LOL I love Paul Williams, we from the same area but come on son. Carlos Quitana schooled him in the first fight. Dude couldn't get out of the way of a straight right hand. As far as Floyd not having a punch, that could be true but then wouldn't people have just straight up mauled him every fight i.e. Paulie M ? I think Floyd has another power to keep guys honest and rethink their game plans. I've spared with guys that were just so damn sneaky with their right hand they force you to readjust even when you think you got them figured out. By the end of the session, your like WTF just happened?!?! Floyd in any era woulda held his own. He may would have took a few L's from the likes of Duran and Hearns. but I think we would still be an all time great, Top 15 fighter. All the fighters that we think would beat Floyd had flaws that Floyd would have adjusted too. Just my opinion as I got Paul Williams as my P4p number 1
Williams had some problems against southpaws. His losses all came against southpaws. Floyd is no southpaw.
Even then, Williams still KOd Quintana and did well against Martinez until that KO. When you risk it, you will lose some of those risky fights. Floyd tried his best to remove risk from the equation before entering into his fights.
Damn, beat me to it. Quintana's straight right hand huh?? But he was a southpaw doe.
Every fighter at 147 or 140 is scared to death of Broner. Take your pick. I mean, this guy can't get a fighter to "man up". All dem welterweights be ditchin dem belts in utter fear of BRONER.
Definitely not. Great win, but Mayweather has more than a handful that are better and more that are at least comparable.
I'm sorry, but can you name me 1 win on Floyd's resume that would be greater than Ward beating Kovalev? Because I don't think there is one.
I hate bringing it up but at the time of the fight corrales was prime, bigger, and higher ranked p4p fighter than Floyd. Take the ratings how you will but if I recall Floyd was 5 and Chico 3.
Chico was taller, but was he bigger?? Because he sure didn't impress in his one fight at 147 when he got dominated by Clottey.
i don;t think floyd was significanty larger, if even larger at all, than corrales. corrales was about as big a 130 lber as you're gonna see.
josh clottey was a big welterweight. showtime unofficially weighed him and he was 170 lbs. not saying those scales are the be all end all, but that's still a solid welterwegith even if the scale is 10 lbs heavy :lol1:
My point is/was, is that Chico was not a big fighter. Yes at 130 he was big, he was a good 135lber. But Floyd filled out to be a welterweight. Chico had no business there.
Jesus...Manny will fuk him up quick. Props to him for calling Manny out. At least hes not worried about losing his 0.
Hard to believe that in 2016, people still act like we're in 2010. Pacan should be the underdog. He probably won't, but the only thing surprising would be a Pacman victory, (minus some paid judging), of course.
Damn right! All we need is for Canelo to be gone and then we'll have no more ppv to worry about.
The boxing world has been so much better without the divas.
So youre saying Keith can beat Bradley? after going the distance with Mannys old sparring partner...you think he can beat Bradley?
Pro fighters spar all the time. I'm not sure what you mean by Manny's old sparring partner. As if that means Porter is a bum. But I will tell you this, Provo, the guy that just lost to Molina jr, lol, had Bradley on queer street for an extended period of their fight. That tells me that a fighter with a near 50% accuracy rating with power could definitely beat Bradley. Possibly stop him.
yes of course we have seen some slowdown as you would normally see in an aging fighter. Some. But seriously if you ike him or hate him or whatever tha case may be he has competed against younger and stronger guys very athletic guys at a championship level and really has shown NO signs that he should not get back in the ring. He has also got devastatingly KO'd by JMM and got back in the ring to dominate.
now when he loses to lesser opposition or gets out worked by lesser opposition then yeah lets scream he is done and over. But that is not the case. He is still out working and out classing and beating up solid opponents.
Didn't say he shouldn't fight. He can do whatever he wants. I'm saying this is 2016 and Pacman hasn't dominated anyone relatively close to the fighter One Time is in 6 years. And I know Pacman doesn't beat him quickly. Or at all for that matter.
He'd better keep beating lesser opposition, because Thurman and Brook are not the type of guys an old Pacman needs to be fighting.
I doubt al gaymon will let thurman fight pac. he doesn't really want to work with arum plus he knows his fighters will most likely lose fuk him more mismatches it is.
Yeah, cause Porter/Thurman was a mismatch and Keith is in the business of ducking. Yeah, just an all around pretty stupid post.
styles make fights. Manny Beat the hell out of Bradley 3 times...Bradley beat JMM JMM KOd Manny. That point is mute. Back to reality...Keith has only beat guys in the LOWER echelon of the sport. Fought no top guys...AT ALL. How does that prove his worth and why should it? Manny on the other hand has blown through and beat guys in his prime and in recent fights who have been of better quality opponents than ANYONE Keith has ever fought.
