Lyoto Machida: karate and the difference between MMA and Boxing strikes.

[juggernaut666]

But i would still like to hear one more time maybe Larry too about how tough you are.

Nah man you ain’t going to do nothing I’ll even pay you 500 bucks if you meet me as long as we take a walk just me and you no cameras etc…you wouldn’t do it on your life . Lol I’m getting something out of it and that 500 pays for maybe some medical bills…you are the fraud and pm me and we’ll make plans ? You won’t dare do it …. That’s why you haven’t . Stop acting tough if you aren’t that guy which you aren’t . Smh

[Thunderstruck]

Again I say you know I was in queens and you ignored it.

[juggernaut666]

Again I say you know I was in queens and you ignored it.

Well I’m in upstate so I haven’t a clue what you are on about ? I’ll come to queens is that what you want is that the problem? Yes or no ? It’s a simple question. Your gonna get hurt my friend better be careful how you answer Now ? An invite doesn’t charge me with assault.

[Thunderstruck]

No more games you knew when I was in queens.How about you let me know when you land at midway airport and I’ll come and pick you up.

[Omegamanic]

Lyoto Machida was renowned for introducing karate into the whole wash of MMA techniques. What if Karate holds a clue as to how strikers could be more effective in MMA? It has become apparent that striking in the MMA does not present well when compared to boxing. There are usually a few stock reasons for this: Takedowns, the effect of a different guard, etc... What about karate?

Karate punches work with a different premise entirely. You square up and punch with the hips, using various degrees of rotation on the punch, depending on the style. Being squared up allows a fighter to avoid take downs, the punches allow one to incorporate body movements and set up quickly for kicks.

Many people believe Karate is an inferior art because of MMA, when in fact, it has more to do with training... Machida kind of proves this because he trained a lot in karate, typical of a professional and was able to use it successfully as part of his arsenal.
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Thoughts? is it time to train reverse punches on the bags?

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es, exploring the principles of karate in MMA striking techniques could offer valuable insights. Karate's squared-up stance and hip-driven punches could potentially provide better defense against takedowns and facilitate quick transitions to kicks. While some may view karate as less effective in MMA due to training approaches, fighters like Lyoto Machida have shown that effective karate training, when integrated strategically, can indeed be successful in MMA. Incorporating reverse punches into training could be a beneficial experiment, as long as it aligns with a comprehensive training regimen. Ultimately, the effectiveness of such adaptations would depend on the fighter's ability to implement and integrate these techniques seamlessly within the dynamic context of MMA.

[Stuntman Mike]

Well I’m in upstate so I haven’t a clue what you are on about ? I’ll come to queens is that what you want is that the problem? Yes or no ? It’s a simple question. Your gonna get hurt my friend better be careful how you answer Now ? An invite doesn’t charge me with assault.

So I open a thread and this is the first post that loads

Jugger you need to stop challenging people to fights on this and get down a local gym if you want humbled that much because you're delusional

Bicep curls won't save you in a reflex based fight

[Rockin']

So I open a thread and this is the first post that loads

Jugger you need to stop challenging people to fights on this and get down a local gym if you want humbled that much because you're delusional

Bicep curls won't save you in a reflex based fight

When you get stunned you resort back to your training in your stunned condition in your scrambled brain.

He could be the first guy laid out that starts doing curls while he is being counted out.

He is entertaining though with his delusional belief that curls will help him in a fist fight.

Doing heavy curls will shorten your reach.

Good post Stuntman! .................Rockin'

[famicommander]

Karate as a stand alone discipline I’m talking about .Agin your talking about hybrid fighters.Boxers / strikers vs guys throwing cowboy punches is two different things.Again we get into fighting techniques with words .If your by yourself even I know in a outnumbered situation going to the ground is suicidal.I can’t count how many times I’ve seen a group of pissed off guys being led out and one takes down one of the bouncers and when second bouncer jumps in he gets stomped by the rest.Rarely but it does happen does one guy by himself decides I’m going to fight the bouncers.Akido is is great vs the average guy just like karate but when you start going against a 6”3 230 pound strong ass bad ass things are different.My whole comment was about karate as a stand alone discipline.All these guys you guys named are hybrid fighters.Akido I don’t think has had any success in mma as a stand alone art.If it was so successful vs wrestling guys fighters would be cross trained in it.Guys I have ultimate respect for not just for how intense they train but also I got my ass kicked by one and he gave me a second helping when I went back for more is judo practitioners.

There are no single discipline fighters in MMA anymore and there haven't been for over a decade.

MMA is a four legged table and almost everybody trains in all four:
boxing
kickboxing (Muay Thai, K1, Sanda, Shootboxing, Lethwei, full contact karate, Dutch style, American style, Savate, etc)
body control wrestling (freestyle, folkstyle, Greco-Roman, Sumo, etc)
submission grappling (Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, luta livre, sambo, catch wrestling, etc)

Aikido is not often used because it's not trained in a live setting for the most part. People just do compliance drills and forms and slow motion technical breakdowns without ever trying out the moves on a resisting, countering, attacking opponent.

The bottom line is if you want to learn how to fight you have to pick a martial art with live training. That means fully resisting sparring partners.

[billeau2]

Karate as a stand alone discipline I’m talking about .Agin your talking about hybrid fighters.Boxers / strikers vs guys throwing cowboy punches is two different things.Again we get into fighting techniques with words .If your by yourself even I know in a outnumbered situation going to the ground is suicidal.I can’t count how many times I’ve seen a group of pissed off guys being led out and one takes down one of the bouncers and when second bouncer jumps in he gets stomped by the rest.Rarely but it does happen does one guy by himself decides I’m going to fight the bouncers.Akido is is great vs the average guy just like karate but when you start going against a 6”3 230 pound strong ass bad ass things are different.My whole comment was about karate as a stand alone discipline.All these guys you guys named are hybrid fighters.Akido I don’t think has had any success in mma as a stand alone art.If it was so successful vs wrestling guys fighters would be cross trained in it.Guys I have ultimate respect for not just for how intense they train but also I got my ass kicked by one and he gave me a second helping when I went back for more is judo practitioners.

I hear you but no one I know ever fights exactly as any one discipline dictates. I like your point about what you observed because it actually potentially addresses a serious misconception that many TEACHERS have! much less students. I remember once in High school my friend and I were running, half a house had just been blown up where we were partying, long story lol... this guy was walking and gets scared, turns around and gets in "Zen Kibidachi" a formal Japanese Front Stance, where you basically have one hand down one hand chambered, front leg bent forward... It was hilarious that this guy thought this was how you fight with karate... Someone taught him that BTW... Many Shotokan people do not know you really do not fight that way with Karate. I know from training them. What one is supposed to do is use the positions to gain power and adapt the techniques to the situation at hand.

I was connected to many fighting clubs in Baltimore, all karate and the way it was used was highly dependent upon the club because, the training was to build the building, to create the right foundation, while the use of the building, whether it be a restaurant, an office, was an outgrowth of how the art was applied (pardon the very mixed metaphor)... For example, one of our rivals, a Moo Duk Kwan fighting club in East Baltimore, which is a form of Tae Kwon Do, only kicked low and had really fast hand techniques... A Shotokan school where I actually had to fight a senior teacher (I had done well against their top fighting guy lol) used all kinds of leg techniques, and fast chopping techniques... In my case? I deliberately went in full bore, telegraphing, giving the teacher a chance to "win" and he likewise was merciful and leg swept me... Order was reenstated lol.

Ju Jutsu it is similar... Samurai Ju Jutsu was used on battle fields where if a person went down with body armour they would not get up... You take this discipline and adapt it and you get arts like Judo, sports Ju Jitsu, etc. No fighting art is designed to just be used. a lot of the training is how to adapt the art to your uses. I agree with your observations BTW. I just think it is ignorance and not a reflection of the art.

[famicommander]

A perfect example of a basic 6”3 240 pound bad ass street fighter was kimo Leopoldo.Gracie was all the rage in early ufc beating all comers including 260 pound wrestler dan Severn.Gracie was 7-0 when he fought kimo in his professional debut.Gracie couldn’t do **** with kimo .Between kimo gassing and the fact Gracie wrapped his hand in kimos pony tail jerking his head around like a rag doll he went through hell with a basic bad ass street fighter.This would be the only tournament Gracie did not win because he was physically unable to continue after the fight and withdrew.Kimo was the son of a big time loan shark on the big island and he was his father’s enforcer /collector nothing more.Kimo said in an interview years later when he was trying to get into the ufc on his paperwork it asked him what art did he train in and his friend told him to put taekwando down.That was how he spelled and he said he had no idea how to spell it or what kind of fighting style it was.Just a basic street bad ass with no cardio.

Leopoldo was not a basic street fighter you clown. He was a state champion high school wrestler and college football player.