Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: No Publicity Stunt, 100% The Plan is To Fight Wilder!

So what I heard is...you haven't watched most of his fights, but you have seen two for sure. You watched him struggle to knock ortiz down 3 or four times but nothing more to accurately describe his boxing style and tendencies. You have now abridged your statement to be young heavyweight in the top 10. Which there aren't many. But hey, that's the true measure right. Oh and back to the blood pressure thing. I'm glad you were able to obtain Ortiz medical record or speak to his doctor, otherwise we would be lost. Thank you. It's a wonder that the NSAC allowed him to fight with that aging left ventricle and inflexible circulation system. Ive watched him from ringside fight Audley. Ive seen most of hes other fights on tv, like you have. I watched him struggle with Molina, a guy he shouldve stopped in lets say, 3 rounds ect. Wilder still has it to prove. The fact is Ortiz was hes best win, and the only comparable to lets say, Whyte, Parker, Wlad ect. And he was suffering from an illness that limits your cardio. If you need medication for it, you have hypertension, not just blood pressure that fluctuates up and down abit. This is caused by structural changes in your arteries and stiffened and thickened left ventricle. That's simply what hypertension does, not great for a cardio sport is it? Lets see how Deontay does with Fury, and see if there was a good reason he was talking about a drop to cruiserweight.

I actually think AJ wants the fight. I think it's everyone around him that doesn't. They all have said as much. My thing is AJ has been listening to these people for a long time, and look at the position they've currently put him in. If Barry, Eddie, McCracken all tell him to delay the fight, AJ's going to do it. Now it's up for debate how much AJ actually wants the fight, and many are going to say he's hiding behind his promoter, A-side, home town, but I think he does want the fight. Im pretty damn sure Hearn doesn't want it, and AJ is most likely waiting for Hearns approval. Hearn will want the fight. He often talks about being driven by putting on the biggest possible events and Wilder Joshua is as big as it gets. Hearn clearly has a massive ego and I honestly don't see him being willing to be remembered as the guy who scuppered arguably the biggest fights of the decade. But, Barry Hearn (as you mention) has outwardly said "don't fight Wilder now, fight him in a couple of years at least" and if Hearn wants to maximise the profit of his asset (AJ) he's probably thinking "I can put AJ in against anyone with a vague chance of winning and the threat and discussion of a Wilder fight will add to the profitability." Eventually though, he's going to want that big money when profitability hits something close to its maximum. The problem is that Wilder clearly doesn't like being messed around and he could refuse to play ball when it comes to the negotiating table down the line. Worse than this, either of the two could lose (both have looked vulnerable, and we all saw what happened to Kovalev last week). I've said before that this fight will happen, but that it will probably be delayed. As real boxing fans who go out of their way to find and post on forums, people around here are obviously desperate to see the fight because we know the sport - and this is the big question in the sport right now (who's the real heavyweight King after such a long and dull reign by Klitschko). But Johnny Casual doesn't really know about this fight just yet and the crazy money will only be there when this fight filters into the mainstream consciousness.

Barry, Eddie, McCracken , are these guys also secretly calling Wilder and telling him not to sign the contract laying on Finkels desk or something bad may happen , perhaps an accident ? :lol1: If protecting Joshua was and is the plan ,i got to tell you they didn't do such a good job so far ! :burnout: That's pretty funny, because AJ didn't sign that contract either, now did he. Get out of here with your bias ass. You're on every board that even mentions AJ, and you don't have a single non-bias, concise, fact based post. Nothing but a AJ fanager troll.