He sure has beaten lotta guys in (his) prime. Shall we count the numbers he's beaten outside of theirs. Mosley?? Margarito?? To name a couple. Minus the drain.....
Keith is better than Pacman's entire welterweight run. And above. (Which is laughable). 6 years past is prime, plus a brutal ko from a smaller, older fighter than One Time.
You have to look at the quality of opponents Keith has fought. There is a reason he is on a high horse right now. He is looking good against lesser opposition opponents that Manny has fought in his most resent fights. If Keith can beat Tim Bradley Id say lets do it. But i dont think that would happen. Porter gave him all he can take. And a lot of people think Porter beat him.
Keith last 5 fights before porter were fights made to make him look good. The opponents were LESS. Come on man Brandon Rios would beat any of Keiths last five opponents not named Shawn Porter. Im not taking nothing away from Keith for being a decent fighter. But no way is he on A Pacquiao level when Pac was in his prime and no way is he on a Pac level at the end of his career. Manny is still game and beating and out working BETTER opponents than Keith has faced.
Outside of Bradley, who looked awful against a fighter Molina jr just beat, Pacman hasn't done anything noteworthy in years. The last elite level fighter he fought put him to sleep. Outside of Floyd taking clear advantage.
Rios got ko'd by a man who had like a dismal ko ratio, he was obviously shot. But if Thurman can't beat him, and is overrated then the fight should be easy, made and see what happens.
Do you even read what you are commenting on this website?
You said it makes GGG irrelevant, not Ward vs GGG.
You kept hating on GGG claiming GGG would be irrelevant now, even though 10 times as many people want to see GGG vs Canelo than Kovalev vs Ward.
Who is the irrelevant here?
GGG is irrelevant concerning Ward, who's fighting Kova. Not GGG being irrelevant as a fighter himself. I'm pretty sure this is the 2nd time I've cleared that up for you. And I didn't keep hating on anything. I said once, GGG is irrelevant. (But not as a fighter. Concerning Ward he is because Ward is fighting Kova). This is now the 3rd time.
And again, GGG/Canelo has nothing to do with Ward, or Kova. And if we're being honest, which you don't seem to be doing, Ward/Kova as a real fan would know, should be a vastly superior fight to GGG/Canelo. In which GGG should be favored dramatically. Where as Ward and Kova should be rightfully so, 2 of the top fighters in the sport.
What fight do you want to see the most?— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) May 9, 2016
And another one from the usual suspects got exposed.
A usual suspect got exposed huh? By what? Ward/Kova makes GGG/Ward irrelevant. Hope that clears it up for you. Furthermore what would GGG/Canelo have to do with this??
Just as good as GGG, for example.
Kovalev is a better opponent for Ward.
GGG is a fine fighter. but he's a middleweight. Ward and Kovalev are both light heavyweights. There's no way, none, nada, zip, zero how Kovalev is only "as good as", GGG.
The Kovalev-Ward fight is on and tickets go on sale in a few days and this is the thread we get from Jubei. No more negative threads to make about Ward ducking Kovalev so we revert back to Golovkin.
Pretty sure Ward said once he moved to 175 that he wasn't dropping back to 168 for anybody. Plus if he beats Kovalev and gets those 3 belts then why should he drop down for Golovkin?
Just drop it man, no one who isn't a biased hater of Golovkin expects him to meet Ward at 175. But you're fuelled by these kind of threads that pit fanboys against each other.
Excellent post. Ward is fighting Kova. Why in the world would anyone act like Ward/GGG is relevant at this point in time? That's just retarded.
are you new here?
Every damn fanboy do this, they big up the opponents of their fighter to make that victory seem more bigger and greater than it really is. Not saying kovalev aint top3 arguably #1 in my book but this tactic is nothing new, its happens almost every weekend and more so every big fight.
Mayweather fans with berto "hes a x time champion who fresh and just had corrective surgery so this is the best berto ever, no one has ever beat this version of berto"
Wilder fans "molina is a very durable rugged verterans who comes to win and have sneaky skills, the version of molina wilder fought beats any of the top 10 HW's right now"
and so on and so on.
Floyd fans did hype up his opponents, just like Pacman fans and Canelo fans.
But the truth is, there's no need to inflate either Ward's or Kova's accomplishments and standing because both are in fact 2 of the best, undefeated fighters in the world.
You want to say Hagler just because.............
But damn, Jones was a the greatest talent I've ever seen until that Tarver left hand. As great as Hagler was, jones was that good. I'd say 60/40 Jones.
Big time One Time fan here, and I was lil tipsy watching it live on tv. I thought the fight was close but I thought Porter edged it. Gonna rewatch it sober and see if I change my mind.