Fact of the matter is mma is an easily marketable item , as per boxing it is inherited by generation, it comes through family, fathers, and uncles. The "Sweet Science of boxing" is something that can be appreciated... MMA is a sport which is easily likeable to an average fan who I consider a "CONSUMER FAN" an individual who has no boxing or mma background who purchases a pay per view and ofcourse is easiily attracted by blood and guts toe to toe combat, and grappling. As opposed to boxing where it is not marketed time and time again by blood and guts , but who will come through in the face of adversity... Fact of the matter is, is that a boxers training regiment is much more intense , as opposed to mma, people have not died in mma , as in boxing.... and that's because gloves are utilized.... The only problem I see in boxing is that it has not invested money in it's future.... because any JOE SHMO Will ONLY KNOW DELAHOYA, MAYWeATHER , COTTO, names in which it has so clearly benefited from..The Average fan will not know names such as Rafael Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Abner Mares, Humberto SOto, Johnny Gonzalez, Jorge Linares......the elite the ones who fight on World Championship boxing or Showtime FOR "FREE" and give great shows as opposed to Delahoya "UNDERCARD FLOPS AS WELL AS MAINEVENTS" It's the promoters such as SYCUAN, TUTOR GOOSEN, GARY SHAW, And BOB ARUM who keep the sport alive.... IF you think about it DANA WHITE is taking advantage of his own fighters. The best fighters in MMA Only get about 1million per main event. I know MMA Does good numbers on every show considering every show is ppv. The average PPV boxer makes anywhere from 3million to 8 depending on weightclass.. I say the ones who didn't make it in boxing went to mma .
I believe in Marquez's case His valiant draw was a win , he basically exposed Manny P's weakness , boxing, something manny does not do He is a highly conditioned athlete with a great chin and the most basic one two punch combination i have ever seen. Marquez exposed that If marquez would have won that match which he did He would of gone on to beat Morales and Barrera for sure. I do agree with some comments about Nacho(manager) who made some unsavy decisions in question to a possible rematch for more money but regardless People who know boxing know manny p is not a complete boxer , He is the Epitimy Of a Julio cesar chavez sr. IM NOT COMPARING as boxer Im making an analogy A FIGHTER WHO CARRIES THE WEIGHT OF A COUNTRY ON THEIR shoulders which makes him a very marketable fighter. Marquez on the other hand has yet to recieve that notariety , although he is a outstanding boxer , think about it you get dropped 3 times in the first round you come back and win round after round the great manny p should have not let it go past the 3rd if he was so good. This fight coming up on October is not a fight which will prove anything obviously if you know boxing you know Oscar "Golden Boy" is his new manager and he's not about to go all out and spend high dollars on a "NAME Opponent " for marquez on his first bout with him. He's giving him a decent boxer who will last in their to show marquez is the man which he dont need to prove Once Manny P finishes his fight with Erick Morales , he will be signed on with golden boy and and Im more than sure there will be a MARQUEZ ,MANNY P rematch to finally solidify any doubts fans have of marquez and manny's ability.......And if you were smart you would put your money on MARQUEZ ..he would win that fight with ease.....on to his brother Rafael Marquez another champ he should go up and fight Israel Vasquez that would be agreat fight
On one hand I agree with a few bojado comments he is not the future, I am not saying he is a bum but there are a lot of more prospects with a bigger future that are coming up in the welterweight division im sure you have followed his carrer(bojado's) although he did put up a decent fight against former iba americas holder juan carlos rubio, but he did not ko him , in one of his interviews(bojado) that in the first fight he was having weight issues stating that most of camp was drop weight, sounds too me he is having the fernando vargas syndrome....I have a personal friend who is a current iba americas welterweight champ , his name is Roberto"LA AMenaza Garcia 21-2-16kos, He stripped that belt from rubio , he beat Juan Carlos Rubio in the twelvth by KO bojado couldn't finish him I would like to see him fight my boy in his comeback it would be a great fight , you could look both records up on boxrec.com under mexican welterweight ratings , and on ibamensboxing.com under champions, ON to the MANNY P. Syndrome there are many fans who are uneducated of what boxing is what all about manny p is just a boxer who has phoneminal conditioning and a great chin, but he has no boxing skills from a technical stand point.. