hard to take you seriously when you say beterbiev's footwork is mediocre lol, is canelo who has basic footwork of the two
I'm on about Canelo "his best work is mid range exactly where Canelo wants him, he (Canelo) won't have to use his mediocre footwork to find him" I didn't realise that was difficult to wrap your head around.
Beterbiev does his best work at mid range exactly where Canelo wants him, he won't have to struggle to find him with his mediocre footwork.
IFhe can take the punches he'll most likely win on points (you know the drill), Smith fought an abysmal fight I wouldn't place too much stock in Beterbiev doing a job on him.
Him beating Usyk is delusional but Beterbiev is a very real possibility again IF he can take the power which I believe he would be able to, Canelo struggles with extremely active jabbers or out and out boxers Beterbiev is neither.
Canleo just doesn't have the power at the weight. Look at the punch stats. Canelo lands a huge amount of power punches in his fights, yet doesn't do much damage. He looked small next to Berlanga in his last fight. big reach disadvantage too
It doesn't just mean he stops less people - it also means his opponents can attack him more and take more risks to land punches on him
There is plenty of fighters with size and weight disadvantages who make up for it with timing, speed and accuracy which Canelo has.
He's just not being effective against people who he isn't fighting with stipulations or last minute notice, that's the reality of the situation but feel free to live in delulu land.
And if you believe that power or height/weight is the problem how do guys like Usyk can overcome 12 inch reach advantages and 50+ pounds in arguably the most dangerous division in the sport.
Or Pacquiao another example who's 5'5 and 67" reach in a division were people are 5'9 and 71" reach averagely and lord knows how much weight he gave away.
And then there is strange outliers with orangutan arms like Boots 5'9/10 with 74/5" reach or Fury with his 85" reach and he's only 6'7.
Canelo hasn't stopped a decent boxer since Saunders arguably Kovalev who wasn't even using his vaunted jab the way we come to expect of him and Saunders didn't look the same fighter at all at 68.
He has to claim he's carrying people because otherwise it's going to expose how ineffective he is against less than stellar opposition.
Or without *** like Callum Smith on a few weeks notice, Kovalev same again, Khan with a 30 pound weight advantage and brought up in weight, hydration clauses so on and so forth.
I'm not sure what we are talking about now but my whole point was that Canelo has little power at the weight. I'm not sure how listing some guys who do - will help. Yeah you can find some ways round a smaller reach and less power - but that's always going to be two disadvantages you never had before.
Loma was also worse when he went up in weight. His invincible aura basically fell apart at that point. I remember the Campbell fight. Loma suddenly didn't look very good.
Is your argument that everyone who goes up in weight - looks as good as before? I'm not sure what you are arguing tbh!
Canelo has never had an advantage is power or reach, he's always been a cumulative puncher who used his timing and ability to cut off the ring to win fights.
Most of his kayos are from his catch weight antics as I said initially "He's just not being effective against people who he isn't fighting with stipulations or last minute notice" it's all from tomfoolery.
and he's only kayoed/"stopped" 5 people in the last 16 fights and surprise surprise, all the stoppages are against people like Kovalev with you guessed it "stipulations, last minute notice or some other form of tomfoolery".
I'm not arguing anything either, I'm just stating the facts.
The punch stats show Canelo is landing a huge number of power punches - as I said.
Uysk is literally the exception that proves the rule! Pretty dumb using him as an example.
Not all fighters carry their power up with them. Did you watch the Benavidez fight when he moved up? He looked average against an old guy who barely looked like he was trying
Usyk wasn't the only example simpleton, Pacquiao was also an example and i could've listed others like Loma, Povetkin so on and so forth.
Small guys who were beating guys with significant size,reach and weight advantages but why would I waste my time listing a bunch of guys and certainly not now you've proven yourself to be incapable of thinking critically and how much of a waste of time it would've ultimately been.
Benavidez is average anyway, he's just fighting in a weak division and moved up to a more competitive division and showed his actual level when he isn't being a huge weight bully.
It's as if you're forgetting the fat fúck was a super heavyweight when he was a teen and he's still rocking his títs now.
Yeah but Canelo really relied on certain tactics that required hard punches. Like he would keep sending huge punches to the body and then fake one to the body and throw it to the head instead. Part of that relies on the opponent being worried enough about taking more punches there.
Even if he didn't always get stoppages, his power scared opponents at the lower weights. That really gives an advantage because there is less coming back at him. And now his power and reach are both less than before. Anyone can see the size difference when he fights people now. He looks small in there.
