It wouldn't be hard to get Floyd vs. Tszyu, not as hard as you'd think. Tyson and Oscar are big money tickets anyhow, the networks will fight like hell for rights on them. Tszyu isn't a big draw for Showtime. They wouldn't be too unwilling to let Tszyu fight.
Actually supposedly Showtime doesn't have any contracts with fighters now except Tyson right. At least they were supposed to phase out contracts. I think its a conflict of interest for a network to have fighters signed to exclusive contracts myself. Cause what are the networks supposed to do if they've got a fighter for several fights and the fighter loses a couple times? He loses his marketability but the network is stuck with him. Gives the network a strong motive to fix fights.
If showtime stops having contracts then HBO will have to eventually. If you are a fighter and your contract is up with HBO you could switch back and forth instead of being stuck with HBO only. Much better for boxing. Showtime might be phasing them out because of the new legislation that could designate them promoters if they have those multi-fight contracts with fighters. Then their network would have to follow all sorts of laws.
Was it me or at one point did Hatton take a Tszyu right hand straight to the chin and then look at Kostya like "yeah, I'll take those all night"? Hatton has a GREAT chin.
No he didn't. That punch was partially blocked if we are talking about the same punch. The announcers just said it was clean. Hatton does not have a great chin. I have seen him knocked down by a C level fighter without a lot of power...Eamon Mcgee??? Hatton didn't get KOd because of his newly developed defense. He was making Kostya miss or blocking his punches with unbelievable skill compared to his previous fights.
Here's the real argument. Is P4P based on your last performance or on your entire body of work (your whole career)? Ranking Hatton P4P would be like ranking a minor league pitcher that shut out the New York Yankees in a 1 game series in his first game in the majors. It just doesn't make sense. That pitcher may have the potential to be great but you can't tell if he's great based on one performance. One significant win and thirty-something minor wins is not enough to rank Hatton top 10 P4P. Look at the accomplishments of everyone ranked in the top 10 P4P by this website. Now compare their accomplishments to Hatton's. He's not in their league yet. You have to beat multiple very good to great fighters to be in the P4P rankings. Otherwise its just a list based on who's last fight was the best. You may think that Hatton is the best fighter right now and you may be right but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have to PROVE that he is the best fighter. :boxing:
I don't think I'm blowing it out of proportion when they have a history of picking a fighter and focusing on nothing but him for most of the fight.
I'm not saying they aren't biased but if you have ever watched a Sky sports telecast when one of the boxers is British they are exponentially more biased than HBO. They make their fights sound like fairy tales for the British boxers. Also its not about HBO's reputation its about how biased they were for this fight. You can't deny that their commentary at the end of the fight included that they could understand that the fight was scored a draw.
Hatton's natural strength was always very high, ever since he was a young kid. He always had this bullish strength. Don't underestimate Ricky's punching power, ever.
Give me a reason not to underestimate his power. I give Hatton credit for being a good fighter but his power is way overrated. Look at how long it takes him to KO B and C level fighters if he KOs them. BTW knocking out a guy who has never been KOd before is not an accomplishment when the man is well past his prime. Hatton doesn't have the one punch KO power like Corrales.
where would you put Taylor (P4P rank) if Taylor happens to beat B-Hop convincingly?
I wouldn't rank him P4P. I would put him on top of his division but that's it. It takes time to be a top P4P fighter, which is why a lot of fighters are close to retiring by the time they are on top or near the top.
I couldn't really say because I missed thier commentary at the end but I'll take your word for it. Without Steward or Jones there both Lampley and Merchant would make it seem as though KD won by a landslide which Lampley tried to do during most of the fight.
I definitely agree with that Steward and Jones are typically the voice of reason. Has anbody else noticed that Merchant's comments are much worse than they were before. His analogies don't even seem to make sense anymore.
KD out-powerpunched CM by about 17% if I remember correctly from COMPUSTAT numbers
A lot of people don't know this but when they say "power punches" all they mean is any punch that isn't a jab. They make it seem like they are hard punches but a lot of times they aren't. All those weak punches Kid Diamond threw when he was off-balance count as power punches when they really have no power on them at all. Same goes for Casamayor. You can't ignore the jab when you consider who won. I also believe the fight was a lot closer than the HBO commentary was saying. I never thought they were biased until I saw this fight. It was a very close fight. You could lean towards KD for being more aggressive in most rounds or you could lean towards Casa for actually showing some boxing skill. KD looked far too sloppy. He was off balance after so many of his punches. Ali wasn't always coming forward and he beat the crap out of very aggressive fighters. So aggression only counts if it is effective.
