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Fury will test Wilder's patience and discipline. Most fans who haven't watched many Wilder fights will think of him as a guy who just comes in and wings wild hooks and straight right hands. I'm not saying the guy is a supreme technical boxer, but he throws nice combos and varies his punches enough in the clinch to both score and wear any man down. Stiverne I and Duhappas fights exemplify that. As Haye indicated, even a fit Fury is not guaranteed win over Wilder. His power and fitness is unmatched. He wins the war of attrition against Fury or Joshua.

I'll be shocked if this happens, but happy. Big gamble for Fury this early in his comeback. If he's back to where he was, or close, he can beat Wilder. Wilder can be fairly easily outboxed as we've seen with Arthur Spiltzka and King Kong but his equaliser makes him dangerous as hell throughout. Was Szpilka hitting Wilder with anything notable? Do you remember any of the 63 punches he landed in 8 plus rounds? I ask because maybe Szpilka wasn't out boxing Wilder (which would indicate he was landing more or better punches), but was merely doing a good job of making Wilder miss the big shots he was trying to throw.

15 Million IS 30% of 50 Million U.K which is more then Wilder would make paying out 50 Million flat to Joshua in the U.S had Joshua agreed . If Wilder actually wanted the fight he simply agrees to the AGREED terms and signs ...... He didnt do that bc he WANTS more money and you'll still tell posters it has nothing to do with money ? lol Then why not just offer 30% and be on with it?

we live in a world where bankers walk away with trillions in bailout for the economic disaster they caused in the first place. that's the official ruling. is the ruling fair or logical? objective evidence with critical thinking analysis. Floyd was found with an illegal needle in his arm. FACT. Floyd broke protocol in the USADA. Fact. USADA instead of punishing floyd for breaking the rules gave him something new called RETROACTIVE EXemptioN. They made up an exception for him after 21 days. the only other time they gave out that exemption was to another obvious roider, Cyborg. tell me critically, how that makes any sense. HE INNOCENT CUS THE MAN SAID SO? Here is a summary of what I read above. Again...the discussion was about objective critical thinking. That means taking all facts in to account in your conclusion.

we live in a world where bankers walk away with trillions in bailout for the economic disaster they caused in the first place. that's the official ruling. is the ruling fair or logical? objective evidence with critical thinking analysis. Floyd was found with an illegal needle in his arm. FACT. Floyd broke protocol in the USADA. Fact. USADA instead of punishing floyd for breaking the rules gave him something new called RETROACTIVE EXemptioN. They made up an exception for him after 21 days. the only other time they gave out that exemption was to another obvious roider, Cyborg. tell me critically, how that makes any sense. HE INNOCENT CUS THE MAN SAID SO? Here is a summary of what I read above. Again...the discussion was about objective critical thinking. That means taking all facts in to account in your conclusion.

nah objective people will care because it looks guilty af. of course coming from the same org that gave the same TUE to someone like cyborg. money talks. why TUE 21 days later? give me a critical thinking breakdown. you can't. Without all the facts, what is your critical thinking breakdown? Just curious. "Looks guilty" and "is guilty" are two different things. You feign objectivity, yet have ASSUMED that someone or everyone at the USADA were paid to facilitate this IV. Here's the common sense part of critical thinking for me. If you have a medical emergency/immediate need for an IV, you're not going to get a TUE approved before you take the IV. Logic says that you'll have to formally and retroactively request the TUE at a point in time after taking the IV.

Let us all understand...Hearn will mention every other heavyweight that wins a fight or even Usyk to try and pressure Wilder into signing that flat fee deal. Make no mistake, while they fear Wilder will beat Joshua, they do believe Joshua can and will win. However, in the case that Joshua does lose, both he and Hearn want to make up for any future loss in revenue due to a loss. Essentially they believe UK fans are fickle and won't support AJ as much after seeing him get flattened by Wilder (should that happen).