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ WHO I THINk is the best in the division exposed his lack of technicality in their fight together.. personally i though marquez won but getting dropped 3 times in the first round makes it difficult to score him a win I understand But if they were to fight again which Iknow they will i know MARQUEZ would beat manny , then go on to beat Barrera and Erick morales , why because he is that good , facing adversity juan always comes out on top......Ask his brother Rafael Marquez another bantam weight champ who is coming up in weight I would like to see him and Israel Vasquez meet Great fight that would be. Great mexican fighter coming up the future has classics in the making, AND THE BIG QUESTION WHEN WILL antonIO MARGARITO GET HIS FIGHT WHEN HE DOES IM CONFIDENT HE WILL TAKE ANY DOUBTS ABOUT ANY FANS. And another big question WHEN WILL MAYWEATHER TAKE A RISKY FIGHT NOT ONE that he knows he will win.. MAYWEATHER BOXING FANS OVERSHADOW HIS CARRER At 135 fights with Jesus Chavez Diego Corrales Jose Luis Castillo , I respect him at 135 ,BUT NEVER WILL I At 147 IT"S a WHole New ball game, I know that HIs win Over BALDOMIR WILL WIN THE HEARTS OF PBF FANS "CONSUMER FANS" so to speak Fight someone that has a chance at 147 then I will respect him
Regardless of the fact what all of you are doing is summing up PBF's carrer at 135 overshadowing the current weight class which HE ALONE considers has been conquered by him he is at 147 not 130 or 35. I consider him one of the best at 135 and 30 he is the best i know but NOT WELTERWEIGHT Gatti , Sharmba Mitcell, Baldomir is not sufficient credibility to state he is the best at 147 his best opposition at 147 was judah but he needs to fight some more fights to determine he is the best at welter. DECENT Opposition such as RICKY HATTON, MIGUEL COTTO, ANTONIO MARGARITO, SHANE MOSLEY. HE needs to fight any of these guys to take any doubt out of my mind he is the best in that weight class , regardless if the opponents are credible this is justa line up of guys who will atleast challenge him to atleast utilize all of his skills personally the guy talks too much , and he should of beat baldomir in less than 12 , from what my friend told me he walked out of the fight before the 12th round so obviously he is not big ppv money as he says he is. Wins over Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo , Jesus Chavez have solidified his skills yes , respect yes , but what PBF fans do is overshadow those names in his new carrer at 147 , If he fights the list above , he has my respect but until he stops ducking fights for 8 million and a wbo title I will consider him a true champ
I figured there was intelligent boxing fanatics in this forum but once agin i am mistakenl. If anybody were to watch Pacman -Marquez, Barrera- Pacman. Pacman fought more intense. Yes Pacman is a one dimensional fighter and I believe he still is ... Freddie Roach is smart not wanting to fight JM, same as Manny Steward not wanting Naseem Hamed to fight JM when he was his mandatory fight for two years and never got that chance... Fact is Barrera, Morales are great fighters but not in the same class as Marquez, all three fighters were exposed to each other and had great fights that generated money. Fact is Marquez was the best kept secret for too long. I only hope those who read this have an open mind not Hugging Pacmans nuts....I respect all his wins what I dont respect is him avoiding his mandatory a true champion takes the doubt out of any fans minds that he is the best by challenging the champion or anybody the public sees fit to test him... Somebody mentioned Rocky Juarez sorry buddy not in the same class or even considered a dream match up, Juarez Great Fighter Great Power but no good trainer or training.... A true champion I consider is Sugar Shane Mosley who had his last four losses at the end of his career before his comeback ... He could of taken a trilogy with De la Hoya or a fight with Trinidad for more money , anybody else but he fought winky wright and Vernon Forest and lost admirably he said himself He allowed them and gave them the opportunity to get the championship because he saw himself in them when nobody would give him the opportunity. Manny is not even a World Champion rightnow , he is a Paper Intl Champion with no belt , just a fighter with a good fane base, something every fighter needs... Now A Rematch with JM would only solidy the first fight was a mistake why not take that chance "WHY DUCK JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ" Even with the 10 - 6 first IT is still a draw. IF you only see all Bob Arum will do "TOP RANK INC CEO" is milk money for all he's got.... get him fights with baby bull diaz , jorge linares, joan guzman, humberto soto, fights that will only generate money but not a legend or crediblity, only beating up and comers but not a dream match up. maybe dream match up would be Pacquaio - Mayweather I would love to see that
DREAM MATCH UPS LETS SEE TO EDUCATE YOU ALL