So what I heard is...you haven't watched most of his fights, but you have seen two for sure. You watched him struggle to knock ortiz down 3 or four times but nothing more to accurately describe his boxing style and tendencies. You have now abridged your statement to be young heavyweight in the top 10. Which there aren't many. But hey, that's the true measure right. Oh and back to the blood pressure thing. I'm glad you were able to obtain Ortiz medical record or speak to his doctor, otherwise we would be lost. Thank you. It's a wonder that the NSAC allowed him to fight with that aging left ventricle and inflexible circulation system.Lmmfao..!!! Hahahahahahahaha lol

I largely agree. I think Hearn and AJ didn't want the fight right away. If we're being charitable it's probably because: a) The Wilder fight can be worth a lot more money in time b) AJ can afford to fight weaker opposition for another fight or two and get the same money whilst the Wilder fight builds but, I tend to agree with you generally. But, as I've said, I still don't think that meeting Barry Hearn is a worthwhile reason to cancel a meeting which was requested by the guy who's actually making the deal himself (Eddie Hearn). It's just not the same thing. If Hearn requests a meeting, he clearly has something to tell you that's worth hearing or new, you can't say "well we met your dad two weeks ago, so no, we don't want to hear what you have to say" So my point is, Hearn and AJ bad... Wilder's team bad. My view has always been and still is that both parties realise that the fight will be worth a lot more to both parties in 2019 or possibly even later, but neither wants to lose face in public so they blame the other side. I actually think AJ wants the fight. I think it's everyone around him that doesn't. They all have said as much. My thing is AJ has been listening to these people for a long time, and look at the position they've currently put him in. If Barry, Eddie, McCracken all tell him to delay the fight, AJ's going to do it. Now it's up for debate how much AJ actually wants the fight, and many are going to say he's hiding behind his promoter, A-side, home town, but I think he does want the fight. Im pretty damn sure Hearn doesn't want it, and AJ is most likely waiting for Hearns approval.

Ive seen quite alot of hes fights, and was ringside for one when he beat up old Audley. Yes, i watched him struggle with old Ortiz. Yes, i know a fair bit about high blood pressure, the side effects of the medication to treat it, the fact that even with treatment it still reflects an aging, inflexible circulation system and a thickened, less efficient left ventricle. This means less cardio, obviously. The question is what young heavyweight has he fought that has beaten anyone before or since that could be considered top ten, say like Parker or Whyte would be. You weren't going to start talking about people like Washington were you? �� So what I heard is...you haven't watched most of his fights, but you have seen two for sure. You watched him struggle to knock ortiz down 3 or four times but nothing more to accurately describe his boxing style and tendencies. You have now abridged your statement to be young heavyweight in the top 10. Which there aren't many. But hey, that's the true measure right. Oh and back to the blood pressure thing. I'm glad you were able to obtain Ortiz medical record or speak to his doctor, otherwise we would be lost. Thank you. It's a wonder that the NSAC allowed him to fight with that aging left ventricle and inflexible circulation system.

Barry Hearn met with Finkle on behalf of Eddie Hearn. So that being the case, yes they were representing AJ. The first time Hearn met with Wilders team, Hearn said it was to discuss a fight against AJ however, Hearn never offered AJ and tried to get Wilder to fight Whyte, which he continues to do today. Don't misunderstand my stance, I don't care who acted like what, what I care is there was a legit deal on the table that was asked for, negotiated for 22 days, 70% chance of signing, then turned down, with a lame excuse. AJ/Hearn didn't want the fight right now it is what it is. It's what Barry Hearn advised AJ to do, it's what they ultimately decided to do. Only one side didn't want the fight right now, it's a simple thing to see. I largely agree. I think Hearn and AJ didn't want the fight right away. If we're being charitable it's probably because: a) The Wilder fight can be worth a lot more money in time b) AJ can afford to fight weaker opposition for another fight or two and get the same money whilst the Wilder fight builds but, I tend to agree with you generally. But, as I've said, I still don't think that meeting Barry Hearn is a worthwhile reason to cancel a meeting which was requested by the guy who's actually making the deal himself (Eddie Hearn). It's just not the same thing. If Hearn requests a meeting, he clearly has something to tell you that's worth hearing or new, you can't say "well we met your dad two weeks ago, so no, we don't want to hear what you have to say" So my point is, Hearn and AJ bad... Wilder's team bad. My view has always been and still is that both parties realise that the fight will be worth a lot more to both parties in 2019 or possibly even later, but neither wants to lose face in public so they blame the other side.

