Brave_turtle

Zab has so much wasted talent.

I think if Hatton wins, and Zab takes a lil time off, then Hatton would pick Zab for his next opponent. He is the best-bet to beat of that group, and he would still be a big payday. Plus Zab puts himself out there way too much, he fights kind of like Roy Jones but leaves himself open/in bad positions way more than RJ ever did. Ricky could grapple and push Zab around, which would piss Zab off, so he'd try and load up his punches and let his hands down. I think Hatton beats Zab 9/10 times. I doubt if it will ever happen. I wish though, I think Zab has all the necessary tool to beat Hatton. I'm more 60/40 Hatton.

From experience a boxer would do better because thai boxers tend to be unable to deal with decent hands. From you experience? I'm sure you haven't experienced enough. I've been sparring with world level boxers in Montreal (Lucien Bute, Joachin Alcine, Eric Lucas) and against Muy Thai fighters from the 5 years I've been living there. Trust me, it's like comparing apple and oranges. As good as comparing MMA to Boxing. When you get too close they lock you into a Muy thai clinch. When you try to get close to them they poke kick you. But that wasn't the biggest problem. The main problem I found while sparring against Thai fighters is the leg kick. They really hurts! Our boxing stance doesn't offer any defense against leg kick and while sparring with them I had to switch from right to southpaw stance in order to absorb all the leg kick. All in all, if we are talking Thai rules with the same weight, I would say a Thai fighter would win a fight 8 times out of 10. The opposite would also happen if we take a Thai fighter against a boxer in boxing rules.

From what I've experienced thai boxing doesn't prepare you for high intensity combinations. You can walk through leg kicks most of the time. The key is to keep up the pressure. I've seen it in thai boxing matches. The guy with the better hands tends to pull away and overwhelm his opponent, regardless of the opponent's kicking ability. Please stop being delusional. We all love boxing but you should give credit where credit is due. If talking from your experience is getting leg kick 5 rounds then we may take it into consideration. But if your experience is by watching TV, it's really irrelevant.

Mr perfect Ernesto Hoost couldnt even cope with the pressure of sloppy Bob Sapp. and sapp is garbage as we all know. FYI, Hoost Vs Sapp weren't using Thai rules so pointing them is irrelevant. Also Bob Sapp isn't a boxer. Size difference should also be taken in account.

I tell it like it is. Your saying that boxing technique doesn't work in real fighting which is completely untrue. Taking words from Joe Rogan who thinks UFC is the sport of fighting, yet the same punches you use with gloves can be used without them and are as or even more effective. How is a wide looping punch more effective then a clean short and straight one? How is throwing the same thing over and over repeatedly more effective then throwing a variety of punches? Excuse me but I never said boxing techniques doesn't work in real fighting. Please do not put words that I have not said. You are exhibiting exactly what I was thinking it will happen -the Boxing Vs MMA type of thread. You really tried to mask it by but in the end it becomes so obvious.

well thats why its called mma not boxing, you cant just go in there like a boxer, and while those looping shots may look sloppy thats the way they have to throw because they have to worry about take downs and all that stuff. I think that's the most intelligent post in the thread. Different sport different game. Don't expect a diver to run as fast as sprinters. I understand people have different taste but thread like doesn't bring anythign but hate.

The only reason why theres a rivalry in the first place is because ufc fighters started running their mouths about how they are all around better athletes, were better conditioned and fought in a much rougher sport. Acting like boxers are one dimensional, like Floyd would really try to use the philly shell in a street fight, c'mon. The sport of boxing should have been dead by now by what UFC experts were saying, after all the UFC was killing boxing off right? :rolleyes: Everyone knows that boxing is doing boxing harm and not anything else, but lemme ask you this..who started comparing who? I do agree that they are like apples and oranges in a way but they are still fight sports none the less and in many aspects boxing laid the foundation for ufc. How you gonna take the rounds, the scorecards, the corners, the weight classes, one minute brakes, etc as well as other aspects from one sport then completely diss it? In other words... You wanted to bring that Boxing Vs MMA type of topic back?

