Lyoto Machida: karate and the difference between MMA and Boxing strikes.

[billeau2]

Reverse punching is a gimmick for hitting someone and discouraging them to step off ……..karate itself in the ART isn’t meant for attacking from a distance with a referee saying let’s go …the art is for used for immediately striking and disabling someone any point any means means necessary …so ? There’s not many good instructors let alone tough enough ppl to bring the arts to reality that’s just real talk some of the worst fighters come from dojos teaching nonsense.

The fact is no one can just take up martial arts of any kind and be Billy Bad Ass ..it doesn’t work that way . Like other fighting styles you got to have that something inside you to exceed at THAT art it’s you not the art . It’s not infer but it’s the directly are in ,no referee for instill pull you off a guy while your gouging his eyes or low kicking him etc..etc….

When you fight I. The cage you NEED grappling skills that’s not debatable,but whoever knows what is either first or secondary and sometime third …..it’s up to the individual. A misconception is an art makes the fighter …the fighter makes the art they are in control the art itcant make you a fighter automatically. Lol


For me it boils down to the instructor and what is reached mentally and physically. There’s not many good ones around so hopefully you get lucky bc the old school guys in Martial arts are shrinking, nothing is going to be the same but hopefully you can retain what’s out there .

Exactly! Lets use common sense: If I know I am going into a situation where the conditions encourage grappling, and where my competitors practice grappling, it would be foolish not to adapt my situation accordingly... regardless of the art. And yes karate has a built in strategy of not attacking from a distance, it is a fundamental part of the art. In Okinawan Te most of the actual techniques involve grappling while hitting. Lol, used to drive me nuts! I was taught to grab the Gi when throwing a reverse punch, to control the person... I would get disqualified every tourney but did not want to alter muscle memory.

Yes you and I both have had experience with others claiming to teach and teaching crap... It is very sad. The fighter always makes the art and the reason the art evolves is because of how those in combat have succesfully used it.

[billeau2]

I used to love Kimo. His fight with Bob Sapp was classic

Kimbo definitely a nightmare... the worse are the guys that are really wiry. They do not look like much, Diaz type build... But you start trying to work them and they have steel cables for muscles lol.

[billeau2]

billeau2 you want to address this clown and tell him who i am and or have trained under since your the oldest martial artist here ? Since I’ve gave you my contacts and you verified them . And he called me old ..wait …….Lol

Man Id bust your azz boy . Thunderstruck you ain’t gonna do anything here or. pM me still waiting ? All you do is talk tough but nothing which is smart you’d get hurt bad ..and I’m not like Bill I like hurting guys like you that’s a fact . Lol

Ok, I am not taking sides here...

I will confirm J's training. The kwan that J's teacher had, has connections to some of the people the group I trained with have connections to. There is a connection. The reputation is outstanding.

Now, can we all just get along?

And indeed "Bill does not like hurting others" is also a true statement. I had to learn how to fight very well and did so many years, because I enjoyed teaching, never was a fighter, never had the desire to fight in a ring.

[billeau2]

There are no single discipline fighters in MMA anymore and there haven't been for over a decade.

MMA is a four legged table and almost everybody trains in all four:
boxing
kickboxing (Muay Thai, K1, Sanda, Shootboxing, Lethwei, full contact karate, Dutch style, American style, Savate, etc)
body control wrestling (freestyle, folkstyle, Greco-Roman, Sumo, etc)
submission grappling (Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, luta livre, sambo, catch wrestling, etc)

Aikido is not often used because it's not trained in a live setting for the most part. People just do compliance drills and forms and slow motion technical breakdowns without ever trying out the moves on a resisting, countering, attacking opponent.

The bottom line is if you want to learn how to fight you have to pick a martial art with live training. That means fully resisting sparring partners.

Amen... And I might add, just sparring is not enough. You have to have good hard contact. What happens to a lot of people, watched it many times... they can spar well, but it all goes out the window when hit hard, they no longer want to fight.

[famicommander]

Amen... And I might add, just sparring is not enough. You have to have good hard contact. What happens to a lot of people, watched it many times... they can spar well, but it all goes out the window when hit hard, they no longer want to fight.

That is what I mean by fully resisting sparring partner.

It has to be a sport where they allow continuous movement and not just point fighting, and you have to practice against people that are trying their hardest to beat you within the ruleset of that sport.