mayweather- mosley
J.clottey- p.williams
J. Linares- J. Guzman
K.Pavlik- J. Calzahge
A. Margarito- Cotto
K.Cintron- A berto
THIS IS FOR DLT You cannot tell me about Significant Wins HOW BOUT PBF who has PBF Fought at welter who is significant enough to crown him as the best at welter A DIMINISHING GATTI With not enough hand speed to last 6 rounds, A HAS BEEN SAMRMBA MITCHELL, You cant tell me he is the best at welter < I GIVE MUCH RESPECT AT A LOWER WEIGHT Class with his wins over castillo and diego, but margarito does have the WBO belt and is ranked2nd in the division , You know what it does makes sense to fight a hard hitting brick chin having agrentina boxer who is a lesser risk why because baldomir is to slow mayweather will overwelm him with speed agility and impecable defense, He will win credibility from fans like you "CONSUMER FANS" who only names. Besides let PBF beat baldomir and get the belt let him get his chance with the golden boy once margarito gets there he will be de throwned WHy you ask because the mental battle has been won FACT OF THE MATTER HE TOOK A LOWER RISK FIGHT FOR FIVE MILLION and not a crowd pleasing 8 million he is afraid of not getting his may 5 bout for a possible golden whopping , its simple clean cut and dry PBF WILL NEVER BE CONSIDEREd THE BEST AT WELTER UNTIL HE FIGHTS LEGITIMATE OPPONENT LIKE OSCAR MARGARITO HATTON , im going out on the limb on this won but the hell with it PAUL WILLIAMS why not throw in Winky wright , Or a lets good one for you "SHANE MOSLEY" is that a decent name for you. If PBF Fights these guys much respect but until then he is just a GREAT PROSPECT IN THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISIOn
Manny Pacman is a pussy, Bob Arum is a piece of shit, They robbed marquez blind and "HE EXPECTED IT to hAPPEN A fight consist of 12 rounds not 1 lame ass knock down... I went to the fight , after the fight I was at the roulette table , pacman fans were consoling me telling me it's all good , that they became marquez fans and that if it would of gone marquez's way they would of been fine with it because he deserved the decision so who ever say's other wise they are full of shit....
This goes out for DLT , You cannot tell me about Significant Wins HOW BOUT PBF who has PBF Fought at welter who is significant enough to crown him as the best at welter A DIMINISHING GATTI With not enough hand speed to last 6 rounds, A HAS BEEN SAMRMBA MITCHELL, You cant tell me he is the best at welter < I GIVE MUCH RESPECT AT A LOWER WEIGHT Class with his wins over castillo and diego, but margarito does have the WBO belt and is ranked2nd in the division , You know what it does makes sense to fight a hard hitting brick chin having agrentina boxer who is a lesser risk why because baldomir is to slow mayweather will overwelm him with speed agility and impecable defense, He will win credibility from fans like you "CONSUMER FANS" who only names. Besides let PBF beat baldomir and get the belt let him get his chance with the golden boy once margarito gets there he will be de throwned WHy you ask because the mental battle has been won FACT OF THE MATTER HE TOOK A LOWER RISK FIGHT FOR FIVE MILLION and not a crowd pleasing 8 million he is afraid of not getting his may 5 bout for a possible golden whopping , its simple clean cut and dry PBF WILL NEVER BE CONSIDEREd THE BEST AT WELTER UNTIL HE FIGHTS LEGITIMATE OPPONENT LIKE OSCAR MARGARITO HATTON , im going out on the limb on this won but the hell with it PAUL WILLIAMS why not throw in Winky wright , Or a lets good one for you "SHANE MOSLEY" is that a decent name for you. If PBF Fights these guys much respect but until then he is just a GREAT PROSPECT IN THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISIOn
You cannot tell me about Significant Wins HOW BOUT PBF who has PBF Fought at welter who is significant enough to crown him as the best at welter A DIMINISHING GATTI With not enough hand speed to last 6 rounds, A HAS BEEN SAMRMBA MITCHELL, You cant tell me he is the best at welter < I GIVE MUCH RESPECT AT A LOWER WEIGHT Class with his wins over castillo and diego, but margarito does have the WBO belt and is ranked2nd in the division , You know what it does makes sense to fight a hard hitting brick chin having agrentina boxer who is a lesser risk why because baldomir is toO slow for mayweather, pbf will overwelm him with speed agility and impecable defense,all the attributes that baldomir lacks He will win credibility from fans like you "CONSUMER FANS" who only know names. Besides let PBF beat baldomir and get the belt let him get his chance with the golden boy once margarito gets there he will be de throwned WHy you ask because the mental battle has been won FACT OF THE MATTER HE TOOK A LOWER RISK FIGHT and not a crowd pleasing 8 million he is afraid of not getting his may 5 bout for a possible golden boy whopping , its simple clean cut and dry PBF WILL NEVER BE