I understand that there is far more to MMA than striking, but that kind of shit makes me doubt the experience level of many of the guys participating in this sport. You just answered your own question^^ Matt Hughes is known for his wrestling ability not his striking ability. What helped GSP to win his fight was his ability to neutralize Matt Hughes take down. His wrestling helped him way more than his striking abilities. Same thing can be said about pure strikers that goes in MMA. Grapplers will '' doubt the experience level of many of the guys participating in this sport''- like you said.

Heavy punchers that can score 1 punch KO.

I find it sad that people are bashing some fighters so hard. The ''cocksucker'' comment isn't necessary and only shows TS 12 years old attitude. Any fighter that got in the Pros and are actually getting in a ring (win or lose) gets my respect unlike some of you keyboard warrior. @ undefeated: If you think this guy wouldn't beat you, you are very delusional my friend. I'm pretty sure that with this kind of record he would still beat all of us in a ring.

Alright I give it a shot for fun. I'm very bad at predicting fights so good answer would probably the opposite of all my predictions. Hatton vs Mayweather - Hatton KO 11 PFB UD Pavlik vs Taylor - Pavlik TKO 7 Pavlik TKO 9 Mosley vs Cotto - Mosley TKO 8 Mosley UD Pacquiao vs Barrera - Pac Man TKO 6 Pacman TKO 8 Calzaghe vs Kessler - Calzaghe UD Kessler UD Ibragimov vs Holyfield - Ibragimov TKO 6 Holyfield TKO 6 Maskaev vs Peter - Maskaev UD Maskaev TKO 5 Trinidad vs Jones - Trinidad KO 5 Jones TKO 5

This was a nice fight, enjoyed it from beginning t'ill the end. PFB does have a big heart^^

If an amateur boxer, Sean Gannon, beat him up, he sure ain't ready for a world class heavyweight like Mercer! ww First of all, Sean Gannon is not a so called amateur ''boxer''. He fought in MMA and he's in the lowest echelon of MMA fighters. Second of all, in Kimbo Vs Mercer fight anything can happen. If Kimbo trained his ground skill and if Mercer comes out like this anythign can happen. One kick TKO against Mercer, I haven't seen anyone doing this to Mercer in boxing. And don't bring this ''he was old'' BS. Also, Jorge Masdival fights in MMA. Jorge used his boxing skills in this fight but he would have won way faster in MMA since he likes using knee and clinch and excel in ground game compared to a street fighter.

Match fixing has hurt boxing a lot. Unfortunately, it still going on.

I think it just goes to show how easily Floyd defense can be penetrated by pressure. I somehow disagree, especially with the ''easily''. Alot of fighter tried to pressure him whitout any success. It even turned worse.

No UFC fighter has ever fought in a boxing match coz they know they will get licked. On the other hand...mediocre/retired boxers have fought in the UFC and has been successful most of the time. That's unfair comparison because most MMA fighter aren't boxers. They are usually master of other martial arts. Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in wrestling? Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in BJJ? Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Judo? Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Sambo? Put MMA fighters and Boxers fight in Kickboxing? Alot of MMA fighters doesn't train their striking in boxing and doesn't use boxing stance. They rather train in kickboxing for striking.

