If AJ hadn't been knocked down by Wlad or rocked by Whyte, would Hearn be more in a hurry to get the fight with Wilder made? I think so....probably, not sure. AJ does have a weak chin...no?
So you're more of a pure boxer fan?
I value skill over pure power because often the boxers that can't set up and land their 1 hitta quitta often can't win fights, especially when they get in with top tier opponents.
out of all the bull**** i read regarding this fight and the ignorance shown, nothing is more ridiculous than the narrative that its joshua whos got the weak chin and wilders is proven. wilders delicate around the whiskers, was very close to being stopped last fight and weve seen him wobbled in the past against fighters like molina. not saying joshuas got the best chin but im telling you if joshua lands flush on wilder (which he will) hes gonna do the alabama shuffle. its not a boxer vs puncher, its a puncher who can also box versus a puncher
The puncher who can box doesn't always win those fights. Especially when the puncher who can box has stamina issues and the puncher doesn't. If Joshua can't land flush through round 3, he will be in a world of hurt. It takes a lot of energy and concentration to avoid Wilder power shots.
Not the short right hand Wilder normally puts guys out with, that is a nasty punch that he always catches guys with because they think all the stuff is from far away and wide then bang they are getting wheeled out of the arena and into an ambulance.
Joshua is easy to hit and his best punch is an uppercut, so if that is the exchange Wilder has a pretty clear advantage because a short straight right hand is way faster to the mark than an uppercut, unless Wilder misses the right. Now if Joshua can land the uppercut Wilder would be in obvious trouble but, that is a really risky punch for Joshua to throw because of the above.
Go back and watch the punches Wilder actually hurts people with and you will understand it is not the wild punches that hurt guys even if the fight ends with them, they get hurt before that and if they survive then Wilder goes ham on them but a lot of times the fights end there. Wilder sets it up pretty good too because he manages to catch the guys that were trying to be really tricky or careful generally. If Joshua just thinks of Wilder as a wild man he already lost the fight probably.
That's the way I see it. I dont know if these guys aren't watching the fights or they just find it convenient to call Wilder wild and looping.
I agree they are. IMO Wilder throws poor shots and lacks the boxing IQ and skill to set them up. I just have never been impressed with him. He has size and power. He is a novice boxer that sometimes looks like he has no clue how to box.
Watching him fight is not a pleasing experience outside of the hard shots he throws. ALl that said, I agree he can catch AJ because he hasn't shown to be that elusive.
I will be pulling for Wilder to win but I just don't see it.
So you're more of a pure boxer fan?
Don't know about Joshua's chin against the right windmill, but Jennifer will be exposed by her lack of boxing basics... Bad stance, bad foot work, bad defense... I don't give her much chances beside the usual lucky out of nowhere right hand to equalize things... Easy meal for Joshua if he just "boxes" the usual way, which Jennifer can't do by lack of skill set ...
Not the short right hand Wilder normally puts guys out with, that is a nasty punch that he always catches guys with because they think all the stuff is from far away and wide then bang they are getting wheeled out of the arena and into an ambulance.
Joshua is easy to hit and his best punch is an uppercut, so if that is the exchange Wilder has a pretty clear advantage because a short straight right hand is way faster to the mark than an uppercut, unless Wilder misses the right. Now if Joshua can land the uppercut Wilder would be in obvious trouble but, that is a really risky punch for Joshua to throw because of the above.
Go back and watch the punches Wilder actually hurts people with and you will understand it is not the wild punches that hurt guys even if the fight ends with them, they get hurt before that and if they survive then Wilder goes ham on them but a lot of times the fights end there. Wilder sets it up pretty good too because he manages to catch the guys that were trying to be really tricky or careful generally. If Joshua just thinks of Wilder as a wild man he already lost the fight probably.
Nah that guy is a hater. I agree but why only question ajs chin. Wilder seems pretty chinny to me too
If he was serious then my bad. THEre is no reason for that level of supreme hatred. But you’re right. If you question AJ then you must question wilder. It both their chins seem decent to me. Both have heart and decent recover time.
Wilder was still answering shots and still in it. In other words, you'd legitimize a robbery. So typically British lol... Weakness personified.
Except I didn’t say I’d agree with it. It’s a real thing. You watch boxing, all the bit ching and hissy fitting doesn’t change that — had that been AJ in the UK, the ref likely stops it and Wilder most def doesnt get that little break later either. Wilder threw like 4-5 desperation paws in about 45 second of him being worked. We’ve seen stoppages for a lot less whether we agree or not.
Also, I’m not British (if that’s what you meant). On a roll today it seems. Relax, Deontay Jr.
Pretty sure he’s being sarcastic
I don’t think it’s a matter of having susuoect chins. It’s more that these are HWs and the human chin can take only take so much. Do they have granite super human chins? No, but not many do. But they definitely aren’t a couple Seth Mitchell’s and David prices
Nah that guy is a hater. I agree but why only question ajs chin. Wilder seems pretty chinny to me too
Joshua won't attempt to see if it could withstand Wilder's power. He is no fool. If the two were to ever meet, expect AJ to avoid as many exchanges as possible and fight at a very slow pace; Similar to that of the Joseph Parker fight. He knows that he cannot match Deontay Wilder's firepower because a firefight is a fight he cannot win.