You never thought HBO was biased? You more than likely won't find a more biased crew anywhere else in boxing.
Don't blow their bias out of proportion. Their bias is pretty subtle. There were several points in the fight where they mentioned that Casa was coming on and winning rounds. In addition Steward even said that he could see how the judges saw the fight as a draw. Lederman's scorecard was right in line with one of the tree judges scorecards. He was just on the far end of the KD spectrum. If you really want to see bias look at Sky sports telecasts with an British boxer involved.
Yes his footwork was excellent...he moved very well side to side to throw the pressure fighter off and away from Abbies right hand. He used his feet well to manipulate Abbie for bodyshots as well and reset well after throwing combinations. All signs of excellent footwork...and he kept it up for 8 1/2 rounds. Did you not see this or what?
I agree he kept his footwork up through the whole fight but its not until the 8 round that you start to see the footwork fade so we can't if he can keep that movement up for 12. It looks like he had a decent shot at it though.
Here's the thing about Hatton. He is a great infighter from an incredibly close distance but what is he going to do against an excellent boxer that can use the ring for 12 rounds? I don't know how hatton would prepare for the fight. What would Hatton do against another excellent infighter...especially one that gave hime a shoulder instead of squaring up to him? Again I don't know. I have serious questions about Cotto too. Both good fighters trying to prove that they are great.
I'd make them actually enforce their rules as opposed to giving multiple warnings. Like I've said before you don't get a warning for holding or jumping offsides in football. You got an unfair advantage and you are penalized for it. It should be the same way in boxing. The fights would get cleaner and more exciting at the same time. What would a man like Ruiz do if everytime he tried to clench he lost a point.
Yes, I lost quite a bit myself on Tszyu. Really who should we be more mad at? Hatton or Tszyu? Or ourselves for not seeing the future? All those Hatton fans told us who would win. *sighs*
Make no mistake I'm mad at Tszyu for his complete lack of movement and for quitting. Unless you are actually watching Hatton train there is no way to know that he was going to suddendly develop a defense.
he also invented a new great defense, take every punch your chin. It works so well, that must be why his face looks so normal
That's hilarious. Everybody loves to hate Mayweather and loves to love Gatti. Can anybody name a really good fighter that Gatti beat? Oh that's right... I forgot his best fight was against Mickey Ward. Every other really good and some good fighters whomped his a**. Gatti's only real chance to win this fight is Mayweather's overconfidence.
I hope Gatti can do Floyd in Atlantic City the way Hatton was allowed to do Tszyu in Manchester.
To bully Mayweather Gatti has to catch mayweather first.
Mike's head movement, hand speed, his ability to rotate on his punches (especially that left hook) as well as his ability to throw short straight punches with precision and power all went away with Cus. If any of you ever actually boxed you would know discipline wins fights. Cus was Mike's decipline. Without Cus in his life at all Mike Tyson becomes a neverheard of "lifer" in the Pen. However extend that discipline further into the young physical phenom's life and I have no doubt he earns universal Top All Time Respect beside Ali. And don't foget about Mike Tyson coming out of Jail with the teachings of Islam, a huge steroid developed body and a shrunken crack head. The guy we've watched lose is no where near the man who could have been Heavyweight Champ at 18 and maybe even 17. Does anyone remember Ali at that age and how much he improved before shocking the world and Liston. Mike screwed Mike no doubt and it was Don Kings sloppy seconds by then too, however, you cannot take away the fact he was physically the greatest wasted talent in professional sports in at least my lifetime.
AWESOME POST. Tyson was an unbelievably gifted fighter. Speed, Quickness, Accuracy, DEFENSE AND STAMINA when he was in his prime. Anybody who watched his early fights would see this. Regardless, wasted talent makes your legacy much worse. I have more respect for a guy like Morales. Someone without blinding speed or power but somehow still gets it done.
If they don't fight their mandatories don't they lose their belts? If that is the case Hopkins has three different sanctioning bodies who could present him with a mandatory at any given time. Hatton only has one then he can fight whoever he wants. Then we can start to judge him as fighter or a runner...or should I say a wrestler or a runner.
