Hatton Pound for Pound?

Hatton deserves number 5 in my opinion, but probably no higher. You at least have to consider that Tszyu might not have been the BEST version of himself. However, he still looked very good and coming off a blowout victory of Mitchell would many thought would beat Tszyu. Hatton has owned a lot of fringe contenders, and then beat Tszyu. This is good enough for top 5, but not top 3 (yet). Also, why not have Hatton over Morales. Hatton weighed 147 on fight night whereas Morales weighes 141, 6 lbs difference. You don't think if Hatton was naturally 6 lbs smaller that he could beat Morales? I do. No I don't. I don't think he could beat Morales, Barrera, JMM, Pacman, Corrales, JLC, Mayweather. He could probably beat Gatti but it would be a good fight. Him beating an old, Tszyu who didn't show very much pride or balls throughout the fight doesn't do much for me. That is not the same Kosta Tszyu that we are used to seeing. It looked like he came in the fight with 1 foot in retirement.

Manny P has a great point, some of you rate Hatton in top 5???.... P4P cuz he beat KT. On the other hand Jermain doesn't make top 10 p4p for beating the number 1 p4p fighter in the world? I just can't seem to grasp the logic there....

He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw. I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera. Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter. My top 20 looks like this: 1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned) 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140) 3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out) 4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above) 5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa) 6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin) 7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career) 8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated) 9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks) 10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row) 11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before) 12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous) 13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss) 14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign) 15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids) 16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous) 17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah) 18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos) 19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys) 20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now) i like your list, i just cant have hatton that high after one big win over a guy who may or may not be over the hill. imo Zoo is just past his prime but to all the british fight fans im not knocking hattons win, he deserves all the credit in the world btw who you got if morales or pacman fights casamayor? i think they'd be some tough fights.

i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense..... if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet... scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents. I understand your point but beating a top rank featherweight might only be as good as beating a top 20 fighter in the light welter division. With the exception of JMM and Chi(who Harrison hanst fought) the division isnt that strong anymore. Fighters like Medina, Chacon, Polo and Brodie aint much better than Tackie, Phillips and Magee(i'm dont even think they are as good because Hattons opponents can all punch) and there defintely not as good as Tszyu.

I can't think of Hatton as being one of the top 10 or 15 just yet, he did make look Tszyu pretty old, but I think of that fight as Hatton simply fighting the right guy at the right time. Tszyu was a hot fighter going into the match eventhough he had only fought three rounds in like two years and probably wasn't as sharp as we all thought he was.

I'd have Toney higher but the whole roids ordeal and everyone here would bitch at me. Judah and Johnson are interchangeable...Castillo is right there too. Ouma would be higher but he still hasn't beaten an elite guy.

does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p. the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab. btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw. I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera. Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter. My top 20 looks like this: 1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned) 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140) 3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out) 4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above) 5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa) 6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin) 7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career) 8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated) 9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks) 10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row) 11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before) 12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous) 13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss) 14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign) 15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids) 16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous) 17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah) 18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos) 19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys) 20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now)

If anyone clicked that link on the first page, tell me this: "Welcome to the big time "Hitman" Hatton. The Manchester lad was fantastic in stopping IBF champion Tszyu in his own back yard." doesn't make it sound like Hatton took Tszyu out in Australia.

hatton is definitely NOT a P4P. just watched hatton vs. Tszyu, throughout the fight hatton was rushing in with his head, locks up tszyu's arms repeatedly, he was making this fight a wrestling match rather than a boxing match. very very sloppy fight and i was very disappointed. of course, u can argue that this was hatton's "strategy" to wear tzyu down, but still, i wasn't impressed by hatton AT ALL. if the fight was in the u.s. or australia, ref. would've done something about hatton's dirty tactics. and the low blow in retaliation??? damn, that was definitely intentional and from the look of it, it was a devastating low blow. tszyu's low blow was arguable, u could call that legit. i give hatton credit for his stamina, relentlessness and ability to capitalize on older fighter who doesn't have as much steam as him. but skill-wise, he's not THAT impressive....

These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes. Very true he was robbed in Santos hometown. If Margarito were to beat Judah would put him in the P4P? where would he rank?

hmm These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes.

Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right? I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower? You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't fuck around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight. does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p. the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab. btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway

you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW. Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that. and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong. btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right? I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower? You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't fuck around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight.

wut? hatton p4p? haha. funny. sure he beat KT but he's not even impressive for god's sake! If this is wrestling i might consider him.

I Have to give Ricky Hatton More credit, I would Love to see him against one of Mexicos elites fighters, I wonder if hell put on a Hamed(like Hamed V.Barrera) or be successful, PacMan thought Mexicos elites were easy by beating out Barrera and got exposed by Marquez and Morales, I would love to see Hatton Vs Morales Morales unanimousmous decision over Hatton

hmm p4p is part "what have you done for me lately" and part career's accomplishments, as well as who would beat who if they weighed the same naturally. 1) Bernard Hopkins 2) Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3) Winky Wright 4) Ricky Hatton 5) Zab Judah 6) Diego Corrales 7) Jose Luis Castillo 8) Marco Antonio Barerra 8a) Erik Morales 8c) Manny Pacquiao That's it. That's ten guys. Rafael Marquez just missed the cut for me, as well as Kostya Tszyu.

Fix, YOU need to get over this head 2 head thing. Morales has beaten Zaragoza, McCullough, Barrera at 122; Kelley, Chi, Ayala at 126; and Chavez, Hernandez and Pacquiao at 130. He has dominated the guy that kicked Barreras ass twice, and convincingly beat maybe the most dangerous fighter in any weight class (who also dominated Barrera and KOed him). Erik's career outside of this head to head business has been better than Marco's hands down. Morales only takes on top guys (no Fana's and old Ayala's) and is going to make history when he wins a 4th world title at 135. Erik's last 5 fights he's 4-1 with only 1 close MD loss to Barrera. Barrera is also 4-1 but his level of competition in significantly worse than Morales', and he was dominated and KOed in that 1 loss. If this info doesn't change your mind then nothing will though, just hold on to that "head 2 head" argument for dear life. :D So if some bum off the street with a somewhat padded record who got blasted out by Kofi Jantuah in 3 rounds came in and beat Maragarito next week by way of technical decision they'd be a top 20 fighter? That's basically what you're saying because Santos hasn't done shit outside of that one awful fight with AM and his win over the old ass, overrated Yory-Boy Campas. That Lewis/Rahman argument is way off and doesnt apply here. We're talking about 2 elite fighters here...not 1 big time champion and 1 severe underdog with a good right hand. Castillo/Corrales was pretty damned even and these guys were the 2 big dogs in their division. This isn't a case where Castillo is just so much better than Corrales that everyone can still say that Castillo's better after he lost and was KOed like it was some lucky punch fluke. Corrales has beaten Casamayor, Freitas, and now JLC right in a row. JLC had a nice run going before the loss, but a loss is a loss and you should still be bumped down below the other p4p guy that beat you. You're also contradicting yourself with the whole head to head argument here. By your Barrera/Morales logic, Corrales SHOULD in fact be ranked higher than Castillo. Don't compare Ouma to Mayorga please. Ouma ain't some mindless slugger who just comes and throws bombs and intimidates his opponents. Ouma has fast hands, has maybe THE highest workrate in the game right now, is one of the 3-4 best in-fighters in the game, has a great chin, throws punches in combination from all angles behind the jab, and is a pretty good defensive fighter himself. His "snoozefest" win over a good fighter in Kofi Jantuah was such a "snoozefest" because he shut out and thoroughly dominated him (by the way, what does that say about your top 20 fighter in Santos who was blasted out by Jantuah in 3 rounds?) Cory isn't active enough to rack up points on Ouma, he doesn't have the power to keep Ouma off of him, and Ouma has more than enough stamina to hang with Cory for the full 12. Kassim would slaughter Spinks at this stage of the game. you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW. Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that. and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong. btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight

why is that crazy, tarver was in the p4p list cos he beat roy jones by your reckoning then hatton must be p4p now then. niether hatotn nor taylor should be ranked p4p based on one world class win. whats crazy about that. its crazy becuz by your logic..........PAC shoulnt have been on P4P list afta beatin Barrera? Thats very crazy to me!!!!!!

i don't think you could say hatton is top 5 but somewhere from 8-12 i mreckon I think that's pretty accurate as well.

why is that crazy, tarver was in the p4p list cos he beat roy jones by your reckoning then hatton must be p4p now then. niether hatotn nor taylor should be ranked p4p based on one world class win. whats crazy about that.