Amazing fighter tho - still winning even with all these disadvantages. 62 wins....
He used to throw in combination a lot more now he's a lot more choosy with his punches and that's allowing people to not only hit him more but not worry about the power as much
His output is fast approaching Zhang level and that's saying a lot given Zhang is in a division were hardly any punches are thrown and he's the lowest output fighter and Canelo in his early 30s and half his size...
He doesn't look small by any stretch of the imagination, he looks short but small he most certainly is not.
I agree. Bakole looked great, purposeful. Anderson isn't what his promoters hoped he was and we as observers can never unsee what we saw.
that was a Norton - Bobick moment. Done.
Ruiz and Miller both live near to the top, in the top 15, but need to atay active, trim more and work hard.
I thought that Miller won it razor close.
People love to give Miller crap for his PEDS bust and his Offensive Lineman build, but he has a lot going for him.
I can well imagine that if he'd gone through as Joshua's challenger, he'd have got the quit out of A.J. Just too much smoke there!
Never bought into Anderson, just like Wilder I believe he was hyped because America hadn't had a really recognizable name/champion since Shannon the cannon so were just desperate for anyone to fill that void.
Possibly AJ was slightly more reckless back then he probably would've bent the knee eventually to the relentless pressure
I'm still waiting for Tank to fight a decent fighter since Pedraza and maybe others are too, that might explain his run off terrible buys with the exception of Garcia who arguably is the draw in that fight.
I've had Bivol picked in this fight for years at this point but by stoppage that's a outlandish pick.
Unless Beterbiev twists his knee or quits out of frustration (very much doubt it) I just don't see it happening.
Like Wilder, Zhang loses to live bodies, seems like you're just annoyed Wilder got rolled by a Chinese lump with good power.
There is nothing remotely abnormal about Zhang other than his height for a Chinese man, he throws less punches than Wilder which is saying something, he gasses after like 4 rounds and he moves like he's wading through molasses...
you got me there buddy.
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You really do try don't you sweetheart but you aren't a good troll, it's actually laughable.
LMFAO @ this low IQ cope
both Dubois and Parker are top 5 HW today. Joyce stopped BOTH of them. He was undefeated. Top 3 HW at the time of meeting Zhang.
Whatever you say boy, don't know why you're trying to cape for Zhang i've said nothing bad about him, freak.
He's not going to pipe you because you defend him on a forum.
And where is the cope, everything I said was factual.
Kuzmin did Blitz him in less than a minute, Usyk did play with him in WSB, Parker was a career heaviest and fought the wrong fight and Dubois was unlucky that his orbital broke.
Joyce is a ponderous old man who grinds people down and relies on his "chin" that's overhyped.
Him being top 3 doesn't mean anything, Jared anderson is in the top 10 right now in The Ring and he's literally done fúck all.
Ratings mean nothing, people can get into them based on hype alone.
lol @ this gay narrative to undermine the CHinese heavyweight.
Joyce was a live body. Undefeated. Fresh off TKO victories over Parker and Dubois.
he beat Joyce twice and now Wilder.
No, he's a bloody mummy furthest thing from a live body you can get, never rated Joyce.
Seeing him getting blasted by Kuzmin in the amateurs in like 30 seconds stuck with me, also seeing Usyk pretty much handle him live in person at York hall didn't instil much faith either.
And as soon as he faced someone with a decent chin and some power he went...
Parker would've beat him but he came in way too heavy and decided to fight rather box with a guy who's a grind you down type.
It was a very bizzare choose by Parker and his team, Parker had all the attributes to beat him, faster feet, fast hands, good chin etc etc.
Dubois was technically just unlucky his orbital went because on any other day his jab might not of done his orbital and joyce would've faded into irrelevance, he was winning that fight for sure.
Yes, there is an argument to be had he's an ATG of the lil guys.
His achievement as far as winning a title in his 3rd fight is what 1 of 2 in history and if they didn't let Salido bust his balls all night and DQ'd him which they should've, he'd be 1 of 1.
