Do We Underestimate Boxers Against The UFC?

DLT19y ago

There has been alot of boxing vs UFC threads and the thing you hear the most is that a boxer would get killed in UFC and a UFC guy would get killed in boxing. Unlike most people on here, I kind of like UFC. I dont think I watch it enough to be called a big fan but I like it. However, one thing I do notice is that the UFC has alot of guys who basically just box. I watch Liddell and alot of other guys and all they do is box and slam guys. They dont have any other real moves and alot of those guys are the best fighters in the UFC. Thats why I dont understand why so many people except the fact that a boxer would get killed over there. Then you watch the Liddell-Rampage fight and you see him get KO within a minute. Dont tell me a boxer couldnt have done that. Rampage didnt hit nearly as hard as a boxing HW wouldve and it also shows you how weak alot of these guys chins are. Most boxers dont know how to do anything else but alot of them are definatly strong enough to slam guys. I remember Tito Ortiz talking shit about Tyson and saying how he would kill him. Then I watch Liddell go in and Knock Him The Fuck Out by just boxing. Imagine if Tyson wouldve hit him with those little gloves on? I think we also underestimate how boxers would look in the ring. If a boxer got on TV in a UFC ring then he would look totally different as he did in a boxing ring. Thats why I think people underestimate how a guy even like Mayweather would do. Put Floyd in some little tight shorts and give him those small gloves. His body would look so lean and if you thought he looked fast in a boxing ring then he would look triple that speed in a UFC fight. There is no way that even a grappler could get to him without him landing about 4 or 5 clean shots. His speed would be a shock to there system and his power that is called weak in boxing would be crazy in the UFC. Then think about how fast he is. It would be hard for any guy to just try to rush him and put him on the ground. He's definatly quick enough to step back or run back everytime you rush in and while he's doing that he's going to be countering. Those guys would get hit with like 5 blazing quick punches and probally wouldnt even be able to grab him after taking those hits and him moving. Imagine a left handed Zab in there with his combination of speed, power, and his southpaw stance that would throw guys off. He would knock a ton of guys out. The bottom line is that if your a boxer then theres a 99% chance that you will atleast get some punches off before those guys get to grab you and these boxers would knock them straight out. Imagine if that was James Toney hitting Liddell the other night. He wouldve decapitated him. Thats why it kind of makes sense when guys like Floyd say that there not good enough to make it in boxing so there in the UFC. Ofcourse thats not the case for everyone because some arent boxers but again, guys like Liddell basically do nothing else and they never lose. How come he could win but the boxers couldnt? Guys go in against him with a game plan of not letting him hit them but they still get hit and its hard for them to get to him to get him down. Boxers could do the same thing and with those little gloves it would be murder. We also dont even need to talk about UFC guys boxing because that wouldnt even be close. Liddell is a beast but put him in a boxing ring and average guys would KO him within the first 3 rounds

Comments (20)

Naiujiro

Your a retard without a imagination,if the grappler takes down and the boxer steps back,what happens?is he going to float? no he's going to fall cause he missed.Dont post again and get angry and add me to your whiny sig. my mistake on the wording.yay,u got me. What does imagination have to do with you not knowing what the hell you're talking about? The grappler isn't going to fall, he isn't doing a fuckin flying tackle you retard. If he's going to be on his knees from the takedown not sprawl, he will still be close enough were the boxer can't light him up with a 1-2 combination. Seriously, you're hella ignorant. You keep imagining that takedowns can be seen a mile away and that they're slower than hell. People who have about a college or better wrestling experience can close distance instantly. They get their hands behind your knees and sling you to the ground instantly. If they know you're going to sprawl, they'll fake the takedown so you sprawl too early, and now you're underneath them in a powerbomb position. Dude, here is some useful advice for you, just because you can defend against your little buddies takedowns while you're play fighting, doesn't mean you can defend against an Olympic caliber or even a collegiate caliber opponent's takedown. Take a seat bitch, and fade into the background with your mentally challenged perception of fighting.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

different strokes for different folks,im not in mma so I really dont care. 100% agree. But the Bashign has to stop. Both sport can co-exist. Us boxing fan don't need to bash them. We seriously have to get real...

19y ago

Verstyle

different strokes for different folks,im not in mma so I really dont care.

