut by accepting a 70/30 split in order to make the undisputed fight happen. Why should he compromise again for the rematch by agreeing to 50/50 if he wins and 80/20 if he loses? As you said the rematch clause is needed as injuries and robberies do happen often in boxing. And if anyone is going to get robbed in the UK on a Frank Warren show, you can bet it won't be Fury. They were already trying to rob Usyk blind in the negotiations. As for the Saudis, the fight did not happen there for one reason only - Fury reportedly asked for crazy money and priced himself out, that is what fighters do when they don't want to fight. Krassyak already confirmed this and said a small delay in building the stadium would not have been an issue.​

promoter, Frank Warren, spoke about the new date and advanced negotiations that are currently taking place in the coming week. He said in an interview with TalkSport: “The fight will take place 100% in the last Saturday of April , where it takes place will be determined, I genuinely think in the next six or seven days maximum. Because if we can’t do what we’re being asked to do with Tyson and Usyk then it’ll take place in the UK and we’ll have that time to promote it. We’ve got to make a deal”. ​ They didn’t want it ? :doh: The determined place was Saudi that’s where both parties agreed and were waiting on Fury to sign but he got cold feet . Usyk was a mandatory challenger with no belts so the split was 60/40 or 70/30 those were the rules depending where the fight took place under the WBO in the first fight . The second fight was 50/50 because Usyk won and fought in the U.K that was the rematch clause. You cannot ask for an 80/20 split or a 50/50 if they want the same contract fir the Joshua fight either and be taking seriously . The Saudis didn't want it yet. Do you really think Fury would say no, even a lower of then expected from Saudi would likely be more than the uk fight will generate. Frank sland Bib said Saudis said they wouldn't be able to build an arena in time by May

Sugar Hill didn't even talk with Fury about the fight. When he arrived Fury "put me on notice that possibly this fight might happen, and that was pretty much it" So much for him and his "training camp"... "I spend plenty of time with Tyson, now it's Lawrence Okolie's time" Sugar Hill sounds very disinterested in what Fury does or doesn't do. He's moved on. https://youtu.be/JF5L0MhRdrg?t=201

Fury, I thought it was easy to make a fight with you? You always blamed josh, but I'm not sure now. You got 70-30 for this fight. Couldn't you give in to usyks other demands like give 1 million to Ukraine for every day delay? I don't see why he should have to donate to charity. You can't demand that on anybody, it had nothing to do with boxing. Charity is a choice. You can't force people to be held to a political viewpoint and give money. Usyk turned down the 50-50 rematch split, thats was the final straw.

Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson. And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi. His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now. Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch The Saudis did want the fight They were negotiating separate contracts and Fury didnt reach a deal with them. I heard he was asking for close to £100m. Even Usyk's team said the amount Fury was asking from the Saudis was insane amounts. It then brings into question if the fight was ever going to happen in the UK. If Fury was asking for so much from the middle east, there's no way he was gonna be satisfied with the fight in the UK. Even at 70/30 you in the UK he's probably not making more than £30m. Even if Fury had wanted £50m from the Saudis, he still was never going to be satisfied with the UK purse was he? Also, this is using Fury as the example, but it probably applies to everyone involved. Usyk's team also probably had more on the table in the middle east and wouldn't have been happy taking much less in the UK. When you weigh it all up, the fight was highly unlikely to happen next month in London. In my opinion, if they ever try to make the fight again, they'll explore the Saudi route again and Fury may be more reasonable with his guarantee now that its evident this fight is never happening in London.

Fury, I thought it was easy to make a fight with you? You always blamed josh, but I'm not sure now. You got 70-30 for this fight. Couldn't you give in to usyks other demands like give 1 million to Ukraine for every day delay?

The thing is, Usyk has now put Fury in a difficult position not only with his image but also his career. His image, especially in Britain, has taken a very big hit and then you look at his options for any sort of meaningful fights left: Wilder(4), Chisora(4), White(2) or Wallin(2), Schwarz(2) or facing AJ or Joe Joyce. If he can't make a deal with Usyk how is he going to make a deal with AJ, who has no belts now but is very unlikely to accept a 30-ish / 70 split? He'll have to pay him more than Usyk. And I don't think he fancies fighting Joe Joyce. And he is in a difficult position because he fears retirement. He wasn't in the gym preparing for Usyk (Sugar Hill wasn't training him, he says he was just using his gym for Okolie), Fury's in the gym to keep away the demons in his head.