Boxing, any flavor of full contact kickboxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, most flavors of wrestling. Those are the styles you want to learn if your goal is to win fights. Stuff like Karate or Taekwondo could go either way, it varies wildly from style to style, dojo to dojo, and country to country. Stuff like Taichi, Wushu, Aikido, Wing Chun, Capoeira, etc just aren't commonly trained in a way that is conducive to fighting. It doesn't mean that the techniques from those martial arts don't work, it just means that learning techniques and knowing how to apply them in a fight are two different things.

[Thunderstruck]

Who’s the the clown.He himself described himself as a street fighter.I wrestled briefly when I was still in school and I know about twenty other guys who did .Basic high school wrestling does not make you a martial artist.You jag idiot I’m still waiting for the first mma guy to be announced as a football martial artist.They may say he played football but football is not a fighting system.You my friend are an idiot to compare high school wrestling to martial artist who train full time for years to perfect their discipline.I never knew until talking to you I was a martial artist.

[famicommander]

Who’s the the clown.He himself described himself as a street fighter.I wrestled briefly when I was still in school and I know about twenty other guys who did .Basic high school wrestling does not make you a martial artist.You jag idiot I’m still waiting for the first mma guy to be announced as a football martial artist.They may say he played football but football is not a fighting system.You my friend are an idiot to compare high school wrestling to martial artist who train full time for years to perfect their discipline.I never knew until talking to you I was a martial artist.

He wasn't just any high school wrestler, he was a state champion. And no, football isn't a martial art. But playing college football indicates a high level of athletic ability, and athletic ability is a big component of fighting. So you have an elite athlete with a high level wrestling background. He may or may not have been getting into street fights or bar fights on top of that but that doesn't make him some common street fighter you clown.

[Rockin']

Wrestling will not help you any once you have fists and/or feet incoming for your head.................Rockin'

[juggernaut666]

Ok, I am not taking sides here...

I will confirm J's training. The kwan that J's teacher had, has connections to some of the people the group I trained with have connections to. There is a connection. The reputation is outstanding.

Now, can we all just get along?

And indeed "Bill does not like hurting others" is also a true statement. I had to learn how to fight very well and did so many years, because I enjoyed teaching, never was a fighter, never had the desire to fight in a ring.

I come from a different background grew up with the entire family being mostly fighters in fact I have pics of my uncle as far as when he was just 8 training with Jersey Walcott most those guys are deceased and died in prison , violence is a part of my life more ways then one and as crazy as they were I’d be worse if put in the 80”s then they were …..this isn’t about me though it’s about beta males coming at me trying to tell me what they would etc..etc…it’s all good anyone wants to fight just pm me if it’s real is don’t tell me your in Tennessee etc etc when you challenged me …these are the types we got on here .

Your asking me to get along with a forum that asks me to hurt them and likes making threads so they bring it on themselves it’s why I make certain ones so why chase these guys when I just made threads they come to ? The usual suspect always show up but expose themselves they just don’t get that .

So that’s most unlikely,my advise for you guys that know who you are ignore me otherwise PM me and we’ll go from there you want to involve yourself then do something thunderstruck1 ….this guy hasn’t said a word about meeting up if he did he would contact me punk azz .Mr Queens ..meet me in HELLS KITCHEN I’ll show you the real world and how we used to run that hood remember the words medical bills though I Certainly won’t be worried about that ….you will though trust me . lol

[Thunderstruck]

You are a complete idiot and have no concept of street fighting or mma.Being a good athlete does not mean you are a good fighter.Look at baseball players basketball and football players who are often described as supreme athletes and can’t even throw a punch.You just show ignorance.when it comes to street fighting.I know guys who smoke and drink like fiends but are bad ass street fighters it’s a mind set combined with adrenaline.Ive seen many jocks get their butts kicked.KIMO stated he was a enforcer for his loan shark father and thus the only fighting experience he had.He did not consider his high school wrestling exp a martial art fighting discipline or he would not of asked joe son what to write down.An enforcer is not wrestling people to the ground he’s busting their head.As before mentioned going to the ground without anybody watching your back is ripe to get your head kicked in.I informed my neighborthat his kid twice a state runner up in wrestling is an accomplished martial artist.Kimo was a street fighter plain and simple.I think you and jugs with his curls = fighting ability and your opinion of kimo as a refined polished martial artist should hang out just don’t let pretty boy know.