Only way Fast Eddie offers Wilder $7-8M for a Brooklyn fight vs. Whyte is if Wilder agrees to that $15M flat fee vs. Joshua. So don't get your hopes up. Exactly what I was thinking. The AJ fans will scream that that's 22M for two fights! Way more than he gets normally. True statement...but would that mean leaving 10M on the table. That's not an easy call to make.

exactky and for 8mil I think he did say he would fight Whyte if AJ was guaranteed to be next. In this case, would Hearn require the fight be on DAZN and that Wilder accept the flat fee for Joshua in order for this deal to be made?

You don't think that was because stivernne and Duhappas are lower tier boxers?I think he will need to be a lot better to land on AJ. I think that being able to land a shot and knowing how to throw one are two different things. As far as being able to land on AJ, I think his reach advantage and ability to quickly flick the jab will give Wilder plenty of opportunity to land. AJ isn't that elusive, and certainly is there to be hit. Unless AJ starts using head moving like Washington, Szpilka, Fury, he is going to get hit, and often.

Is it me or are the only people who argue that Wilder didn't want the fight are Joshua fans or Matchroom affiliated?

Not the short right hand Wilder normally puts guys out with, that is a nasty punch that he always catches guys with because they think all the stuff is from far away and wide then bang they are getting wheeled out of the arena and into an ambulance. Joshua is easy to hit and his best punch is an uppercut, so if that is the exchange Wilder has a pretty clear advantage because a short straight right hand is way faster to the mark than an uppercut, unless Wilder misses the right. Now if Joshua can land the uppercut Wilder would be in obvious trouble but, that is a really risky punch for Joshua to throw because of the above. Go back and watch the punches Wilder actually hurts people with and you will understand it is not the wild punches that hurt guys even if the fight ends with them, they get hurt before that and if they survive then Wilder goes ham on them but a lot of times the fights end there. Wilder sets it up pretty good too because he manages to catch the guys that were trying to be really tricky or careful generally. If Joshua just thinks of Wilder as a wild man he already lost the fight probably. That's the way I see it. I dont know if these guys aren't watching the fights or they just find it convenient to call Wilder wild and looping.

It became a moot point when Deontay demanded $7 mil for the White fight. Meaning, it's an emphatic NO. (Talk about saying Wilder bending over backwards.) So you care so much about Wilder's financial welfare. The 4 titles that are on the line meant little, I see. And that's how I, a real fan, differ from you and your co Wilder defenders. I wouldn't give a crap if Wilder (assuming he wins) offers 5% as A-side in the rematch. Not one bit. I even doubt Hearn and AJ would act like thugs in the rematch negotiations. I apologize for attempting to engage in a grown up discussion. It appears that it is too much for direct sensible responses. I simply asked you about two things that wod lead to fans getting to see the fight they want to see. It wasn't a confrontation nor was it an attempt to prove a point of some sort. I have zero desire to argue online. Good day.

Theres different levels. Youve got the thousands that talk boxing everyday, the hundreds of thousands that watch Sky/BT Sports, then youve got the millions that only watch Joshua fights and think hes the best fighter in the world. There aint gunna be any pressure til you impact those millions That would take a co-main event. Not sure if either side would be amenable to that. Definitely would spark interest. Maybe we can get Wilder Fury, that would definitely bring in the UK fans. If Fury can beat Wilder it sets things up nicely, if Wilder wins then UK fans know who Wilder is and will pressure both sides to make the fight.

I agree they are. IMO Wilder throws poor shots and lacks the boxing IQ and skill to set them up. I just have never been impressed with him. He has size and power. He is a novice boxer that sometimes looks like he has no clue how to box. Watching him fight is not a pleasing experience outside of the hard shots he throws. ALl that said, I agree he can catch AJ because he hasn't shown to be that elusive. I will be pulling for Wilder to win but I just don't see it. So you're more of a pure boxer fan?

out of all the bull**** i read regarding this fight and the ignorance shown, nothing is more ridiculous than the narrative that its joshua whos got the weak chin and wilders is proven. wilders delicate around the whiskers, was very close to being stopped last fight and weve seen him wobbled in the past against fighters like molina. not saying joshuas got the best chin but im telling you if joshua lands flush on wilder (which he will) hes gonna do the alabama shuffle. its not a boxer vs puncher, its a puncher who can also box versus a puncher The puncher who can box doesn't always win those fights. Especially when the puncher who can box has stamina issues and the puncher doesn't. If Joshua can't land flush through round 3, he will be in a world of hurt. It takes a lot of energy and concentration to avoid Wilder power shots.

I agree. Wilder doesn't have the skill or IQ to set up shots like wlad did on AJ. He also punches very wide which should give AJ the chance to land the jab before he lands. If Wilder can tighten up the shots, especially throwing the uppercut like a boxer and not a wild schoolgirl, then he'd give himself a great chance to win. Have you seen the Stiverne I or Duhaupas fight? I thought he put his punches together well in both of those fights. He's not as "wild" or "wide" when he's not searching for a KO.

That's the thing. Yet he and his fans showed nothing but arrogance throughout the entire negotiations as if he had lots of options. Should not be hard to negotiate a fight you claim you desperately want ESPECIALLY when the other side STARTS initiating talks. "Fight Dyllan White first for $4 mil and you'll get AJ." That's a huge opening right there where Wilder could have employed diplomatic skills and charisma. He had none of that. Instead, he kept spewing out profanities and invectives like thugs do. "Okay, we're offering you $12.5 million for a shot at 4 titles." Another opening that should have sealed the fight and delivered right in front of his doorstep. How many B sides would refuse $12.5 million for a chance to become the undisputed king in the division? Many would have accepted less than $1 million. Not this guy. Same guy who was treated like a baby and told not to rush fighting shot Klitschko. Meaning, he doesn't even deserve anything close to that amount. Kills me. Do you think Wilder would have taken the Whyte fight had Hearn guaranteed that Whyte was next? Recall the only response Hearn gave was "that's not how it works". Do you think the fight gets made for April if Hearn offers a percentage split?

AJ's elusiveness is underated, if u watch the rest of the round with wlad from when joshua got knocked down. great survival movement, people saying wlad didnt go for the kill but i disagree, i think he couldnt land, he went for the left hook multiple times after the knockdown but joshua read it. Those were some of the worst looping hooks ever thrown by a fighter the caliber of Klitschko. It didn't take much elusiveness to get away from them. Plus they were thrown one shot at a time, with no set up punch. Also, Klitschko was 41.

Am going to first say am tired with this whole saga, it does make for interesting reading doe, having said that I still believe Wilder was dumb to reject the 4m dollars that was offered to him for Whyte. Personally if he had won by KO in the U.K., I think his profile would have made more money and force the Joshua fight even more in terms of getting a good payday. He would have been known to the U.K. audiences, but all in all hope it happens in April. I somewhat wanted that to happen as well. However that decision comes with massive risk (corrupt decision for Whyte). Seemingly it was a risk he didn't have to take as Wilder and Joshua were clearly the top two heavies. Tbh in most cases the pressure comes from a fighters fan base to fight the other top guy. It just seems like (at least from the threads), that a lot of UK fans rather argue that Wilder doesn't want the fight or talk about the money he doesn't make rather than actually see Joshua fight him (not you).

It’s just you mate. Am neither of those and I don’t think both camps wanted it now. My mind would never chance in regards to both teams hyping this fight to generate more money. That was an easy fight to make but somehow they either want to create more hype or they are both retarded and somehow messed it up. I certainly wouldn't put you in that category. As you state, you believe both want the fight, just not now and want to build it.

All the UK fans kept on saying when Wilder/Whyte was being discussed was how it would put pressure on Hearn to make the fight, would have got him a much better deal than $15mil aswell. Wilder/Ortiz didnt really register. Yeah, it was a great name on his resume. Vast majority of Joshua fans didnt even know it happened though. How is it that they claim that Wilder isn't known in the UK. The pub since March alone should have at least garnered a YouTube search or three. Also wouldn't it have served Hearn and Joshua well to get that Whyte fight with Wilder set up to make the Joshua Wilder fight bigger. Seemed like minimal effort from Hearn. Especially when Wilder requested the guarantee that Joshua was next.

so you think freedom of speech should be thrown out the window? cuz thats all khabib was crying about... "he talk bad about my religion, my country... You cant talk about other religions/countries like that blah blah blah" maybe where he came from... hes not used to the freedom USA provides Freedom of speech doesn't come with freedom of consequences. In the good ole USA, you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you aren't going to get held accountable for what you say. Khabib was intent on handing out what they call street justice.

If you watch other angles of video that was shot, they held Conor back from jumping into the melee. I can only imagine what would've happened. Dana White and UFC let Conor say crazy stuff and did nothing. That's pretty much what Khabib said in his post fight interview. And like the azz that White is, he shifted all culpability to Khabib, almost to say, it doesn't matter how disrespectful I allow your opponent to be in order to sell tickets, you need to show restraint. In a way he's right, but its a double standard to allow classless talk from McGregor because it sells tickets but turn his nose up because Khabib responded with how most would respond. Major props for Khabib being smart enough to retaliate AFTER he'd fought and won.

he should have never brought that up. it was annoying when he kept referring to the mcgregor bus incident, it was like he was trying to not own up to his mistake. he should let the fans bring that up instead. khabib should have just acknowledge that what he did was wrong and leave it at that. no need to keep bringing up what conor did and why nothing happen to him. when he does this, it seems like he's not really sorry for what he did. Why should he be? Why should he fake care. He basically said, keep the same energy you had when Conor threw the hand truck threw the bus window and ran around the arena acting like a lunatic. Then it was Conor being Conor.

you must have your country confused.... he in the USA you cant take the law into your own hands.... nice try tho freedom of speech still stands and will always stand here in USA You can take anything you want to in your own hands. Just like saying whatever you want, doing whatever you want has consequences as well. Tell you what Mr. Freedom of speech, why don't you go to a black neighborhood and start using the n word. It's your right!

I have been observing your crack head. you write and quote yourself at the same time. Do you hang out with Fury to sip some crack? How is it that you are capable of spotting potential crack use? Former user? Dealer? Also, how do you sip crack? Asking for a friend.

Is it possible that Fury was never that good and has been overrated since his victory over WK. Maybe WK was ripe for the picking. Maybe it was just a styles clash and WK age and style was a perfect match for Fury in that moment. Was the victory PED aided? These are the questions that likely run through Fury head. It may explain why he is in such a rush to get back on top and fight Wilder.

Lol ... Shelley literally calls Beyonce a baby in the media whilst ripping him off as he does his other fighters. Presumably it'll be in the States to avoid testing and Vegas as its easier to cover up the dead hookers Wilder likes to throttle in his roid rages, Given that Hearn has not come out and said Joshua is not ready for Wilder (which Barry Hearn alluded to), I don't see why it is relevant that Finkel said they wanted a couple more fights before facing Klitschko. What does it mean for Wilder vs Joshua? Is it that some believe Joshua isnt quite seasoned enough to avoid Wilder windmills for 12 rounds?

Ive seen quite alot of hes fights, and was ringside for one when he beat up old Audley. Yes, i watched him struggle with old Ortiz. Yes, i know a fair bit about high blood pressure, the side effects of the medication to treat it, the fact that even with treatment it still reflects an aging, inflexible circulation system and a thickened, less efficient left ventricle. This means less cardio, obviously. The question is what young heavyweight has he fought that has beaten anyone before or since that could be considered top ten, say like Parker or Whyte would be. You weren't going to start talking about people like Washington were you? �� So what I heard is...you haven't watched most of his fights, but you have seen two for sure. You watched him struggle to knock ortiz down 3 or four times but nothing more to accurately describe his boxing style and tendencies. You have now abridged your statement to be young heavyweight in the top 10. Which there aren't many. But hey, that's the true measure right. Oh and back to the blood pressure thing. I'm glad you were able to obtain Ortiz medical record or speak to his doctor, otherwise we would be lost. Thank you. It's a wonder that the NSAC allowed him to fight with that aging left ventricle and inflexible circulation system.