I read yesterday that Usyks manager could see the fight going ahead in June possibly but not 70-30 split . Cant see it now though to be honest. Fury for me is the one more to blame for the collapse. Hes going to loose fans me included. I use to be a big fan of his ,no more.Still think he is a quality operator but on this occasion has let himself and the sporting world down.

You don't give yourself just 5 weeks to promote a fight of this magnitude This fight isn't happening next month, it never was Fury has conned the boxing fans once again You're right you don't but the build up and hype has been selling it since Usyk beat AJ and Fury wanted it for last December until Usyk said he needs recovery plus its all over social media now for the last few weeks everyones talking about it taking sides hoping it happens and they havent even needed to put money down yet on posters or press conference's Pretty genius by both sides to keep more money in the pot right? This is the promotion and it's getting ppl talking more than any episode of 24/7 or presser ever could

50/50 offered in the rematch clause. Take it. Usyks own teams fault for accepting 70/30 and rushing Usyk to do a public video accepting it and now crying that they only meant 70/30 on the basis of the rematch too You're holding him to an Instagram video like he signed a contract and now he's reneging. Obviously he would only take 30% on the basis of the already agreed rematch. It's so obvious that even you should understand it. Fury has always amazed me. He constantly underestimates (in my view) the intelligence of the general public and he's constantly proven right. People really are as dumb as he thinks they are. He's lost a few more this time though. Even those with just a below average IQ have cottoned on to him. That's not me making any assessment of his bravery or boxing ability. He could probably be truly great if he wanted to.

Then you realise he’s fought nobody else of note in all those years in between or before. His 3rd biggest win is who? 13 loss Chisora who never won a big fight? Or Whyte, already knocked cold by AJ 5+ years earlier when undefeated, and almost killed by an ancient Povetkin just 2 fights before? Wlad was almost 40 years old, and KO’d and retired in his next fight. The guy is a mentally weak clown, who talks so much shît a large amount of his fans have now seen through him. He doesn’t want these fights. He never wanted the AJ fight and he doesn’t want the Usyk fight. Tyson Fury to date has the two biggest wins in the Heavyweight division 'Kiltschko & Wilder'. But apart from that? Fury predominately fights at domestic to high end European level. For overall I think in the professional ranks, has been promoted and matched brilliantly 'Up until this point'. Fury last two fights have no stylistic carry over, for fights vs Usyk or even Joshua. It will be interesting to see who Fury fights next.

Tyson Fury = Number 1 Everyone is ganging up (Wilder & Joshua & Usyk teams) on the mighty undefeated Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury beat Klitschko in Germany, Klitschko was unbeaten for 10 plus years and he (Wlad) tried every trick in the book - scales/hand wraps/ring canvas. He went on to battle Deontay Wilder 3 times in America, officially winning twice. (Second and final fights were CLASSICS) Made himself known in America (Joshua couldn't lol) Those bot accounts won't work. Then you realise he’s fought nobody else of note in all those years in between or before. His 3rd biggest win is who? 13 loss Chisora who never won a big fight? Or Whyte, already knocked cold by AJ 5+ years earlier when undefeated, and almost killed by an ancient Povetkin just 2 fights before? Wlad was almost 40 years old, and KO’d and retired in his next fight. The guy is a mentally weak clown, who talks so much shît a large amount of his fans have now seen through him. He doesn’t want these fights. He never wanted the AJ fight and he doesn’t want the Usyk fight.

The gypsy fraud ducked a middleweight. Disgraceful

Joke. Fuck Fury. looks like he’s waiting Usyk out a bit to ensure better chances. Usyk is quite a bit older iirc.

Team Usyk asked for 70/30 in the rematch in favour of the winner (of the first fight). If Fury was so confident of winning, he would have agreed, as 70% in both fights is a great deal. Instead Fury asked for 50/50 if Usyk wins, and 80/20 in his favour if he wins, which of course noone in their right mind would have agreed to. Usyk already compromised more than enough. According to Krassyuk, the money he would have gotten for the first fight would have been 3 times less than he got for the second Joshua fight. Keep in mind Fury could not come to an agreement with the Saudis as well, while Usyk easily did.​ Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson. And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi. His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now. Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch