Lyoto Machida: karate and the difference between MMA and Boxing strikes.

[Thunderstruck]

Karate as a stand alone discipline I’m talking about .Agin your talking about hybrid fighters.Boxers / strikers vs guys throwing cowboy punches is two different things.Again we get into fighting techniques with words .If your by yourself even I know in a outnumbered situation going to the ground is suicidal.I can’t count how many times I’ve seen a group of pissed off guys being led out and one takes down one of the bouncers and when second bouncer jumps in he gets stomped by the rest.Rarely but it does happen does one guy by himself decides I’m going to fight the bouncers.Akido is is great vs the average guy just like karate but when you start going against a 6”3 230 pound strong ass bad ass things are different.My whole comment was about karate as a stand alone discipline.All these guys you guys named are hybrid fighters.Akido I don’t think has had any success in mma as a stand alone art.If it was so successful vs wrestling guys fighters would be cross trained in it.Guys I have ultimate respect for not just for how intense they train but also I got my ass kicked by one and he gave me a second helping when I went back for more is judo practitioners.

[Thunderstruck]

A perfect example of a basic 6”3 240 pound bad ass street fighter was kimo Leopoldo.Gracie was all the rage in early ufc beating all comers including 260 pound wrestler dan Severn.Gracie was 7-0 when he fought kimo in his professional debut.Gracie couldn’t do **** with kimo .Between kimo gassing and the fact Gracie wrapped his hand in kimos pony tail jerking his head around like a rag doll he went through hell with a basic bad ass street fighter.This would be the only tournament Gracie did not win because he was physically unable to continue after the fight and withdrew.Kimo was the son of a big time loan shark on the big island and he was his father’s enforcer /collector nothing more.Kimo said in an interview years later when he was trying to get into the ufc on his paperwork it asked him what art did he train in and his friend told him to put taekwando down.That was how he spelled and he said he had no idea how to spell it or what kind of fighting style it was.Just a basic street bad ass with no cardio.

[juggernaut666]

Lyoto Machida was renowned for introducing karate into the whole wash of MMA techniques. What if Karate holds a clue as to how strikers could be more effective in MMA? It has become apparent that striking in the MMA does not present well when compared to boxing. There are usually a few stock reasons for this: Takedowns, the effect of a different guard, etc... What about karate?

Karate punches work with a different premise entirely. You square up and punch with the hips, using various degrees of rotation on the punch, depending on the style. Being squared up allows a fighter to avoid take downs, the punches allow one to incorporate body movements and set up quickly for kicks.

Many people believe Karate is an inferior art because of MMA, when in fact, it has more to do with training... Machida kind of proves this because he trained a lot in karate, typical of a professional and was able to use it successfully as part of his arsenal.

Thoughts? is it time to train reverse punches on the bags?

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Reverse punching is a gimmick for hitting someone and discouraging them to step off ……..karate itself in the ART isn’t meant for attacking from a distance with a referee saying let’s go …the art is for used for immediately striking and disabling someone any point any means means necessary …so ? There’s not many good instructors let alone tough enough ppl to bring the arts to reality that’s just real talk some of the worst fighters come from dojos teaching nonsense.

The fact is no one can just take up martial arts of any kind and be Billy Bad Ass ..it doesn’t work that way . Like other fighting styles you got to have that something inside you to exceed at THAT art it’s you not the art . It’s not infer but it’s the directly are in ,no referee for instill pull you off a guy while your gouging his eyes or low kicking him etc..etc….

When you fight I. The cage you NEED grappling skills that’s not debatable,but whoever knows what is either first or secondary and sometime third …..it’s up to the individual. A misconception is an art makes the fighter …the fighter makes the art they are in control the art itcant make you a fighter automatically. Lol


For me it boils down to the instructor and what is reached mentally and physically. There’s not many good ones around so hopefully you get lucky bc the old school guys in Martial arts are shrinking, nothing is going to be the same but hopefully you can retain what’s out there .

[juggernaut666]

A perfect example of a basic 6”3 240 pound bad ass street fighter was kimo Leopoldo.Gracie was all the rage in early ufc beating all comers including 260 pound wrestler dan Severn.Gracie was 7-0 when he fought kimo in his professional debut.Gracie couldn’t do **** with kimo .Between kimo gassing and the fact Gracie wrapped his hand in kimos pony tail jerking his head around like a rag doll he went through hell with a basic bad ass street fighter.This would be the only tournament Gracie did not win because he was physically unable to continue after the fight and withdrew.Kimo was the son of a big time loan shark on the big island and he was his father’s enforcer /collector nothing more.Kimo said in an interview years later when he was trying to get into the ufc on his paperwork it asked him what art did he train in and his friend told him to put taekwando down.That was how he spelled and he said he had no idea how to spell it or what kind of fighting style it was.Just a basic street bad ass with no cardio.

That’s because your a beta male ….you can’t fathom winning against a guy of size . Lol hey tell me who can beat me up now ? You won’t don’t do it …..yourself.

[OctoberRed]

A perfect example of a basic 6”3 240 pound bad ass street fighter was kimo Leopoldo.Gracie was all the rage in early ufc beating all comers including 260 pound wrestler dan Severn.Gracie was 7-0 when he fought kimo in his professional debut.Gracie couldn’t do **** with kimo .Between kimo gassing and the fact Gracie wrapped his hand in kimos pony tail jerking his head around like a rag doll he went through hell with a basic bad ass street fighter.This would be the only tournament Gracie did not win because he was physically unable to continue after the fight and withdrew.Kimo was the son of a big time loan shark on the big island and he was his father’s enforcer /collector nothing more.Kimo said in an interview years later when he was trying to get into the ufc on his paperwork it asked him what art did he train in and his friend told him to put taekwando down.That was how he spelled and he said he had no idea how to spell it or what kind of fighting style it was.Just a basic street bad ass with no cardio.

I used to love Kimo. His fight with Bob Sapp was classic

[juggernaut666]

I used to love Kimo. His fight with Bob Sapp was classic

I saw the original UFC contract from UFC 1 . Not many ppl could say that , and it was crazy no insurance and you had to actually win one fight to get 5K and the entire thing to get anything ….I saw it a few years ago like 2015 my friend and often sparring partner was the world kick boxing champion and he declined because of the stipulations…was better then the Savate champion that fought Royce in the finals of UFC 1 . A fact is also they offered Dennis Alexio the best in the world at kick boxing also but he declined same reasons .

[Thunderstruck]

He fu/c.k face jagged sack your the one who went crickets when I was trying to find out how close you were to hunters point queens.Your a jag a pretender.I don’t even no why I respond to your old ass full of shat I’m a tough guy bs.Your a fraud.

[juggernaut666]

He fu/c.k face jagged sack your the one who went crickets when I was trying to find out how close you were to hunters point queens.Your a jag a pretender.I don’t even no why I respond to your old ass full of shat I’m a tough guy bs.Your a fraud.

billeau2 you want to address this clown and tell him who i am and or have trained under since your the oldest martial artist here ? Since I’ve gave you my contacts and you verified them . And he called me old ..wait …….Lol

Man Id bust your azz boy . Thunderstruck you ain’t gonna do anything here or. pM me still waiting ? All you do is talk tough but nothing which is smart you’d get hurt bad ..and I’m not like Bill I like hurting guys like you that’s a fact . Lol

[Thunderstruck]

You know I was out in queens and you ignored it.Done dealing with you.

[Thunderstruck]

But i would still like to hear one more time maybe Larry too about how tough you are.