CONSIDEREd THE BEST AT WELTER UNTIL HE FIGHTS LEGITIMATE OPPONENT LIKE OSCAR MARGARITO HATTON , why not throw in Winky wright , Or a good one for you "SHANE MOSLEY" is that a decent name for you. If PBF Fights these guys much respect but until then he is just a GREAT PROSPECT IN THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISIOn. THE CREDIBILITY FACTOR WILL NOT BE USED FOR WELTERWEIGHT BETWEEN PBF/TONY why because most PBF FANS OVERSHAdow PBF's CARRER BEFORE WELTERWEIGHT, BEATING GATTI AND MITCHELL IS NOT A TRIUMPH IT"S A CAKE WALK SO U CANT COME WITH WHOS FOUGHT WHO AND WHaT not faCT OF THE MATTER BOTH FIGHTS HAVE NOT FOUGHT DECENT OPPONENTS AT 147 YET. i RESPECT MAYWEATHER AS A BOXER BUT NOT AS A CHAMP , BECAUSE CHAMPS CLEAR ANY DOUBT IN ANY FANS MIND ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO BEAT A CERTAIN OPPONENT , ESPECIALLY AN 8 MILLION DOLLAR BOUT WITH A WBO BELT AS AN INCENTIVE. BUT THE SMARTER BUSINESS DECISION WAS BALDOMIR HOW SMART. PBf is the best at hipocrit ever
Right on Reich thats the smartest thing i have heard in this thread , Give this guy a chance , who is said to not have enough credibility to fight pbf a so called if it makes dollars it makes sense guy. 8 million is on the table not enough im asuming to much of a risk. Besies who has PBF fought at welter a career descending gatti, or how bout the has been mitchell. Fact of the matter is PBF has not been caught with a welterweight punch, I HAVE RESPECT FOR HIM ONLY IN THE LOWER WEIGHT CLASSES with his convincing wins over Castillo - and DIego but he cant come to welter and consider himself to be the best. Although CONSUMER BOXING FANS will get that impression when he beats Baldomir on Nov 5 a hard punching Brick chin having boxer from argentina truth is floyd will exemplify speed agility and defense. He is too scared for this fight to happen afraid it will ruin a May 5 showdown between him and a possible goldenboy whopping and I say go for it When margarito gets his chance he will win and take all the respect for the division, REMEMBER I SPEAK OF MAYeAther AT WELTER NOT AS A BoXER , cause he is the best not at welter though
Personally i think williams will get what he asked for very soon and if tony doesn't fight him i respect that too. Why Maybe cause the boxing game isn't fair period you have to push and push until you get your chance , Paul williams is getting to impatient and he's gonna get just what the doctor ordered a 8th round tko by A marg. Paul williams style is real jermain taylor like Unorganized and all power, No accuracy 100 punches a round ofcourse who cant miss throwing that many punches , I would like to see how much juice he has going 12 rounds , "CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS" something he is not use too. I belive Paul williams is gonna get the case of the FERNANDO VARGAS IMPATIENCE, TO HOLD OFF ON A BIG FIGHT GET A FEW MORE GET SOME CONFIDENCE AND SKILL LEVEL , But it's alright 07 will be his biggest downfall........He IS A KNOCKOUT ARTIST NOT A BOXER VERY ONE DIMENSIONAL , IN THIS GAME YOU MUST BE ABLE TO be Versatile
i believe for all you margarito haters theres a big suprise for all of you very soon , And for all you PBF "FANS" Who OVERSHADOW HIS 135 lb and below from the days of castillo corrales u need to remember PBF HAs started a new division at 147 think again and WAKE UP and quit coming to the table with this "CREDIBILITY FACTOR" who fought who and this and that , come on lets start with the lb for lb champion . PBF has fought A CARRER DESCENDING GATTI, A HAS BEEN IM 2 ft tall Sharmba Mitchell, And soon to fight BALdomir a smart business decision less risk fight considering he is a HARDPUNCHING Brick CHIN HAVING ARGENTiNA BOXER, the fight will be lobsided because floyd will overwelm him with agility speed and defense, which are all the attributes that baldomir lacks which makes it a smart choice less risk and grab a belt sure why not.THE FIght will be enough to convince the "CONSUMER FAnS" that he is the champ at welter but not for real boxing fans. A TRU CHAMP CLEARS ANY FANS DOUBTs about Your ability to beat an opponent i hope Margarito fights williams but if it doesnt i still respect him why because of PBF business decisions what will bring in more money a PBF/ Tony or a Punisher / Margarito , thats PBF for you. Same antics whatever benefits the fighter not the fans.(Williams) In any case williams needs a lot of work there is no boxing in him it's just 100 punches a round trying to make it an early night , the guy needs needs foot work hand speed accuracy and defensive training he needs a new trainer , some decent opponents and then he can kick it up a notch, margarito would murder him with overhand rights considering williams is a south paw , and his lethal uppercuts would have a substantial effect. Wright would devistate williams with his offense defensive strategy and strong right jab. PBF WOULD KILL WILLIAMS WITH SPEED ALONE .