Silva 190 lbs my ass. he weighed in around 220 lbs for his fight against CroCop, and walks around even more when not in perfect shape. The weight limit for his weight class isnt even that low. and Hunt is 300 fucking lbs of fat, and hes gotten beaten by bums in boxing, his hands are not that good. His head is made of stone though, this is absolutely true. can take a shot like hell. Unless you can't read I was talkign about Silva vs Hunt. If you want exact weight, silva weighted 203. Still a big difference isnt it? have you even seen his mma fights? he barely throws anything but punches. no, not even knees. last effective non punch he used was against Dan fucking Bobish. and that weight 'advantage' is very advantageous when a 'black belt' in BJJ is on top of you, right? Ive seen the fucking fight along with all of his other fights, its not like I dont know my shit. This newbie in Mark Hunt almost submitted Fedor with a keylock in his last damn fight. Mark Hunt does throw knees. Saying Fedor got almost submitted shows your limited knowledge about MMA. Altho it looks like he was close to submit Fedor, he was a mile a way to do it. Not even close! Newbs to submission and MMA seen a few kimura and think it was closed to be done. ''You are wrong''. I suggest you watch and learn more... and often times in mma fights, grapplers catch the kicks people throw, and take them down that way. Even CroCop has gotten caught with that a few times, and hes supposed to have some of the best takedown defence in the game. It simply leaves you open as hell to takedowns AND punches, because kicks take longer to fire off and get back in position than a punch (for the most part) Everyone gets bring to the ground in an MMA match. Whats your point? Crocop left high kick is effective because its hard to block and taking him down at the same time. Did you know Crocop isn't a rookie in BJJ? Kick and punch each have their own advatange and disadvantages. If you know both, you are better geared. and yea, btw, Rampage only did a little wrestling in high school. nothing deeper than that. hes made his way around mma with mostly his strength and through gaining experience while fighting, he is no seasoned wrestler. and I dont remember him being taken down by many people...last person I remember is Sakuraba. Quinton had faced alot of strikers and his oponnent knew he has good takedown defense. Unlike PFB who is virgin to Takedown and submission, fighters will quickly put him on the ground. If you dont think some boxers could do well if they adapt and put a lot of effort into it, youre an idiot. Besides, there are boxers out there with wrestling experience already....like O'Neil Bell and Cintron. But these exciting fighters are much more exciting in a boxing ring. I suggest you to re-read what I wrote. You seriously have some reading comprehension problems. Bring O'neil Bell and Cintron in MMA, but please Cintron challenging Liddell is non-sense. He will have to start down from the ladder. Where he will quickly realize he's in the wrong sport.

First of all whoever said they can coexsist is wrong because when you have guys like Joe Rogan out there being a jackass and bad-mouthing boxing it gets very difficult for the two sides to like each other. Secondly about the "human cock-fighting" comment that was not Lou Dibella's. He stole that from John McCain (the presidential candidate). I thought it is a very good portrayal of the sport. Finally to all you UFC fans out there bust on our fights like Taylor-Spinks and Mayweather-De La Hoya all you want but also take a look at your big fights where the great Chuck Lidell gets KTFO in Round 1. Oh yeah and don't say love him or hate him because the idea behind the thread is that I hate him. Nice... So basically you made a topic saying how you hate Rogan and if we disagree we're out of subject? As far as I remember, I enjoyed PFB vS DLH. I also liked Liddell Vs Jackson. I respect your choice not to like MMA but spreading the hate whitout knowing anything about it is just low. I LOL'ed...

hmmm, Why do you e-rage? You have pre-arranged anti-MMA image in your head. People try to answer your topic, why do have to act this way? Dana may be whatever you think he is but he managed UFC way better than some Boxing promoters. Boxing management should take some example from Dana. If you disagree, argue... You don't need to lose your head. You have 10k post, make an effort...

It would be funny if ufc drops in popularity soon.:rofl: Then Boxing is already a comedy show. C'mon guys!! Stop this MMA bashing. Both can co-exist.

I found the whole UFC 71 pretty exciting. All of the fights were exciting. Sure the main event was fast but the undercard and other fight were good. I can't say that with PFB vs DLH. Boxing undercard makes me sleep while MMA all matches are worth watching.

Some people might. Watching UFC fights, seeing how some of these guys throw punches, I think think a lot of boxers could have a good shot at hanging inside of an octagon. Boxing stance and MMA stance are 2 different things which leads to how they throw punch.

