BlackRevolver

Yes he had a good chin. But the fact that Joshua is fighting that level of opponent when he holds a strap is embarrassing. The man couldn't run 100m in 20 seconds he's so slow and his technique, as I say, is worse than most amateurs with a few fights. This is why fans have little respect for boxing in general and boxers as champions, as Joshua will fight these bums and I hear Parker and Price are being discussed as potential opponents. However. David Haye is ignored because he apparently doesn't "deserve the money". This is why boxing is a joke, as its all about money! Haye may be nearing the end of his career, but as he now promotes himself and is stuck between a rock a hard place, its being made difficult for him to get back to fighting leading HW fighters. But no one on here, no one who has any interest in boxing, can tell me David Haye doesn't deserve to face Joshua, when we are watching Joshua face these bums, fighters that are prettified of Joshua and his power. We have "boxers" that can't move their head, can't punch, close their eyes and swing wild punches, while their man tits shake. Its ridiculous.

To be honest, you're not even a true boxing fan if you're not a fan of Anthony Joshua. There is simply no good reason to not appreciate what this guy has done and still is doing is. In only 16 fights, he: 1 - Is undefeated. 2 - Won every fight by KO. 3 - Was the only boxer ever to stop Kevin Johnson. Vitali couldn't do that. 4 - Beat 3 undefeated opponents in a row. 5 - Won a belt. In 16 fights, Joshua has seemed flawless and all arguments against him seem to be desperate. He got youth, speed, skills, massive size and extreme power. We don't even know about his stamina yet because his opponents can't survive many rounds against him. Joshua is a nice guy, he talks well and he should make all the Povetkins and Stivernes of boxing feel ashamed for not at least trying to remove the body fat. The best thing? Joshua will soon have knocked out 4 undefeated opponents in a row (Breazale), which will bring him to 17(17)-0 and he will then destroy either Wilder or Fury. People are still gonna hate on him after that, but this guy is just what boxing needs. Explosive potential. This guy is the future. Joshua is great for British boxing and HW boxing in general. He's a genuine nice guy, think Frank Bruno and look back at how popular Bruno was, and thats because the British people fall in love with such characters, personalities. Joshua also deserves great respect for his training, dedication and genuine passion for boxing, rather then simply being here for money fights. However, we both know that if Joshua faces Haye within the next 12 months, Haye will land with a hayemaker, this is no smack talking or trolling, its being realistic that Haye will land, he will connect and once Haye connects then its fight over, even if he doesn't finish him instantly, Haye is like a pit bull and wouldn't allow Joshua to recover, unlike the DIllian Whyte fight. So yes, I'm a fan of Joshua and hope he continues to improve, but there are certain fights he loses and we all know how destructive a defeat can be to a fighters confidence and we don't know how Joshua would react to a defeat, especially if he's knocked out.

I was going to compare Khans current reputation with that of David Haye, as both fighters are being questioned, yet it does appear Khan is more disliked then Haye with Khan basically being viewed as a complete joke who very few fans respect. Harsh? I would say so, but Amir looks lost, bouncing from weight class to weight class, calling out mayweather, avoiding Brook, and Khan IMO is flaky, for all the neat footwork, nimble movement, the guy is soft. But to answer the OP's question, Khan should return to the UK, face Brook and win in style, that is what Khan should aim for, a big all British fight, at a time when boxing over here, is on a high.

I'm not a Wilder fan by any means, but he's faced quite a few Top 30 HWs. The question is matching him up against some legit top10 comp. Its embarrassing for boxing, HW boxing, that we have a champion (wilder) holding the most prestigious belt in boxing and some are praising the guy for facing top 30 HW fighters, top 30! At the very minimum, a real credible champion should be facing all top 5 HW fighters and if they aren't available then top 10. Joshua won his belt facing Martin, who would be lucky to make top 30, i'm not sure if he's even worthy of professional status. Shannon Briggs would have been a tougher opponent for Joshua then Martin.

The reason its in such poor state, is because of money and control. Fighters come out with lines such as "he doesn't deserve a payday" or "if the money is right". In all other sports, be that Football (sawkur), Tennis, MMA. I could go on, we see the best face the best. Boxing is one of the few (possibly only sport) where sportsmen can go years without facing certain fighters. Avoiding such fighters. Name any other sport where this happens? and thats a genuine question as I think its only boxing where this happens.