You people a bunch of commercial sellouts. I bet Roy makes an 8 minute Ab workout video you people buy it along with the warm-up socks.
Who do you work for?
This popped up before and apparently the prince has said he was going to come back several times and has yet to do it. I would love to see him come back though. The superbowl has its halftime show and boxing had its pre-fight show with the prince. As much of an arrogant ass as he was he was still entertaining.
Your a propagandist, I am ignoring you, I advise everybody else to do the same.
That is unbelievable. I am a propagandist. If I was a propagandist would I waste my time putting propaganda on this website. You are obviously just a kid that's angry at the world as evidenced by your picture. Your last few posts have been completely void of any argument. So now you are going to ignore what I have to say. Its just like the Fox News associating those against the war/Bush with not being patriotic. I really feel sorry for you.
How come we don't have any details about the case at all? Its kinda weird. Why are such a high percentage of celebrities accused of rape compared to average people? Or is that incorrect.
can someone give me advice.....ive recently started boxing training..and when i have to do some sparing i go numb. i loose concentration and my body just drains of all my energy..this is really bothering me...can someone help please
I know this is gonna sound weird but it could be a medical problem. It probably isn't but its worth a shot. I had a similar problem but it doesn't just show up when boxing. If it happens in a lot of different portions of training and you stay tired after your workout for a very long time it could be vasovagal syncope. Basically your body doesn't regulate blood pressure correctly, especially in response to adrenaline and it sometimes takes a whole day to recover. That's only a distant possibility...probably just a confidence thing. The best thing you can do is find a reason to be confident in yourself or just PRETEND(to yourself) that you are confident and that you will do well. Although when people aren't confident its usually for a good reason.
I think a federal boxing commission could work out well. Every other pro sport has a commission, and I don't see much corruption in the NFL, NBA or baseball. I'm sure there's some, but nothing so dramatic that it really impacts the day to day of the sports or what the product the fan gets. Boxing needs someone to step up and protect the fighters. Right now, it doesn't seem like the individual states are doing that.
Finally, logic, either for or against the commission enters the thread.
Who is the oversight of these 3 men. The fricken heads of the democratic and republican parties, oh thats great. So george bush would be the oversight for the republicans, and who for the democrats Nancy Pelosi. Both professional liers with no integrity.
If we were to follow your logic that we shouldn't have a federal boxing commission because it would be corrupt then we can't let the government do anything because it will all become corrupt. Also you seem to be ignoring the already corrupted state that boxing is currently in.
and international commission would make more sense to me...boxing is a global sport as someone above stated and if Boxing will be governed by one commission, I think an international commission would be more fitting
That's a good idea but any international commission formed should realistically deal with the other problems the world has right now. Its almost impossible to get the international community to intervene when there is a genocide. Let alone when there is corruption in boxing.
1. Some boxing insider that knows a lot of gossip and will spread it
2. Emmanuel Steward
3. Teddy Atlas, he has the knowledge and the passion.
4. Larry Merchant
If Ali didn't have Parkinson's I would love to hear him as a commentator...or Sugar Ray Robinson
You are propagandist that probably works for the federal government. You cant possibly be so stupid as to actually believe this would help the sport of boxing. The more power you have the more chance of being corrupt there is. And this commision has absolute power, its complete bullshit.
First off, I know so much more about this country and how corrupt it is than you do. Second, you are demonstrating the same mindset(essentially all emotion and no logic) that the right wing in this country tends to have...you just happen to be liberal. I don't work for the government and I don't even watch news on TV because it is owned essentially by 3 companies as is almost everything you watch on television. You are just like an arrogant and ignorant conservative you just happen to be liberal. By the way I don't have a problem with conservatives or liberals I have a problem with how our "democracy" works.
Its a much better idea than the 50 states. All you need is 1 corrupt state commission(Nevada is well-known for its corruption) and corrupt people can put fights there. Someone banned by 49 states can still box at an Indian reservation. If the states are so in touch with the people why have they done such a horrible job with boxing so far. Boxing is corrupt right now and everyone knows it. This possible new commission has a much better chance of breaking the corruption than the state commissions that have already had decades to do it and haven't even tried.