Is Wilders stamina really that good? Or is it just because he stays at range with a very low early rounds output. Ive got a feeling hes going to wait like Wlad for that special opening, that will probably never come. It's fair to say that his early round output is low, and also that opponents can't really press the action on him because a) They are concerned about Wilder's power b) Wilder's reach advantage is generally such that he can afford to stay on the outside But I've never seen him look gassed and he definitely carries his power late into fights. Obviously Wilder's human, so he doesn't have an endless tank, but I think it's fair to say that his stamina appears to be very good.

Ahhh the best interviews! He and Larry Merchant going back and forth in the late 90's/early 2000's used to be my favorites! Who stole it from James Toney....who also was first to say "you play football, basketball, baseball...you don't play boxing."

Questions based on your last two posts... How many Wilder fights have you seen? Did you see the end of the 7th round through the beginning of the 8th for yourself or are you just going off what you read? Does Ortiz have high blood pressure or is he taking meds to not have high blood pressure? Who is the youngest heavyweight Wilder has fought and what's that guys mothers name? Ive seen quite alot of hes fights, and was ringside for one when he beat up old Audley. Yes, i watched him struggle with old Ortiz. Yes, i know a fair bit about high blood pressure, the side effects of the medication to treat it, the fact that even with treatment it still reflects an aging, inflexible circulation system and a thickened, less efficient left ventricle. This means less cardio, obviously. The question is what young heavyweight has he fought that has beaten anyone before or since that could be considered top ten, say like Parker or Whyte would be. You weren't going to start talking about people like Washington were you? ��

I have tissue for you, lollllllllll your hate cannot stop the star boy of HW. The face of HW boxing.

You and your BS is irrelevant... So you can shut de fcck up. Lemme move on to better things. I have tissue for you, lollllllllll

Stole that from Briggs Who stole it from James Toney....who also was first to say "you play football, basketball, baseball...you don't play boxing."

You already said you were present, shut up and let the other doofbags come forward You and your BS is irrelevant... So you can shut de fcck up. Lemme move on to better things.

Stole that from Briggs

How is it that you are capable of spotting potential crack use? Former user? Dealer? Also, how do you sip crack? Asking for a friend. now you gotta ask your partner in crack how he does it.

Google 50 million AJ Wilder Dan Rafeal from ESPN posted about this numerous times. Just because you want to put your head in the sand and ignore it doesnt mean it doesn't exist. When you get the correct version of the story, then we can talk.

I think it's a PR stunt too. Hope I'm wrong but they've been telling us for 2 weeks they are on the verge of a deal. My gut tells me 2 weeks from now they will still be saying they are on the verge of a deal. I hope they prove me wrong.

This fight is going to outdo that trash fight in September by far, the 2 best heavyweights collide, you’ll have a boring body building robot fighting a midget juiced up cruserweight, enjoy your great fight AJuice fans, while Eddie the scam artist keeps taking you fools like a sukker and running to bank, hahahahahah

I still say it's a publicity stunt and he won't fight Wilder next. Joshua is the real cash cow and who both Wilder and Fury want to face for a big payday. Notice they are both still trash talking Joshua, even whilst they are supposedly on the cusp of finalizing a deal to fight each other. Notice that Fury is now saying the Wilder deal will be finalized after the Pianeta fight. Fury stands to gain from this charade because he get's to sell more PPV buys for the Pianeta fight, people will want to see him square up to Wilder at the end of the fight. He also get's to drum up interest in a potential fight with Joshua and wind up Eddie Hearn. He's letting people know that he's still around and keeping his name in the headlines. Wilder stands to gain from it temporarily from a reputational point of view, making a "deal" with the the lineal champion so quickly and making Joshua's team look bad, he's trying to force their hand to come back to the negotiating table. After the Pianeta fight negotiations over the proposed Fury vs Wilder fight will fizzle out and come to nothing...at least for now. I think it's more likely that Fury fights Chisora again next and Wilder fights Breazeale.