Fury and Haye had a fight going with each other. The real deal, promotions and everything and Haye pulls out at the very end relishing in Fury's lost expenses in training. I don't blame Fury at all for telling Haye to f*ck off because he back then was the clear underdog and Haye just screwed him over in a gutless way. I am absolutely convinced it became a reuse from the very beginning to just see how bad they can screw over this loud mouthed Tyson Fury. As for guys ducking him, I think it's completely because Haye is flaky on pulling out of fights. He also is what we have to believe is a big name to have on your resume as a win, but then again he is a massive excuse maker. The way I see it, Haye is like Gamboa right now. They have ability, but their own ego out ways their own monetary worth. Haye may have the best resume but the same goes for James Toney. He has to prove it to land a big fight. Which isn't a hard task for him. If he could walk in and KO Pulev for instance...boom he's probably got himself in an excellent place to challenge Wilder, Fury, or Joshua. But fighting a couple no hopers in a build up to get ready for Briggs is pathetic Haye does have a personality which rubs people up the wrong way. I can agree on that, as while I enjoy his "smack talk", he does wind up fighters/fans and I guess this gives them reason to tell him to **** off! This is why I hope Joshua is being honest (I believe he is) when he says him, Fury and Haye all need to face each other, it has to happen. If it doesn't then its a missed opportunity. Add Wilder into the mix (who I don't rate) but he is a champion and wouldn't it be great to see Joshua, Fury, Haye & WIlder all face each other over the next 2 years. But of course it won''t happen!

Yea it seriously is a sad state of where Heavyweight division is now a days. Nobody wants to raise the bar because it means taking an unnecessary risk. Haye, even having one of the better resume's, has never been taken seriously with his embarrassing loss to Wlad cementing that. He has amazing ability but he is spineless and doesn't have the heart/passion to truly rise to Wlad's level. To do that he'd have to center his focus on career defining wins that would make his enemies respect him. But instead he just is feeding on his mediocre nostalgic path to landing a fight w/ Wlad, where people thought he might be something special. But no, he has shown his true colors time and time again. Fighting Brigg's honestly just makes it worst, but it's David Haye, how could you pass up free money against a no hoper? No mention of the fighters avoiding Haye? Haye can't force the leading HW fighters to face him. This is why we are currently seeing the "loud mouths" call out Haye, as they know Haye will respond and fighters like Briggs get a payday, while Haye continues to rebuild. That said, with me being fan of Haye, next year has to be the year that he fights for a HW title, and I think we all know its going to happen. I'm looking forward to seeing Haye becoming champion of the world and showing why certain fighters have been avoiding him.

If you back anyone nowadays you're most likely backing a drug cheat. According to a poster called WTF huck on a boxing forum? OK. From my experience of working in sport, any individual that is (clean) but is better/stronger/faster then the rest, will have to deal with rumours, being labelled dirty or "he must be on something". That just says more about the people spreading the rumours, as while there will of course be cheats out there (that haven't been caught) there are talented individuals who don't have to cheat.

This is one fight i'm looking forward to watching, as I haven't jumped on the GGG bandwagon.however I'm looking forward to seeing him face an exciting young confident fighter. Is GGG the biggest flat track bully of his generation? Times running out for the guy to face elite fighters. Looking at his resume you can argue he's beating guys he should beat but yet to face one fighter that is of his level (or higher). 34 years old and yet to face any top fighters? another reason why boxing is in a sorry state.

And you're statement tells me everything about you. Drug testing today is weak. If the fighters were doing 24/7 year round testing for all substances then I would have more agreement with you about the punishment. Right now, the majority of PED use is occurring outside of the testing periods, guys are making their gains and cycling off then testing clean. As for people who get caught under the current system, whether they intentionally took something or accidentally (many current legal products are loaded with illegal ingredients so that the consumer sees a benefit and keeps buying it), those who get caught need to pay a price. Suspension, fines, loss ranking, ect. But they deserve a chance to come back clean & legit after they pay those prices. Repeat offenders like Tarver should be banned for life and be subject to criminal charges. But you're suggesting once somebody commits a crime they should be locked up for life? I'll disagree, they should have a chance to come back clean and live under tighter scrutiny. Depends on the crime, as I'm happy for a man caught stealing a happy meal from Macdonalds to have a second chance, but if a man rapes a woman in Macdonalds then no second chance. My issue with drug cheats (in sport) is the damage it does to the reputation, the message we send out to young sportsmen that its ok to cheat once, if you get caught you can comeback, but if you manage to avoid being caught then you're on the verge of greatness. I'm not being naive regarding drug use in sport, I know what's going on and I know there will be individuals out there that have developed a system that means they avoid detection. However as soon as any fighter, any athlete is talented, has big pecs, or hits harder then the rest, fans say "he must be dirty". If we allow dirty fighters to remain in the sport, it means we're happy for drug cheats to be here, which sends out the wrong message.

Ortiz's dominate stoppage over Jennings is better than anything Johsua has done and as good as Wilder's win over Stieverne. If he's such hype, Wilder could've chose to fight Ortiz instead of Arreola, same with Joshua choosing to fight Breazele. They both could've taken a fight with Ortiz. Are these rumours of a failed drug test true? as I wouldn't want my fighter going up agaisnt someone that failed a drugs test. Hopefully the rumours aren't true, as if fans are now backing drug cheats, thats a sad day for boxing.

I am a science grad who happen to have knowledge on human anatomy, I aint no doctor for sure, so pardon me if my explanation/terms come across as student like & not a pro.. But I still back my claim that an athlete who is past his genetic prime(30 yrs) simply cannot gain 20-30lbs of muscle mass with no fat in matter of 2-3 months. bulking up & maintaining the muscle mass is a gradual process & in most cases needs the right supplements & diet.. Gaining 30lbs needs right supplements & that's what I am calling out as a red flag that these supplements are enhancing your body grow so fast.. You know where I am going with this.. if you are training 6-8 hrs a day & doing cardio, set this routine up for 6 days a week, your body doesn't get the right time to gain the muscle mass, its only logical.. Also, your appetite is driven by your body need & the more your burn, the more you consume.. I know people who are gym rats & are athletically built like Wilder is but aren't able to gain that mass weight just by their protein/carb diet.. The point was you can't go by photos, as unless you're measuring body fat percentage, saying "he still looks chiselled" doesn't mean you can be confident he hasn't made changes naturally. I'm sure you do know people that are gym rats, we all know gym rats! "my mate down the gym" but gyms rats aren't comparable to professional athletes, who have access to professional trainers, professional coaches, professional nutritionists and so on. Wilder weighed in at 228lbs in January (15th), what was his weigh in for the recent postponed fight? without checking and added weight within 3 and half months? I don't see any reason to use that to suggest he must clearly be using peds. Not that i'm saying for definite either way, just often all people go by, is how someone looks in a photo.

If he's clean now, then he's not cheating is he? That tells me everything about you a person, and your standards. If someone is caught cheating, it should be a ban for life.

I can agree with most of that. Seeing professional athletes get busted for PEDs is bad enough, but then to realize it's happening all the way down to the grade school level where no testing exists at all is depressing and frustrating. I agree we need serious punishments to stop this, but life-time bans on 1st time offenders doesn't seem right. The fighter needs to have serious financial penalties based on the circumstances, but also the people around them need to share the blame. Trainers, S&C coaches, promoters, and managers should all take a hit so that they have an incentive to keep their guys clean moving forward. I just can't agree with the instant removal of guys who are currently getting busted for the first time. We need to first address the problem with current testing standards, then need to address the problem with current system of punishment for getting caught. Some guys get caught and still are allowed to fight. That happened with both Tarver and Ferando Vargas. In Vargas' case, there's an argument that it was circumstantial based on that drugs prevalence in the cattle. Whether that's true or a convenient alibi we'll never know. But I couldn't ban him for life over it. Lamont Peterson got caught seriously jacking up his T-level, but he's come back a clean fighter for which I'm grateful. Eastcoast, You make some fair points. However I'm not convinced by athletes using certain excuses, as surely drug testing has been designed to catch someone who is a cheat and the levels in your body can't reach a certain point unless you have intentionally put illegal drugs in your system? I take a cynical approach on this, as everyone has an excuse when they are caught and depending on how good you are at lying, you can make it seem like you're the victim. The poster above has suggested Ortiz was caught twice? if true then I can't see how anyone can defend him. He may have talent, natural talent, a skillful boxer, so you could argue he has wasted that talent if we're only hearing about him at an age when most boxers are considering retirement.