AJ's elusiveness is underated, if u watch the rest of the round with wlad from when joshua got knocked down. great survival movement, people saying wlad didnt go for the kill but i disagree, i think he couldnt land, he went for the left hook multiple times after the knockdown but joshua read it.
Those were some of the worst looping hooks ever thrown by a fighter the caliber of Klitschko. It didn't take much elusiveness to get away from them. Plus they were thrown one shot at a time, with no set up punch. Also, Klitschko was 41.
Wilder gets stopped in the UK in that Ortiz fight. Ref would call it.
Wilder was still answering shots and still in it. In other words, you'd legitimize a robbery. So typically British lol... Weakness personified.
Bigger question is can Wilder land? He's struggled to land with a lot worse opposition.
Lol, as if Joshua with his stiff upper body, non existent head movement, $h1tty reflexes and slow as mollasses feet was hard to hit.... You focks are either delusional or don't know what the fock you're looking at...
If Wilder was able to land on an superior defensive fighter like Ortiz, Joshua is toast.
The British diva got almost KO'ed by old inactive washed up feather fisted bum Klitschko. Wilder was only rocked a bit by hall of famers and knockout artists Sconiers and Nichols.
You didn't answer the question
Ortiz had success hitting Wilder whilst Wilder was attempting to be mobile with him and Joshua is a hell of a lot faster than Ortiz. Pretty much every opponent Wilder has faced has had some success landing punches on him lol.
Beyond that Wilder tends to be open for the counter when he's throwing and Joshua is quite an adept counter puncher. I'm not suggesting that that is what is going to happen... Wilder could just as easily land a crisp power shot on Joshua early and knock him out, but to try and claim that Joshua doesn't have the attributes to do the same right back to Wilder is just not true.
It's a 50/50 fight if ever I saw one, which is why Hearn has been doing his best to make the negotiations as painful as possible...
People forget to mention that both Ortiz and Szpilka were southpaws. An orthodox fighter will always have trouble with southpaws early on until he adjust to them. Both have the ability to win b KO, but I feel that Wilder is the harder puncher. Wilder has one punch KO and if he lands one of those bombs on AJ, its lights out. AS for AJ, his KOs come from a accumulation of punches where the ref steps in. If AJ lands and hurts Wilder, he's going to have to jump on him and get him out of there and not blow his wad.
AJ doesn't have the greatest defense and Wilder, for all his crudity and supposed lack of skill, has never failed to land his powershots against ANY grade of opponent.
Joshua will have to find a way to take that power or negate it in some way.
If he doesn't, he will lose.
And before you say the opposite is just as true, remember that Deontay is very mobile- just as much or more so than Parker.
The difference is, Wilder will have the reach and length to still inflict punishment while mobile, not just fight to survive as Joseph did.
Wilder gets stopped in the UK in that Ortiz fight. Ref would call it.
Joshua is the more polished fighter by far in terms of punch delivery and movement. Ortiz is the only one of “class” and a younger man doesnt gas in that scenario and finishes without needing the ref.
But, Wilder IS unusually accurate at times. He’s got the ability to be mobile and use his lengthy jab but despite that, he won’t outbox a top guy with skills, evidenced by the ortiz fight.
He’s quicker than given credit for but at the same time, very wide with the right hand. The consensus is that if Wilder wins it’s only by KO.
Still, in an exchange, AJ gets the best of it despite Wilder technically being faster. This is just due to his straighter, crisper punches.
Wilder is a bigger puncher though. As big a puncher as Wlad at least so he’s got Freight train right hand. But at HW, it doesnt matter if it’s a train from Wilder or a bus from AJ.
My brain tells me Wilder is outmatched in the skill department...but my heart and gut is saying Wilder for some reason. I think he’s kind of a wildcard and can somehow make it happen. He’s skilled within his own chaotic means.
I favor AJ of course..logically...but I dunno. It teeters for me at times. I think I might put money on Wilder depending on the odds .
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AJ doesn't have the greatest defense and Wilder, for all his crudity and supposed lack of skill, has never failed to land his powershots against ANY grade of opponent.
Joshua will have to find a way to take that power or negate it in some way.
If he doesn't, he will lose.
And before you say the opposite is just as true, remember that Deontay is very mobile- just as much or more so than Parker.
The difference is, Wilder will have the reach and length to still inflict punishment while mobile, not just fight to survive as Joseph did.
Ortiz had success hitting Wilder whilst Wilder was attempting to be mobile with him and Joshua is a hell of a lot faster than Ortiz. Pretty much every opponent Wilder has faced has had some success landing punches on him lol.
Beyond that Wilder tends to be open for the counter when he's throwing and Joshua is quite an adept counter puncher. I'm not suggesting that that is what is going to happen... Wilder could just as easily land a crisp power shot on Joshua early and knock him out, but to try and claim that Joshua doesn't have the attributes to do the same right back to Wilder is just not true.
It's a 50/50 fight if ever I saw one, which is why Hearn has been doing his best to make the negotiations as painful as possible...