RJJ vs. Hagler at 160lbs

Jones beats him..to much speed and agility

Marvin Hagler

Roy had a chin before the weight drop. He beats Hagler on points.

People keep forgetting that Hagler's frame in modern terms is that of JMW rather than MW (due to the change from the same day weigh-in to the next day). The size difference will be substantial in favor of Roy. And with his reflexes and power. I love and respect MMH, but I don't like his chances in this match-up.

This is a good point...it would essentially be the version of roy who fought toney. Yeah. Same attributes, same mindset etc.

He improved greatly after the Hopkins fight (so did Hopkins btw) and I think he elevated from there so I can't argue with ya. Fair enough. He hurt his hand against Bernard and he was apprehensive because it was his first big fight at 24. So he did improve after the fight. In my opinion, his absolute peak was 94/95 when he fought from Tate to Vinny Paz. He was obviously great right up to Ruiz, but I would say 94/95 was him at his absolute best.

I got Roy Jones, Jr. Winning this one by unanimous decision on clean accurate punching. Roy would have been too fast, too strong and too big for Hagler. All it would take is just a little subtle movement by Jones, to really confuse Hagler, because he was never good against boxers; Especially those who moved their feet. He couldn't cut off the ring. The only chance I would give Marvin against Jones, if Roy decided too settle down flat-footed, in front of him and not move. However, If Vito Antuofermo drew with him and Sugar Ray Leonard outpointed him by way of split decision, then I can see Roy Jones doing a whole lot better against him than those two because of his overall physical ability.

Again, he moved up to fight Toney in the same year he fought Tate. It was 1994, he was 25 at that point. The MW version of Roy who fought Tate wasn't green. That's the version of Roy I'd put into a fantasy fight against Marvin at MW. He was a great fighter at 25. I understand where you're coming from. Yes, he doesn't have lots of great wins at MW. But that didn't mean he wasn't a great fighter, that was just circumstances. He'd knocked out Malinga before he fought Tate. That was Roy at his peak. This is a good point...it would essentially be the version of roy who fought toney.

correct me if im wrong, rjj didnt put his chin in harms way often at mw. when rjj fought hop, hop was ending those who were built to be ended so his ko % was inflated. hagler had real power and the pressure never stopped. certainly rjj could have out boxed hagler (which is what i think would have happened most of the fight). i also think hagler would have hurt rjj and eventually ended him. just mho. Fair enough...but if rjj didn't mive up to hw and then come back down and all of the sudden have a khan chin, there would be no frame of reference to assume roy couldn't take haglers power is all I'm saying. Roy was a little green at mw, but hagler himself had some less than impressive performances. It would depend on what version of hagler showed up i guess, but I'd take the bigger, faster and more athletic rjj by decision.

Again, he moved up to fight Toney in the same year he fought Tate. It was 1994, he was 25 at that point. The MW version of Roy who fought Tate wasn't green. That's the version of Roy I'd put into a fantasy fight against Marvin at MW. He was a great fighter at 25. I understand where you're coming from. Yes, he doesn't have lots of great wins at MW. But that didn't mean he wasn't a great fighter, that was just circumstances. He'd knocked out Malinga before he fought Tate. That was Roy at his peak. He improved greatly after the Hopkins fight (so did Hopkins btw) and I think he elevated from there so I can't argue with ya.

Can't say he was then IMO. He barely fought there even after he won the title Again, he moved up to fight Toney in the same year he fought Tate. It was 1994, he was 25 at that point. The MW version of Roy who fought Tate wasn't green. That's the version of Roy I'd put into a fantasy fight against Marvin at MW. He was a great fighter at 25. I understand where you're coming from. Yes, he doesn't have lots of great wins at MW. But that didn't mean he wasn't a great fighter, that was just circumstances. He'd knocked out Malinga before he fought Tate. That was Roy at his peak.

Hagler loses 9-3. Outboxed badly.

imho, hagler would have reached rjj chin by the 8th. hagler would have needed a ko too. Are you talking about the post hw move rjj chin? There was nothing to indicate he was chinny at mw.

Jones fought 73 times to date with 20 bouts at middleweight. He was fast and difficult to hit cleanly but was not at his best at 160! You can't take his 50th bout at 175 and bring those experiences backward to 160! When you have a pressure fighter against a mover the fight evaluations changed dramatically when the mover held the power to pick ring size. This fantasy match is no different for me with ring dimensions helping and hurting the participants. 20ft and above is a huge advantage for Roy. 19ft and below for Hagler. However I'll take Hagler over a not very experienced Jones at 160lbs. As to "best ever" at 160 I doubt either is at the top of that list, top ten for Hagler for sure. Ray

but which fight was won because the guy took royds and he had no business winning ? can i at least get an unbiaased scientific link to support the royds guarantees a win in boxing ? anything other than this request would be a waste of both of our times. All the ones where the guy who one took roids.... Why else did they take them? Your argument is that they didn't need to cheat? That's moronic. Roids help you train longer, heal faster. It improves you all around. Your argument is a waste of time. Go back in time and tell Mosley he didn't need his balco products to beat Oscar....I'm sure he'll listen to you.....

the hagler srl fought was the shell of hagler. thats like saying the holmes tyson beat was the real holmes. theyre practically the same size. it would have been rjj speed vs haglers relentless pressure. btw, no one kos hagler. good luck knocking him down. Hagler could box too, and he wasn't slow either. Agreed that the Hagler Ray fought was seriously diminished.

He was great, he just didn't have great fights there. Can't say he was then IMO. He barely fought there even after he won the title

i said ''do''. as in conclusively. give me just one fight, JUST ONE, where royds won that guy a fight he wasnt supposed to win. All the fights in history that have been made into NC's because of failed drug tests have an argument for it.....

royds dont win fights. They certainly can. For example if Mcgregor had of been on roids against Diaz he wouldn't fade the way he does...

Roy Jones was really good, not great, at 160. He was great, he just didn't have great fights there.