Fact of the matter is you are asking a question whic involves PBF the reason is who has floyd fought legitmatley at welter CREDIBILITY IS NOT A FACTOR IN ThiS Question BECAUSE BOTH FIGHTERS HAVE NONE AT 147, the thing that needs to be taken in consideration is not to OVerSHADOW PBF's career before welter MITCHELL , AND GATTI , should not be considered legitmate why because they are both sporting descending careers has beens , Margarito's managment has not been able to seal a deal with anybody , fact of the matter is judging by performances seen with other fights that might not be legitmate to you prove to me he is a sufficiently high opposition fighter who provides tremendous pressure regardless of the opponent. So If PEOPLE WAnt to bring names in this equation but go ahead , but for pbf fighting gatti and mitchell it's like sparring for him it was ridiculous , almost just as ridiculous as the beating BAlDOMIR will get when floyd meets with him why becasue baldomir is slow has a great chin but he will be overwhelmd with speed acurracy , agility, and impecable defense, all the attributes that baldomir lacks. THE fight will win the confidence of PBF Fans and crediblity for a welterweight performance, but not me i know boxing and I know Baldomir is not at the same level opposition as margarito. Im not saying he's better , it's just margarito to me would give a better fight , and again dont come at me with who he's fought cause WHO HAS PBF Fought AT THE PEAK OF THEIR CAREER AT WELTER. NO CREDIBLITy for BOTH FIghtS they should meet at 147 and settle it A TRU CHAMP CLEARS ANY DOUBT IN ANY FANS MIND ABOUT THEIR Ability to beaT an opponent, and when that happens I"ll be ringside , cheering my boy TONY
It seems to me that el terrible is hung up on PBF which i dont blame but what your doing is overshadowing pbF'S carrer before welterweight. He is the best at what he does I give him that , but he is not the best in the welterweight division. It has been smart decisicions which have been keeping him from harms way decisions like fighting a carrer descending gatti, a mitchell whos time has been way past due. It's fights like these "NAME FIGHTERS" which gets credibility from fans like you terrible. AND before you come at me with who has margarito fought , i will then now You do not know what your talking about ? why you might ask because BOTH FIGHTERS TONY M AND PBF have not fought anybody credible in the division to consider them the best . The diffrenece between Margarito and Mayweather is that AMargarito is prize fighter and mayweather is business man. It's been business decisions like avoiding an 8 million deal and possible margarito loss which will keep froma may 5 fight with goldenboy . That's why he is ducking him maybe 07 will be margaritos year once mayweather finishes this ridicoulous crusade. Ive seen posts from others like jai_mari078 and many more who are open minded and who know what they are talking about who get their point across without cussing . So grow up , get in the gym , sparr a little get in the game before you talk about it like you know it
Taking this Fight I respect margarito , not taking it i STILL RESPECT HIM WHY YOU ASK. Credibility taking this fight is not a factor Why/, because fact of the matter is everyone is taking in consideration who both these fighters have fought. The truth is both have not fought so called "NAME FIGHTERS". Margarito personally i know is the better fighter taking this fight will not give him credibility because he is green , it might be being a hypccrite, but Mayweather is the root cause of this whole fiasco. Fact of the matter is this fight would not give margarito enough incentive to take it , just as much for mayweather to take a margarito fight and lose , and not have a chance for a may5th bought with golden boy. This would be a business decision which i respect , because that is the same thing mayweather is doing to him so why not do it too. THE BOXING GAME IS A SHADY GAME, no one is gonna give you a belt you have to go out there and grab it. PAUl WILLIAMS needs more experience, more training on his footwoork , speed , acurracy , and overall boxing skills. Throwing a 100 punches a round will obviously give you a KO as an end result , but thats gonna leave you open to get cracked, he just has not got cracked in the face with real welterweight power, once that happens , the paul williams train will finally come to a stop. Ona side note XCARET knows what he is talking about when it comes to a MARQUEZ/MANNYP part two if it ever happens MARQUEZ WOULD WIN THAT FIGHT FACT OF THE MATTER I"VE BEEN TO ONE OF THEIR TRAINING CAMPS I KNOW AND BELIEVE JMARQUEZ WOULD BEAT MANNYP, BARRERA AND MORALES, I WILL BACK THAT UP WITH MONEY WITH ANY BRAVE FANS OUT THERE