If anyone ever criticises David Haye, just point them to this thread, if you ever want to see proof that some boxing fans (and a certain poster) have double standards. But well done Ortiz for showing slickness against a man ready for retirement, and did I hear something about a failed drugs test? or was that just a rumour?

I had a same opinion on other threads.. Wilder a natural 215-220 pound guy put on 20-30lbs for Povetkin fight & all in just 2-3 months time.. Serious red flag there if you aren't hitting Burger/Pastry joints all those time & still look chiseled with no baggage of those additional weights.. You can't judge by photos, as unless you're with a boxer in his camp, you won't see the development of his body, the changes in his physique and his training methods. Its too simplistic to judge someone by a before and after photo, or say "he put on this much muscle in such months, but no fat". Not all individuals put on muscle and burn fat at the same rate, thats scientifically proven, which is why you often have the boxer with a beer belly calling out boxers for using peds, as they can't understand why a certain individual is building muscle (or losing fat) quicker then he is. I've seen first hand of whats possible by training naturally with individuals that can take months off training and maintain a certain condition, yet another guy will take months off training and lose a greater amount of muscle, so what would your reaction be? the guy that still looked in great shape must be a roider.

You don't know what your talking about ...Haye will will be hurt if Joshua lands on him....he's been stopped by a cruiser weight Carl Thompson and your saying Joshua will not hurt Haye...get a grip ffs You mean the fight where Haye punched himself out? That was early in his career, Haye was all over Thompson, the fight was nearly stopped, with Haye unleashing a barrage of power punches. Basically Haye punched himself out and Thompson took advantage. That defeat actually improved Haye as a fighter, and since then how many big shots has any fighter landed on Haye? He rarely gets hit.

You do realise the reputation of the Mirror? Next you will be quoting the Sunday sport lol

You can only be respected if you defeat top level opponents as otherwise all GGG is doing, is defeating inferior opposition in style. How many top level fighters has he defeated? Fighters that will go down in history as leading fighters of their generation?

So now your arguing over a month lol...Jesus wept ....I don't care when Joshua fights Haye ...if it's July, August or September ..I will still take Joshua to knock Haye out ..end of discussion You will back Joshua to knock out Haye? Ok Steve, thanks for clearing that up, but that isn't going to happen. Hopefully the fight takes place October, as Hayes birthday is on the 13th, so the dates will work out nicely if Joshua takes the Parker fight on January 9th.

Earn your points and prove to me you know boxing before you make stupid comments again other wise you won't get a reply lol... Bloody hell Steve, last time I'm trusting your maths as it would be October(at the latest) not September, you clown lol

i guess floyd is to say because he didn't do it but you want to give him special fantasy credit for some reason Fantasy? its all a "fantasy". Many on here can't get over the fact Mayweather was unbeaten and never faced Pac (in his prime), but if you look at Mayweathers style, he reads his opponents (better then anyone) he's calm and elusive, when you master that style it makes it extremely difficult for your opponents to implement their game plan.

I'm not knocking him. His opposition is far better overall than Wilder's especially when Wilder was at the same number of fights. If you go by boxrec Wilder has only fought one guy rated in the top 10 and that was when he won his world title. All of the guys Wilder defended his title against were ranked lower than the guy Joshua KOed yesterday. Being fair to Wilder he was ready to fight the high ranked Russian and it's not his fault the Russian tested positive for peds. Joshua is fighting Parker, a top 10 world rated heavyweight next. Parker is ranked much higher than Wilder's next opponent. After Wilder and Joshua both KO their next opponents they will fight each other in the USA. Then we will see which one of these two exciting KO artists is the best. My money is on Joshua to win that fight. Have you seen the list of Parkers opponents? They mostly look like security guards boxing on their days off. His boxing style is hilarious, random wild punches. The Joshua camp are being clever with their choice of opponents to help build his fanbase and take advantage of him being young and exciting, as they know if Joshua is put in the ring with certain fighters, he will be exposed.

