Is Vasiliy Lomachenko really an "All-Time Great"????

He has made some strides this weekend.

HOFer, without a doubt. ATG? Unfortunately, Loma got into the pros a little too late; and his performance, although excellent, wasn’t quite enough to attain that status. I’ve been disappointed for Loma, as I’ve liked and followed him since the amateurs — a special talent that didn’t achieve full professional potential. He might’ve been legendary. Vasyl has been fun to watch, even in defeat.​

HOFer, without a doubt. ATG? Unfortunately, Loma got into the pros a little too late; and his performance, although excellent, wasn’t quite enough to attain that status. I’ve been disappointed for Loma, as I’ve liked and followed him since the amateurs — a special talent that didn’t achieve full professional potential. He might’ve been legendary. He was fun to watch, even in defeat.

:biggthump Underrated? lmao. He has been overrated since his first fight. They were putting him on p4p after 6 fights. - - They was putting U in the Dump when U was born…

I say yes. On top of that, he has a very pleasing boxing style - high output and accuracy, good defense, brilliant footwork and sharp sense of distance. Too bad he got robbed against Haney

He has indicated that retirement is not far off for him he's made enough to live out his life in comfort, and desires to remain health for most of that span of time. He reaps great praise for his considerable success in the ring, with many calling him an all-time great. I wouldn't dream of trying to diminish his standing. Hes earned the applause of the industry. But as an historian, I am aware of the real neaning of ATG. And so I have to ask: Pro: With an incredible 396-1 amateur record and 2 Olympic golds and 2 world championships, he is one of the best amateurs ever. As a pro, he's gained world titles in 3 weight classes and unified some. He is a fantastic fighter. Con: He's 17-3-0 with just 11 stoppage wins. Hardly the typical hall of fame numbers we expect. If Vasiliy Lomachenko is truly a great for all the ages, what separates him and his body of work at 126 - 135 from his contemporaries, like Teofimo Lopez, Oscar Valdez, Gervonta Davis, Ryan Garcia, Naoya Inoue, Sandor Martin, Devin Haney, Subriel Matias, Isaac Cruz, Gary Russell Jr, Shakur Stevenson, Leo Santa Cruz, Javier Fortuna, Takashi Uchiyama, Francisco Vargas, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Lamont Roach, Jorge Linares, Jhonny Gonzalez, Nonito Donaire, Josh Warrington, Omar Figueroa, George Kambosos Jr, Miguel Berchelt, Etc. Is Lomachenko discernibly BETTER than all of those? Most of those? Or only about half? Lomachenko's work has been more than commendable, but this can be said of many in the 126 to 135 bracket during the past decade too. Does he REALLY stand out as trancending his competitors to rise to an authentic all-time great? ​ Imagine if after JUST 75 amateur fights he turned pro what his professional career would have been like. I don’t think most on here can comprehend my proposal.

Absolutely. Reason he is under rated is he is not American or Mexican. Lampley himself said Las Vegas, therefore boxing, favors Americans and Mexicans because they fill the casinos. Underrated? lmao. He has been overrated since his first fight. They were putting him on p4p after 6 fights.

Judges can make or break a fighter’s resume. That W or L can be the difference between a HOF and ATG. To me, he was the first man to beat Devin Haney. That should’ve made him undisputed champion at 135 right there. That’s a big feat that was taken away from him and the history books. There are certain other wins you have to remember. Hyped up fighters who he threw cold water at. Guillermo Rigondeaux, Gary Russell Jr, Nicholas Walters. There are other top 10 fighters of his time. Jorge Linares, Luke Campbell, Jason Sosa, Anthony Crolla, Roman Martinez, Richard Commey, Jose Pedraza. He got cheated big time vs Salido. I had Salido beating him. But he was absolutely cheated with low blows and the weight issue. He lost fair and square to Teofimo Lopez. No excuse there. Tank Davis ducked the hell out of him. If he can beat another undefeated fighter in Shakur Stevenson…that’s ATG material. What is an ATG anyway? Doesn’t that mean that you can see him holding his vs the greatest 126-135 fighters in history? I’m pretty sure he can. I bet if Lomachenko can fight every HOF 126-135 pounder in history, he’d come out of that with quite a few wins, and probably a few losses as well. But I think the point is that he has proven, with his resume and eye test, that he can hang with the greatest fighters of all time. He undeniably has shown that. I think he’s absolutely an ATG.

ATG amateur. HOF as a pro, just didn't achieve greatness. But this is overall a respectable career. Not that BoxRec is "The Truth" but since many talk about his unconfirmed 396 amateur wins and 1 loss BoxRec tracks 94 victories and 2 losses. I hope you get that right.

Absolutely. Reason he is under rated is he is not American or Mexican. Lampley himself said Las Vegas, therefore boxing, favors Americans and Mexicans because they fill the casinos.

Im a big fan of Loma's but I dont know if he ticks off ATG yet. He is a rare talent maybe one of a kind like Roy but ATG doesnt sound right yet. Him moving to LW is a pretty big move for a guy his size. He is fighting at minimum a weight class too high and still doing what he does. Impressive stuff but I think he might have to become undisputed to put him over the top.

I'm not going to read anything in your thread and just answer your subject line. Is he an ATG? I'd say, yes, he is. Once in a lifetime fighter.

Those losses were based on the weigh in ruleset, if same day weigh in was still a thing all those guys would have ended up badly hurt in the hospital.

Definitely a HOF.. 80%+ of his fights were world title fights. 2 x Olympic Gold Medal = how many of them are there? But wait he ain't American or Mexican.

17-3 all time great lol. He should have lost to ortiz as well. Only reason he won titles so fast was because he was fast tracked to build a fake super star by Arum. He has too many flaws in the ring also.

Nope. The best he could have done would be to be undefeated against the opponents of his time He hasn't done that Theres nobody of historical significance on his resume and he still found a way to lose to a couple of those level guys. How I rate is I think about how he would go against the true ATG's of his divisions and I can't really give him the benefit of the doubt over any of them. Hall of fame yes definatley, he had an excellent career, just not an all time great one.

Not based off his resume

Yes. I wish they would have not robbed him against Haney, Loma won this fight clearly. 3 US judges in Haneys backyard, what a highway robbery. I dare you to watch this fight again, best without commentary, and then realize what happened.

More data for the debate: Counting Kambosos, his opponents had a combined record of 561-45-17, for a 90% win rate at the time of fight. Of his 21 fights, 6 were undefeated at the time of fight. And his best accomplishments have taken place above his natural weight class. If he'd been able to get the fights at 126 and 130, we might be talking a whole different thing. I'm a big Loma fan, and Salido and Haney were both highly controversial losses. He gave away the Lopez fight. But I have a tough time calling him ATG on strength of resume right now, even though he's got the skills. If, however, as the elder statesman, he can run the gauntlet, and add some of Kambosos, Navarrete, Shakur, Tank to his resume, to become undisputed in this last run, I would say absolutely yes.

ATG amatuer, HOFer pro.