19y ago

Verstyle

I'd say the MMA dude will back off and Haduken or Kame-a-me-a the boxer. He will then make a kung Fu grip on the boxers Nut which he will follow with a nose lock. Ref stoppage by rear neck nose choke and nose bleed. :luvbed: I still think lateral movement can fuck alot of shit up with mma fighters. imagine a explosive boxer in the ufc.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

or the grappler tries to sprawl,and then the boxer moves back and then pops the grappler while he's on his knees with a quick jab,straight right combo.:rofl: I'd say the MMA dude will back off and Haduken or Kame-a-me-a the boxer. He will then make a kung Fu grip on the boxers Nut which he will follow with a nose lock. Ref stoppage by rear neck nose choke and nose bleed. :luvbed:

19y ago

Verstyle

I still take boxers over ufc fighters,so get mad guy with the anime avatar.

19y ago

Verstyle

Why would the grappler sprawl and get on his knees for no reason? He's not giving a blow job, you retard. For God's sake, if you're going to make a whitty comeback, at least know the difference between sprawl and takedown. God, you're retarded. I mean, is your brain actually connected to your body when you type? And I seriously don't get what the whole ":rofl:" is about. I guess, when you're a dumbass everything is funny. Your a retard without a imagination,if the grappler takes down and the boxer steps back,what happens?is he going to float? no he's going to fall cause he missed.Dont post again and get angry and add me to your whiny sig. my mistake on the wording.yay,u got me.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

Some people might. Watching UFC fights, seeing how some of these guys throw punches, I think think a lot of boxers could have a good shot at hanging inside of an octagon. Boxing stance and MMA stance are 2 different things which leads to how they throw punch.

19y ago

MetalVomit

Some people might. Watching UFC fights, seeing how some of these guys throw punches, I think think a lot of boxers could have a good shot at hanging inside of an octagon.

19y ago

Naiujiro

or the grappler tries to sprawl,and then the boxer moves back and then pops the grappler while he's on his knees with a quick jab,straight right combo.:rofl: Why would the grappler sprawl and get on his knees for no reason? He's not giving a blow job, you retard. For God's sake, if you're going to make a whitty comeback, at least know the difference between sprawl and takedown. God, you're retarded. I mean, is your brain actually connected to your body when you type? And I seriously don't get what the whole ":rofl:" is about. I guess, when you're a dumbass everything is funny.

19y ago

Verstyle

Let me revise your statement to a more accurate set of events. step, step, tackled, thinks *WTF*, thinks *that's a lot of pressure on my elbow*, POP, BREAK, ref stops fight, arm has a new way to bend. That's pretty accurate. or the grappler tries to sprawl,and then the boxer moves back and then pops the grappler while he's on his knees with a quick jab,straight right combo.:rofl:

19y ago

Naiujiro

All I see a boxer do in a mma ring is pop,pop pop move lateral, pop pop move lateral. simple shit. Let me revise your statement to a more accurate set of events. step, step, tackled, thinks *WTF*, thinks *that's a lot of pressure on my elbow*, POP, BREAK, ref stops fight, arm has a new way to bend. That's pretty accurate.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

All I see a boxer do in a mma ring is pop,pop pop move lateral, pop pop move lateral. simple shit. I LoL'ed. People keep impressing me.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

Cintron fights at 147, Liddell fights at 205lbs :rofl: great matchup! Nice try trying to pretend that Silva weighs 190lbs, just to try and make yourself look like you know more. He gained weight overnight too, and a heavyweight is a heavyweight, Im not going to say that Butterbean has a huge weight 'advantage' over other fighters just because hes fat as hell. same with Hunt. and you avoided that other part...is that weight advantage really an advantage when Hunt was on his back? that black belt had Hunt in full mount for long periods of time and still didnt submit him. Mark Hunt was not even close...well lets see, the crowd ooohhed and ahhhed, Hunt had Fedors arm in the correct position, Hunt had Fedor in half-guard, his shoulder was visibly being strained, and the commentary was saying about how this might be it...oh yea, he wasnt in any trouble at all, hahaha. Kicking leaves you way more open than punching, it takes more time and uses more momentum, so the person is more off balance. Kicking is definately useful, but its not as simple as 'more is better', there are huge disadvantages to it. The point with Rampage went completely over your head apparently. The point was with him, was that you DONT need a solid wrestling backround to have takedown defence. He just mostly uses athletic ability...but you still dont think O'Neil Bell could learn takedown defence, even with all his wrestling experience?? oook... any master of a single martial art can be world class in mma, if they can keep it in their area of expertise...the boxers would not beat everyone, theyd run into a bad style matchup probebly as they moved up in class...but they could beat the top guys for sure, if they were matched against the right fighters. All top mma fighters lose too(other than Fedor), so its not exactly a big deal, is it? Silva fight in different weight but fact is he fought a fighter about 90lbs higher than him. Weight advantage has to be taken in consideration, if you think not why would you think they make weight class in boxing? Like I said, kicking and punching each have their own advantage. It depends on situation and oponnent, why are you still arguing about this? Rampage went over my head? I do not think so. Altho Rampage is not considered top notch wrestler his wrestling level is high enough to be used during a fight. I haven't said anything about O'neil, did I? Bring him in MMA. If you think mastering 1 martial arts can make you a world class in MMA. I beg you to differ of this ignorant thought. In early MMA days, you could be top dog with 1 martial art. These days you have to be well rounded. Post this in MMA forum and you might be considered to be either an ignorant or a troll.

19y ago

Verstyle

All I see a boxer do in a mma ring is pop,pop pop move lateral, pop pop move lateral. simple shit.

19y ago

Steak

19y ago

Naiujiro

Look at the 1st page. I just posted some videos of mediocre butterbean. Look at my question. I said in the UFC.

19y ago

Brave_turtle

Silva 190 lbs my ass. he weighed in around 220 lbs for his fight against CroCop, and walks around even more when not in perfect shape. The weight limit for his weight class isnt even that low. and Hunt is 300 fucking lbs of fat, and hes gotten beaten by bums in boxing, his hands are not that good. His head is made of stone though, this is absolutely true. can take a shot like hell. Unless you can't read I was talkign about Silva vs Hunt. If you want exact weight, silva weighted 203. Still a big difference isnt it? have you even seen his mma fights? he barely throws anything but punches. no, not even knees. last effective non punch he used was against Dan fucking Bobish. and that weight 'advantage' is very advantageous when a 'black belt' in BJJ is on top of you, right? Ive seen the fucking fight along with all of his other fights, its not like I dont know my shit. This newbie in Mark Hunt almost submitted Fedor with a keylock in his last damn fight. Mark Hunt does throw knees. Saying Fedor got almost submitted shows your limited knowledge about MMA. Altho it looks like he was close to submit Fedor, he was a mile a way to do it. Not even close! Newbs to submission and MMA seen a few kimura and think it was closed to be done. ''You are wrong''. I suggest you watch and learn more... and often times in mma fights, grapplers catch the kicks people throw, and take them down that way. Even CroCop has gotten caught with that a few times, and hes supposed to have some of the best takedown defence in the game. It simply leaves you open as hell to takedowns AND punches, because kicks take longer to fire off and get back in position than a punch (for the most part) Everyone gets bring to the ground in an MMA match. Whats your point? Crocop left high kick is effective because its hard to block and taking him down at the same time. Did you know Crocop isn't a rookie in BJJ? Kick and punch each have their own advatange and disadvantages. If you know both, you are better geared. and yea, btw, Rampage only did a little wrestling in high school. nothing deeper than that. hes made his way around mma with mostly his strength and through gaining experience while fighting, he is no seasoned wrestler. and I dont remember him being taken down by many people...last person I remember is Sakuraba. Quinton had faced alot of strikers and his oponnent knew he has good takedown defense. Unlike PFB who is virgin to Takedown and submission, fighters will quickly put him on the ground. If you dont think some boxers could do well if they adapt and put a lot of effort into it, youre an idiot. Besides, there are boxers out there with wrestling experience already....like O'Neil Bell and Cintron. But these exciting fighters are much more exciting in a boxing ring. I suggest you to re-read what I wrote. You seriously have some reading comprehension problems. Bring O'neil Bell and Cintron in MMA, but please Cintron challenging Liddell is non-sense. He will have to start down from the ladder. Where he will quickly realize he's in the wrong sport.

19y ago

KakutogiGumi

Just to help Boxers with your arguement, please don't use Butterbean. It's cool if you use Jeremy Williams, Jens Pulver, Gerome LeBanner or Scott Smith Using The Bean isn't a good example because most of his wins came from tomato cans.

19y ago

Antonio

I think these threads need to stop.

19y ago