Can't stand Fury and his fans are even more annoying, but I don't believe this for a second.

Steve, you can't reply with one of your cheeky comments now, can you mate? "you don't know what you're talking about". Taxi for Steve plunger..

Excuse me lol...who said it may not take place next year ? Now I The IBF has already said that Joshua must face Parker by Jan 9th and use your pea brain of yours and count the months after that....it's September of next year at the earliest if it's Haye and there's a distinct possibility that Joshua could already have faced klitchcko by the summer of next year....start using your brain ffs...as the argument about Haye .joshau is not gonna be worried about facing Haye next year anyway , David Haye just needs to beat a decent fighter first because he's fought absolute cans .mark de mori ffs...we all saw Haye round for ha life from klitchcko and then blame it on his little pinky....GTFOH gumbo Steve, you realise when I said "sometime next year" it means sometime next year lol and no I don't believe the Wlad fight will happen before September, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Wlad walks away from boxing after the Fury fight. But don't worry Steve, when the Joshua v Haye fight happens we can have a big wager.

Floyd was unbeaten for a reason, not just because of choosing opponents at the right time, but his boxing style and while I believe the fights would have been more even, you have to respect Floyd for his style and fight IQ, so who's to say Floyd wouldn't have stepped up his game and been even better if he faced fighters in their prime? I'm not a great fan of Mayweather and he IMO epitomises everything thats wrong with boxing, but the guy mastered a style and that you have to respect.

Because of the circumstances inherent in and peculiar to the promotion of major Heavyweight Championship Contests, the Heavyweight Champion shall defend his Championship within one (1) year after acquisition by him in a sanctioned contest scheduled for twelve (12) rounds against the leading available contender designated by the Championships Chairman. After compliance with his mandatory defense obligation, throughout the remaining term of a Heavyweight Champion’s reign, he shall be obligated to mandatorily defend his Championship within intervals of no more than nine (9) months against the leading available contender in the Heavyweight Division as designated by the Championships Chairman Taken from the offical IBF rules/guidelnes. Once Joshua defends his belt against Parker (which I expect to happen) according to the rules taken from IBF, he will have to face the next mandatory challenger within 9 months, which means Haye V Joshua will be happening sometime next year. And the reason Joshua is being forced to fight Parker by January is because of the following: Should the Champion lose his title in an optional defense against an opponent other than the leading available contender, the new Champion shall be required to make his mandatory title defense against the leading available contender, as designated by the Championships Chairman, within a period of nine (9) months after the acquisition. All credit to the IBF, as they stick to their rules and if someone wins the IBF HW title (when not a mandatory challenger), they have to face a mandatory challenger within a 9 month period, not a year.

Now u need to get ur facts right...firstly Parker is the mandatory so it's gonna be that fight first, secondly once that is taken care another mandatory is not due for another year....by that time if klitchcko is still fighting then that fight probably would have happened...stop talking **** plus I don't think Joshua will be to worried about taking on Haye next year...one shot and Haye will be done....u can keep hoping for a shock with Joshua but he will keep knocking them over..wait and see Calm down Steve. We know Parker is the mandatory. Haye is set to be the next mandatory for the IBF belt, that is why IBF bumped him up the rankings as its just a matter of time before Haye fights in a title eliminator, surely even you understand that mate? One shot at Haye? yeah good one. Haye and Joshua will both land big shots but neither will result in a KO, but I expect once Haye hurts Joshua, Haye will use his speed/combinations to end the fight, while Haye is excellent at recovering when in danger and also Haye rarely gets hit, he's excellent at reading his opponent.

A story breaks that Fury is apparently under investigation, an allegation he (and his team deny), all you're seeing from other UK based websites are them reporting "Fury and his team deny allegation" Remember, these websites will report any rumour/story that may attract visitors to their sites, thats how they make their money. I'm waiting for one of our friends across the pond to quote the highly trusted daily mail online lol