He's arguably the best if not the best amatuer of all time, he's consistently fought top opposition even his "tunes up" are better opposition than some of his contemporaries are willing to face and i'm sure if he wanted to fill his resume with cream puffs i'm sure he could of to have an allegedly more meaningful number on his record...
i dont need to shill for anyone or anything...it doesnt make me money
idc if you think it was worth it or not...if it wasnt then move on...dont cry about it....keep it moving and move on to something worth your while or productive
"wahhhhh that wasnt worth it..if i keep crying about it al haymon might go out of business which is what i really hope for wahhhhhhh"
I have no horse in the race being for the UK but I'm telling you now that it's not worth $80 dollars regardless of being able to afford it or not, "crying" as you put it is beneficial to a company, if I don't know what I'm doing wrong in the eyes of my customers how can I put it right and improve upon it for the future? surely this concept isn't lost on you or maybe it is?
Boro won't listen to that logic. He's already invested in the idea a guy who's been abroad twice in his last two fights to contest an undisputed championship is a "*****" rather than a human being with legitimate needs and concerns. Haney is the kind of guy boxing should be celebrating and until this fight is officially off then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
You don't know shít about what I think you imbecile, I just don't want hear excuses.
J-rock won his world title DURING RAMADAN,you might be fine with excuses and shít from people you worship but as far as i'm concerned no fighter is above criticism.
Hgh is in everyone's system at all times. In fact u have it in ur system right now just like I do. The amount goes down the older u get but doing different things can cause it to go up or down too. Like if u got tested in the middle of a workout it would b higher than if u got tested just waking up. Fasting also increases ur hgh levels. U should really do at least a lil research before u comment on something.
I'm aware it's naturally occuring, so are many "banned substances".
E.G. nandrolone but no one accepted that from the Fury(s) who were 24 and 21 respectively but seems it's accepted in an old boy who's levels should be dropping not raising to the point of popping,,,
Why people are triggered by Fury's fat is a question I will forever never understand.
Elie súckback is triggered by anything Fury related he's obsessed beyond comprehension, the two face jew only cares about his shekels and Fury cut them by not giving him access to him.
He just looked in worse shape than normal and he obviously took the guy for granted.
No doubt he took him for granted but his weight wasn't that abnormal, in fact he was also 277 in the third Wilder fight.
Not really a "megacard" it's an average don king card from back in the day with B tier heavyweights and Champions from other divisions fighting stiffs.
The only "mega" thing about is several promotional companies working together which is quite uncommon in this era.
Joshua isn't leagues above Wilder until he proves it, it's useless talking about what he thinks he's capable of, he's in a sport where he can "prove it" what he's capable of...
Too many clowns in boxing lately talk about what they're capable of instead of proving it, just like Wilder.
Parker was always capable of beating Wilder but no one really expected it, the bookies give like a 14% chance to win because rarely if ever does Parker put it all together on one night.
And because AJs pocket Ref made Parker look uncompetitive and Ian John Lewis allowed Whyte to hold on the ropes for a good 20 seconds whilst out on his feet to wind down the clock if it wasn't for them refs parker could've easily beat both but because it played out the way it did people dismiss Parker...
As did I to be fair his propensity to coast against less than stellar opposition, the inability to put all his impressive attributes to good use and apprehensiveness just seemed like a recipe for a Wilder KO.
Wallin is the best boxer that Fury has beaten in the last 8 years (As opposed to brawler), so there you go, says it all
And yes Fury was 3 years out because he had a 2 year drug ban for PEDs
Kind of seems like you are working very hard to find reasons for how AJ is bad while I need to put zero effort into my arguments that show he is more proven than anyone else. Maybe that should tell you something?
I'm well aware Fury lied about mental health to cover up his backdated ban but that doesn't change the reality he was out for 3 years.
Nor does it change the fact AJ should've lost to Savon in the round of 16 or arguably lost Cammarelle in the final and in turn got undeserved hype and push...
Which arguably negates any advantage "Fury" had in terms of years in the sport, Fury went the traditional route of area,English, British, commonwealth etc Joshua skipped the traditional route because of the aforementioned push.
For context Fury fought for his first British title 959 days after his debut, AJ was fighting for a world title 917 after his.
How am i trying to prove AJ is bad when I think everyone is bad, I've already said Fury has arguably two good wins on his resume same as AJ and they've both lost to their best opponent...
You haven't proven AJ is more proven than anyone, you've "proven" that AJ and Fury are fighting similar level opposition.
And at the highest level the opponent, Usyk admits to Fury being the harder opposition despite the cans being more effectively dealt with by Joshua.
Jesus christ "the Cuban Ortiz" the writing quality on here is abysmal since the acquisition, I'd even go as far as to say give me back Hans Themoside and that's saying A LOT because that guy is hot spazzatura.