Not when MMA supporters consistantly attempt to bash boxing and insist it is being swallowed up when revenues and fighter purses tell a different story. I have not seen MMA supporter making a topic and start bashing boxing so far. On the other side, all the bashing came from boxing fan. As a fan of both and realizing that boxing fan are usually older, it sad to see what's happening.

or the grappler tries to sprawl,and then the boxer moves back and then pops the grappler while he's on his knees with a quick jab,straight right combo.:rofl: I'd say the MMA dude will back off and Haduken or Kame-a-me-a the boxer. He will then make a kung Fu grip on the boxers Nut which he will follow with a nose lock. Ref stoppage by rear neck nose choke and nose bleed. :luvbed:

different strokes for different folks,im not in mma so I really dont care. 100% agree. But the Bashign has to stop. Both sport can co-exist. Us boxing fan don't need to bash them. We seriously have to get real...

i like ufc i dont think the fighers are good as the top boxers but i hate dana white..he never willhave the best fighters when hes ripping them off... Good in terms of what? Some people really have to do some research before posting... What I hate about boxers is that all they think is that boxing is the greatest fighting style ever and don't even credit other arts. MMA artist respect boxing but knows that it's not the only thing available. Now I sound like a die hard MMA fan but all these non-sense i've been reading so far is far too ridiculous. Why can't people appreciate both sport whitout bashing the other? Insecurity?

I've been having to tolerate White's attacks on Boxing for long enough. He wants to wage a war within the community - here's the result. Mind your own behavior, little one. :fing02: This is what we come here for. So you don't like White behaviour, You come in the forum and try to make other people think like you? And when people disagree you e-rage? I'm sorry but I'm the kind of people who don't jump easily in bandwagon. I feel you need to give Credit to Dana. Even tho he may represent a danger to our beloved boxing sport, you need to understand we need a promoter like him. Like I said, the card entertained me from beginning to the end as promised. None of the fight were boring. Glad you called me little one :kiss:

All I see a boxer do in a mma ring is pop,pop pop move lateral, pop pop move lateral. simple shit. I LoL'ed. People keep impressing me.

Cintron fights at 147, Liddell fights at 205lbs :rofl: great matchup! Nice try trying to pretend that Silva weighs 190lbs, just to try and make yourself look like you know more. He gained weight overnight too, and a heavyweight is a heavyweight, Im not going to say that Butterbean has a huge weight 'advantage' over other fighters just because hes fat as hell. same with Hunt. and you avoided that other part...is that weight advantage really an advantage when Hunt was on his back? that black belt had Hunt in full mount for long periods of time and still didnt submit him. Mark Hunt was not even close...well lets see, the crowd ooohhed and ahhhed, Hunt had Fedors arm in the correct position, Hunt had Fedor in half-guard, his shoulder was visibly being strained, and the commentary was saying about how this might be it...oh yea, he wasnt in any trouble at all, hahaha. Kicking leaves you way more open than punching, it takes more time and uses more momentum, so the person is more off balance. Kicking is definately useful, but its not as simple as 'more is better', there are huge disadvantages to it. The point with Rampage went completely over your head apparently. The point was with him, was that you DONT need a solid wrestling backround to have takedown defence. He just mostly uses athletic ability...but you still dont think O'Neil Bell could learn takedown defence, even with all his wrestling experience?? oook... any master of a single martial art can be world class in mma, if they can keep it in their area of expertise...the boxers would not beat everyone, theyd run into a bad style matchup probebly as they moved up in class...but they could beat the top guys for sure, if they were matched against the right fighters. All top mma fighters lose too(other than Fedor), so its not exactly a big deal, is it? Silva fight in different weight but fact is he fought a fighter about 90lbs higher than him. Weight advantage has to be taken in consideration, if you think not why would you think they make weight class in boxing? Like I said, kicking and punching each have their own advantage. It depends on situation and oponnent, why are you still arguing about this? Rampage went over my head? I do not think so. Altho Rampage is not considered top notch wrestler his wrestling level is high enough to be used during a fight. I haven't said anything about O'neil, did I? Bring him in MMA. If you think mastering 1 martial arts can make you a world class in MMA. I beg you to differ of this ignorant thought. In early MMA days, you could be top dog with 1 martial art. These days you have to be well rounded. Post this in MMA forum and you might be considered to be either an ignorant or a troll.